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Thursday, December 27. 2012
It should come as no surprise that certain people didn't especially take to this.
Make that 'outright attack on the Second Amendment', to be precise.
More fun and games below the fold, including a link to the petition. We're currently at the 82K mark.
A very thorough article on Mr. Morgan's derangement is here:
At one point, Maggie's fave James Taranto jumped into the fray:
The link to the petition is here. The hitch is that you have to sign on to 'whitehouse.gov' first, which raises a question all on its own.
When the latest lefty "Stop Big Oil NOW!" petition goes up and receives 20,000 signatures in the first three hours, it's because they're eager to 'join the club' by signing on to whitehouse.gov. Conservatives, however, might be much more reluctant to do so.
So, how many signatures would this thing have ended up with if it was on a non-subscription site like PollDaddy?
It should also be noted that this is merely symbolic. On the other hand, even though Morgan will laugh it off in public, there's still going to be some tiny part of his brain reminding him that a hundred thousand people would like to see his sorry ass kicked right out of the country — and that's just the online portion of the people who feel that way. It's one thing when some opponent derides you in his latest column; quite another when hundreds of thousands of people actually want you physically removed.
By force, if necessary.
Just remember, Piers, as the old saying goes; it doesn't matter what the news says about you, as long as they spell your name right.
We'll make sure they do.
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Most of the gun violence in big cities is gang members killing other gang members or innocent bystanders who are anywhere near gang members being targeted. In every city with gangs the police know who they are, where they can be found and most/many of the crimes they commit. But for some reason targeting gang members for arrest and trial is not a high priority of big city police departments. If they made this a priority gun violence could be cut in half.
You're right, I read that stat just the other day. I think it was 70% of all gun deaths are criminal-to-criminal. No loss there.
That's right. Because police action targeting the actual -- you know -- people who commit the crimes is ... racist.
So back up here in the Uber-liberal NE, the local (Patch) on-line town paper ran a first page poll asking if town residents would support publishing the names and addresses of locals with gun permits (as was done in NY state).
Reading the comments it was not surprising to see that they were using this to browbeat and challenge any pro-2nd amendment responses. So I hope they like my comment," This is the 21st century version of keeping up with the Jones."
Seriously, I know the guy next door (who moved here from Tenn.) has a gun, I'm pretty sure the old Vet across the street has a gun and if they publish a list of the homes in town that have guns I'm going to feel targeted since I haven't owned a gun in twenty years (and that was black powder).
I hate to waste the money (and in MA its serious money) to get permitted, I'm saving up to move out of state.
Ask if they will publish the names of EBT card holders. Maybe even ask if they will publish the names of sex offenders. Then wait for the stuttering to begin.
“Ironic U.S. gun rights campaign to deport me for ‘attacking 2nd Amendment rights’ – is my opinion not protected under 1st Amendment rights?,” Morgan tweeted.
“Your opinion is protected, your presence in the U.S. is not. See Kleindienst v. Mandel (1972),” Taranto replied to Morgan.
Taranto linked to transcripts from a 1972 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that the U.S. Attorney General’s refusal to allow a foreign journalist into the United States did not violate the First Amendment. The case resulted from Nixon administration attorney general Richard Kleindienst’s refusal to grant a temporary nonimmigrant visa to Marxist Belgian journalist Ernest Mandel.
I do not look kindly upon foreign journalists advocating here in the US. Think of Alexander Cockburn. Naturalized citizens, such as Christoper Hitchens, are welcome to enter into the fray.
I come from the UK. Please do not send him back, in fact I believe there is a petition to make sure you keep him.
Guess we'll just have to drop him in the Atlantic halfway in between.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear UK was one of the first to sign it. He's made it clear on his Twitter feed that he has no use for the man.
Secondly, Morgan should be praying he doesn't get sent back to the UK, where he's under indictment for his part in the cell phone hacking scandal which engulfed News of the World. From what I've heard he was up to his neck in it and bunked off to America when things got tight. I'd love nothing better than to see his backside in hot water.
while it would be very cool to see morgan "removed" (the correct term is not "deported"), unfortunately its not going to happen for exercise of first amendment rights.
morgan is no doubt here legally as a nonimmigrant visa holder (the visa applicant in Kleindist was not, and was denied entry for other reasons). so getting rid of him will require something more devious.
the petition just give him something to crow about, and he's getting more publicity than he deserves.
Even if he's not deported, if enough people state clearly enough they don't want CNN as long as Morgan remains employed there, CNN may well be forced to terminate his ass :)
CNN has completely given up any pretense of being anything other than a lefty propaganda machine in my book. Hiring Jake Tapper is sticking a finger in a dike that is already gushing. At one point they had 8 or 9 gun control pieces running at once. Most of them made no reference to the obvious mental health angle of the tragedy, the 2 that did poo-pooed it as irrelevant. Piers Morgan is getting them more attention than they've attracted in months. No way are they going to get rid of him.
I'm all for Piers being tossed, if only for purely symbolic purposes.
I know there are good reasons to have people who wish to undermine the Constitution (as he does, and not just on guns) removed. But given his stature in the media world (and, oddly, as a close personal friend of The Donald and several other high-profile right wing entities), the results are likely to only be Morgan telling his story in a fashion which depicts anyone signing the petition as a moron and uninformed boob.
Seeing as his show gets far more than 100,000 viewers per airing, and these 100,000 signing the petition are unlikely to ever watch it, he's not at all worried about them.
He couldn't care less if 100,000 people signed a petition, and he has the platform to make them all seem like nitwits, at least to his own underinformed viewership.
My POV on issues like this is craft (as many have) a narrative which shows Piers Morgan as an arrogant boob who knows little if anything about Constitutional rights. Then portray him as the bully he is. Then ignore his responses.
Piers Morgan, from my POV, is a non-entity. Bob Schieffer, on the other hand, is problematic. After all, he's respectable, he's an elder of the journalistic corps, and he's vocally anti-gun. Men like him represent a difficult situation. He can use his age and position to craft the emotional appeals needed to pursue his agenda, while having on the president of the NRA and not taking him on directly, simply engaging in Fabian tactics in his interview. Parry, redirect, parry, redirect.
It makes him seem educated and informed on the topic, and he gets the final word on his show.
Piers Morgan, from my POV, is a non-entity. Indubitably. No need for concern. CNN, with ratings in the toilet, has simply gone further into the toilet in a desperate attempt to save itself. It's a put up deal. When their ratings remain in the toilet after this shot at shock video, they will try something else, and this turkey will be forgotten fast.
I signed it. I'm always up for some fun and the fact that a lot of liberals think it is serious makes it even more entertaining. There's nothing funnier than stupid people thinking they're some kind of genius.
After four years of rule by a President who called his opponents bitter clingers and worse, who openly and repeatedly demonstrated his contempt for America, the Obamunists believe they have an absolute majority in America. They need no longer conceal their contempt, hatreds, and desires from either a respect for common humanity (i.e., civility) or fear.
The Leftist solution (the Joyce Carol Oates solution) to dissent will soon arrive. An Internet of self-expression (blogs and tweets) will supply all the proof necessary to punish their enemies.
With a job shortages, all that will be necessary is that unions and dependent corporations choose to hire Obamunist lackeys over dissenters, who will be in the cold and mocked for being on the dole.
In the great depression FDR created federally funded public work relief programs to provide jobs. Many of these were administered at the local level. It was common that those who administered these programs were partisan politicians and they only doled out jobs to registered Democrats. The rest were "...in the cold and mocked for being on the dole." There is indeed a precedent for this type of action.
We should draft Teller of Penn & Teller to be president by acclamation. Then watch 50 governers go into action to save what's left --Teller can just smile and nod. Thinking about FDR and watching Obama --and most of the in-betweeners, we're just WAY too centralized to keep making lottery dictators out of the self-selected group of people who WANT the job of being the most dangerous human being on the planet.