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Friday, January 25. 2013Friday morning linksHilarious climate science fail by the warmists at GRIST (and now CNN) Muslim Group Accuses Lego Of Raaaaacism Rotten to the Core: Obama's War on Academic Standards Europe’s Dream Becomes Its Nightmare - The EU and a less imperialistic U.S. are not proving to be a boon for Europe. Cameron: I don't want a country called Europe Cuomo: Governor government Walter Williams: Experts Aren’t Deities More Conservative Boehner Emerging as Speaker When it comes to end of life decisions, the state does not love you Student uses AR-15 to fend off armed home invaders Mead: Futuristic Blues:
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What's going on with your spam control? I was trying to confirm a post about wolves and keep getting some message in red. Not a good place for MF to go.
Once again Meade provides a brilliant insight into Liberalism.
This is not the liberalism of your grandfather, the one referenced with such reverence by todays whelps who have no other purpose than to be heard. Quite the opposite in fact. Where once liberals raged against "robber barons" now they lay down palm branches to welcome conquering "meritocrats". Shades of Elizabethan/Edwardian England (e.g. Downton Abbey). Just new names for the classes.
QUOTE: Walter Russell Mead: America will be increasingly polarized between a small group of high skilled creative professionals and a larger group scavenging a living by serving them: mowing their lawns, catering their parties and so on. That's not consistent with the drive in the U.S. towards widespread higher education. That seems a forward-looking policy intended to position the U.S. in the new economy. QUOTE: Anthony Watts: Hilarious climate science fail by the warmists at GRIST (and now CNN) Heh. Even the update is wrong. QUOTE: Philip Bump: This happens, you should remind the person, because the Earth doesn’t rotate straight up and down. The Earth’s axis is tilted. So for part of the year as the Earth rotates around the Sun, the Southern Hemisphere is farther from the Sun than the Northern Hemisphere. When that happens, we experience summer and they experience winter. Now, the opposite is true. That changes the average temperature. http://grist.org/news/how-to-respond-to-people-who-say-the-cold-weather-disproves-global-warming/ It's the angle of incidence and length of day, not the distance from the Sun that creates the seasonal cycle. QUOTE: Walter Williams: What’s not widely known is that Newton spent most of his waking hours on alchemy; his experiments included trying to turn lead into gold. The greatest scientific knowledge of chemistry of the day was Arabic, and was often imbued with elements of mysticism; and because of a culture of secrecy and greed, alchemists were often associated with swindles. Today we realize that chemically turning lead into gold isn't possible, but for someone of Newton's day, it was a reasonable possibility. There's nothing untoward about Newton's study of alchemy. QUOTE: Walter Williams: Experts Aren’t Deities ... Based on his knowledge of heat dissipation, Kelvin criticized geologists of his day and claimed that Earth was between 20 million and 100 million years old. In this case, Kelvin was speaking within his field of expertise. He calculated the age of the Earth based on the assumption it started as molten rock, then cooled to its present form. Darwin's Theory of Evolution predicted an old Earth. The geological Principle of Superposition suggested that the Earth was much older. That meant either the geologists and biologists were wrong somehow, or that physicists had made a false assumption. Turns out there was an undiscovered source of energy heating the Earth from the inside, radioactivity. It's common in science for anomalies like this to persist. Meanwhile, geologists, physicists, and biologists continued to make strides within their respective fields, often working together. That's why all scientific findings, no matter how well established, are considered tentative. Simplistic ideas of falsification don't work in the real world of science. On the other hand, some findings are "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." QUOTE: Walter Williams: The bottom line is that the fact that a person has academic degrees, honors and status is no reason for us to abandon our tools of critical thinking. Of course not. Then again, most laypeople don't tell the airline pilot how to fly the plane, or the brain surgeon how to perform brain surgery. While experts can be wrong, they are more likely right than non-experts. That's why an appeal to authority is often a valid argument. Evidence always trumps, though. We used to teach what appeal to authority is and didn't confuse "experts" with it. "Academic degrees, honors and status" should mean you can bring more fact that bear upon the case but these days that seems to have fallen into disuse as many attempt to rest on their very spindly laurels.
From a Freshman Rhetoric textbook (1919): QUOTE: The opinions of others may be interesting as showing the trend of public sentiment, but they add nothing to proof. There is one kind of argument that forms an exception to this rule--the so-called argument from authority. It has very small place in ordinary discussions. The argument from authority is the use of testimony from a witness of such eminence and unquestioned impartiality that his word carries conviction to all. There are few questions commonly argued in which this kind of evidence as to matters of opinion could be needed in the proof: for the point sought to be established would usually be a point admitted in advance, and not among the issues as all. Expert testimony of the ordinary sort offered in the courts is very far from being entitled to claim such authority. For every expert witness on one side another expert can usually be found on the opposite side; and this is true not only of lawsuits and criminal trials, but also of any ordinary question involving technical matters. Expert witnesses are good witnesses so long as they confine themselves to facts--provided they can be shown to be reasonably impartial; but when they begin to state opinions, such testimony proves nothing more than that the people who know the most about the subject disagree--which fact we knew already. Little attention need be given in most arguments to testimony as to opinions without facts on which the opinions are based. the sort of cases in which such evidence is valid is, for example, the opinion of a college president as to the meaning of a college rule; the appeal to scriptures for principles of right and wrong; the constitutional decisions of Chief Justice Marshall. These are not the kind of questions that are likely to be at issue in ordinary discussion. With this one exception, all evidence directed to the establishment of facts, not to the question of opinions. For support of our opinions, we use the facts proved by evidence as interpreted by what is called reasoning. expert witnesses in the legal business (at least out west) are called whores, since you can find someone to say whatever you need said. I'm not saying they're all dishonest, but I'm not saying any of them are.
the courts do try to keep out the more outrageous nonsense. the Federal Rools of Evidence, which has been adopted by many states in some form: QUOTE: RULE 702. TESTIMONY BY EXPERT WITNESSES A witness who is qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education may testify in the form of an opinion or otherwise if: (a) The expert’s scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will help the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue; (b) The testimony is based on sufficient facts or data; (c) The testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods; and (d) The expert has reliably applied the principles and methods to the facts of the case. so jenny mcCarthy would not qualify as an expert in a trial about vaccine safety nor could you qualify anyone to testify that astrology is a science. you could get different opinions from qualified experts on the cause of some event, hence, "whores". Evidence should trump. Power and will go a long way where the evidence isn't with you. When I worked in politics I encountered instances where what the experts relied on were saying didn't correlate with what the politicians / bureaucrats were saying at all. They just shamelessly pretended it did.
Power, greed and ego also suborn the integrity of experts with dismaying regularity. In any case, as a rule of thumb just be careful where experts are deployed by others, whether in politics or the private sphere, to persuade / cajole / shame you into giving up money, freedom - anything. Re Newton & Alchemy; I think Alchemy maintained its bad odor with folks such as the Royal Society not just because it was associated with pecuniary interest, but also because often the secrecy involved thwarted anything like a scientific process. No way to verify findings / replicate results etc etc. Hmm. Bet those alchemists back in the day would have benefited from a more vigorous legal framework for protecting intellectual property. Even if you failed to find the Philosopher's Stone, you might come up with something useful. Everyone relies upon authority. Just boarding a plane means you are relying on the pilots, the mechanics, the engineers, the manufacturers, even the guy who pumps the fuel. Or do you kick the tires before you board?
I assume a certain degree of competency based on who I'm dealing with. whether or not I board a plane is ultimately my decision. if the pilot is having a drink at the bar before his flight boards, I'm not going to rely on him.
the globar wrarmin authorities - all paid whores -- are so tied into their liberal political agenda, it would be insane to trust them. I don't believe we rely on authority. Appeal to authority is popularly known as "I'm a recognized expert, you're not, sit down and shut up".
In the matter of flying, we rely on everyone's honor to do their duties conscientiously and correctly, according to procedures that have been determined, by trial and error, to be sufficiently robust. We rely upon the human systems to determine the required skills level to perform a job, and not promote people past their level of competence and trustworthiness. In aviation, an appeal to authority gets you cashiered. It is your duty, if you see something you believe is wrong, to point it out to those responsible for the correct construction and safe operation of the equipment. If you are those responsible people, it is your duty to assess, investigate and if necessary take corrective action. We rely upon our fellows to be honorable and perform their duties correctly. Anybody who makes an appeal to authority is attempting to perpetrate a fraud. John A. Fleming: I don't believe we rely on authority. Appeal to authority is popularly known as "I'm a recognized expert, you're not, sit down and shut up".
not all Appeals to Authority are fallacious. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html John A. Fleming: In the matter of flying, we rely on everyone's honor to do their duties conscientiously and correctly, according to procedures that have been determined, by trial and error, to be sufficiently robust. Yes, but you also rely upon their expertise. John A. Fleming: In aviation, an appeal to authority gets you cashiered. In aviation, people rely upon authority in nearly every action. John A. Fleming: It is your duty, if you see something you believe is wrong, to point it out to those responsible for the correct construction and safe operation of the equipment. That's right. Evidence always trumps an appeal to authority. Notably, you refer it to the experts responsible. Re: Student uses AR-15 to fend off home invaders
The article didn't say, but I bet he didn't have a high capacity magazine or he would gone out and started killing people. Those things have that kind of impact on people. we liberals are appalled at this outrageous affront to the self-esteem of the perps, who were violently threatened with at least one military-style machine gun and brutally denied their civil right to stand in hallways.
all of us libs demand that so-called one-percenter "victims" take what they've got coming and summon the tools of state suppresion police to take a report of this so-called crime that never happened. Turkish Muslims: Then clearly they must target George Lucas, Industrial light And Magic, and Disney (as they bought out Lucas.
Oh Nooooooo! What's The Matter With Kansas! Experts can be wrong! Who woulda thunk it? (Yo! Over here! Me!) I've lived in a US state without a state income tax, and I think that this is a bad idea.
I'm sure part of the impetus behind this move is the old "starve the beast" of getting less intrusive government by limiting the government budget. The headline objective is to promote economic development by reducing the tax burden but Income Tax is not the only tax burden. If you look at the revenue history of Kansas, tax receipts from Kansans is already a shrinking part of the pie. The bits that are growing are transfer payments from the FedGov, and (rather scarily) "other revenue". It seems the biggest part of the revenue pie is "Other Revenue", such as Service Fees and Charges -- not technically taxes because you only pay them when you get some "service" from the government, like a permit to build something or run a business. Some of the fees are related to compulsory schooling? Anyway, on the question of income tax vs other taxes: - income taxes go up when your income goes up, but also go down when your income goes down. Property taxes, on the other hand, are unrelated to income, which can be a problem for people with changes in circumstance. -Wages and number of people in employment are surprisingly sticky, in comparison to retail sales. In an economic downturn, revenue from income taxes will go down a little, but revenue from sales taxes and taxes on investment earnings will plummet. Not great for state planning. - User fees have an economic effect of discouraging people from doing stuff and building stuff - Sales taxes are a burden that falls disproportionately on those who need to spend the bulk of their income on basic needs. This is not so much the case in states where raw food & clothing are exempt, but is still an effect. Actually sales tax does not become a greater burden to the lower income people. Some/most of what they buy is exempt from sales tax. It 'seems" worse because it's right in front of you every time you spend money. Regarding income taxes; all goods and services cost all of us more because of taxes on the businesses and the employees. We all pay those hidden taxes and this is more regressive then sales taxes are.
The real problem is the uncontrolled politicians. There should be a standard that politicians cannot exceed. Something like no person has to pay more then 50% in taxes. Once that number is exceeded they are exempt from additional property, sales, income and fees. Another standard to hold states and local governments to would be a set percentage of the income in the state/city. Say 5% total. After that they cut budgets. Another standard that should be implemented is government wages and compensation (and I worked in the government). I think it is a moral sin to have some poor slob making $35k a year paying taxes to pay for teachers making $70k a year. I think that the government total compensation should be no more then the average wage for the state or city. If average income is $30k then the average government pay and benefits cannot exceed $30k. After all if you earn $30 and pay taxes to pay the fat cat salaries of government employees exceeding $200k then you are nothing more then a serf and the government might as well be a monarchy. One last point; everyone should pay taxes. If someone has no income then let them work 20 hours a week picking up trash. Otherwise they face the same penalty I would face if I failed to pay my taxes. GoneWithTheWind: Actually sales tax does not become a greater burden to the lower income people.
"If annual income is used to rank households, the tax reform {national sales tax} looks very regressive." http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-289.html GoneWithTheWind: I think it is a moral sin to have some poor slob making $35k a year paying taxes to pay for teachers making $70k a year. The poor slob making $35k a year might want someone more qualified than a poor slob educating his children for the future. I have no doubt that some liberal institute believes that but it is false. Poor people do not buy the kinds of things that are taxed. Poor people buy food and housing and buy their clothes at garage sales. Perhaps the Cato institute is using a statistical "estimate" as in 5% of all spending is sales tax without any understand what "poor" is. After all even you would have to agree "poor" people cannot afford to spend on those things that are not exempt from sales taxes.
GoneWithTheWind: I have no doubt that some liberal institute believes that but it is false.
The Cato Institute is a free-market, libertarian think tank. A study stands or falls on its own merits, though.
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2013-02-01 07:56
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Except that as I said the study was wrong. In their mind any tax is regressive unless it really soaks the rich. They will find the variable that will prove it. And as we have seen time and time again if they cannot find some measure, some comparable to prove their point then they will lie. the simple fact is rich people and even middle class people pay more in sales tax then poor people. Is it then regressive?? No but I'm sure they will find something to support that belief and the fools on the left (no offense) will drink the cool aid.
The larger question is why should anyone, any citizen be exempt from paying taxes? Either we should all pay taxes or no one should pay taxes. Either we are all citizens with equal rights and responsibilities or we are not.
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2013-02-02 21:34
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GoneWithTheWind: In their mind any tax is regressive unless it really soaks the rich.
They defined it thus: Simply put, low-income people pay a higher fraction of their income in taxes than wealthier people if the tax is regressive and a lower fraction if the tax is progressive. GoneWithTheWind: the simple fact is rich people and even middle class people pay more in sales tax then poor people. Is it then regressive?? By definition, whether a tax is progressive or regressive depends on the fraction of the income, not the absolute value. If a rich person pays $50,000 tax which is 5% of their income, and a poor person pays $500 tax which is 10% of their income, then the tax is regressive *by definition*. GoneWithTheWind: So who decides it is "regressive"? The facts determine whether a tax is regressive. Whether you think that's a problem or not is another matter.
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2013-02-03 09:38
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By definition the poor cannot pay a higher fraction of their income in taxes than wealthier people. What you don't seem to understand is "poor" people buy their clothes at garage sales, they do not buy luxury items and their food is not taxed so there is no sales tax. The theory is incorrect, the so-called experts are wrong, they made incorrect assumptions. Simple as that. But this incorrect belief helps their agenda so they sell it to fools and knaves (usefull idiots) who parrot it to anyone who will believe it.
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2013-02-06 11:24
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GoneWithTheWind: By definition the poor cannot pay a higher fraction of their income in taxes than wealthier people.
Of course they can. If someone makes $5000 a year and pays $500 in taxes, the fraction is 10%. If someone makes $5 million per year and pays $5000, the fraction is 0.1%.
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Zachriel
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Poppycock! If you made $5000 a year and that is all you had to live on you probably would not by a single item that was eligble for a sales tax. You would buy food and no doubt you would spend money on housing but you sure as hell would not be buying clothes at a store you would buy them at a garage sale. In fact even if you had an income of $15,000 a year it is unlikely that you would choose to buy taxable items at a retail store. That would be incredibly stupid and counterproductive. I suspect the difference between you and I is I have been poor, dirt poor and I know how poor people spend their hard earned dollars. But today we classify people as "poor" who own a car, one or more color TVs, air conditioning and buy steak with food stamps. That is where you have made your mistake. You are looking at a typical mother of two on welfare pulling in $35k-50k in cash and benefits as "poor". I have no doubt that some of "those" poor people pay sales tax and choose not to buy their clothes at garage sales. Why should they when the federal government has decided to become their sugar daddy?
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GoneWithTheWind: Poppycock! If you made $5000 a year and that is all you had to live on you probably would not by a single item that was eligble for a sales tax.
You said "by definition". Do you understand the meaning of the term? In any case, we provided a citation to a market-oriented think tank. You haven't pointed out any problems with the study, other than it contradicts your preconceptions.
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What is the sales tax on a Lexus? "looks regressive" but the rich still pay 10-20-50 times as much as as the poor. So who decides it is "regressive"?
You are too young to remember but years ago states would fund teachers colleges and allow people to go tuition free providing they made a committment to the state to teach inside that state for a certain number of years. It was a good job then, not nearly the pay and benefits of today but the colleges were full and had long waiting lists. What makes you think that if we ended unions for teachers and provided the free education that we could not get fully qualified teachers? The pay scale for public employees is grossly affected by union power. Until we get politicians with guts to cut the union power (re: the requirement to only hire union workers for Sandy hurricane repairs) we will continue to pay twice what we should in taxes. If you cannot see injustice in the middle class taxpayers paying excessive taxes to support excessive pay for public workers then perhaps you just cannot see. I don't get to choose the teachers and for that matter neither does the school, the principal or the city. And I don't get to set the salaries and in fact neither does the school, the principal or the city. Do you see anything wrong with that system? GoneWithTheWind: So who decides it is "regressive"?
Regressive means the rich pay a smaller percentage of their income in tax than the poor. The Cato study indicates that a national sales tax would be regressive. I know what it means but as I pointed out it is incorrect as used so "who" decides? It appears that only the tax and spend liberals decide so they can tax and spend more.
GoneWithTheWind: I know what it means but as I pointed out it is incorrect as used so "who" decides?
The facts determine whether a tax is regressive or not. Also I would like to point out that the most qualifed students entering college today were home schooled. It is those "qualified" teachers who are failing to educate 40% of high school students that you seem to think are so capable. With the exception of certain technical subjects teaching K-12 classes is not difficult and don't really require much advanced schooling to do it. Those requirements for "qualification" are more of a union road block to otherwise qualified people getting into the profession then real "qualifications". I remember a areospace engineer who retired young and wanted to teach high school math. The union generated hoops he had to jump through to become "qualified" made it impossible. And yet who do we have in our K-12 schools teaching our children? Highly qualified teachers??? Really!!!
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