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Tuesday, November 27. 2012
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I've enjoyed those essays, though there's plenty to quibble about. Be sure to check out the often whiny and unintentionally hilarious comments. Anyway, I know from whence he comes, having swum in the hipster play-pool when younger.
The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it.
"What you know" and "intelligence" are different things; neither imply the other. And "intelligence" - it has many different measurements. He's talking about the knowledge and intelligence of hipsters.
I think its more accurate to say that what you know and intelligence are both very valuable in an economy, what matters is what you know and the character - the type and kind - of your intelligence.
Of course I'm not happy about this, I like smart people, but that's the new reality.
No, that has been the enduring reality.
And very smart people who are not hipsters are not therefore dumb people. The knowledge base and native intelligence of the hipster set just isn't as useful to our economy as they wish it were. Or, I guess in economic terms, the supply of what they've got far exceeds demand.
Except for all those job postings that have at the bottom "College degree required."
You might think that degrees are pointless, useless and have given no student any skill set that matters in the working world. But if that is the case, you would not see job after job listing requiring degrees. And, yes, even English degrees.
Maybe I didn't learn a 'skill' in college...but I did gain a broader knowledge of the world, history geography, foreign language, psychology, etc....that I would not have achieved on my own reading alone in an apartment. All of those bits of knowledge do accumulate into something useful. I know this, because I am still using those bits of knowledge today. And they make my work product better, my understanding of my co-workers better, and gave me a discipline of study, analysis, and comprehension that I would not have otherwise.
I agree - a college degree can be useful; but, it is also up to the college grad to try to make something meaningful out of it.
Many of those skills acquired in school have to be translated into something that will benefit an employer. Some folks (and it sounds like you are one of them KJB) are able to transfer those skills into work right away; other folks are not able to see how to apply what they learned in school into a work setting. At least, not until, they actually start working; then the pieces might start to fit together.
When the job market is good for employees then recent college grads are given a chance to learn, on the job, how to transfer those skills into a work setting.
But, in this economy, employers do not have the luxury of on-the-job training for the newbies. Employers, quite understandably, want to hire folks who can do the job with as little ramp up time as possible. Also, with so many folks applying for the same job, employers can have their pick to get the best match. Sadly, that excludes a lot of folks, especially, the recent college grad with no "on the job" experience.
P.S., I read a statistic during the summer which showed "recent college grads" as having a 51% unemployment rate. Even if they meant "graduated in May" as recent, it still sucks - and people still voted for Obama? Unbelievable!
I would agree with you...it is up to the graduate to figure out how to market himself and use those skills from college in the business world. It took me most of my 20s to find gainful employment that wasn't a glorified secretary-type job...but there's nothing wrong with taking that $12/hour job in a company and then working your way up to something better.
I think the problem with college grads is expectation. They believe they will walk out of college with a degree and get offered a job making $40K or $50K a year. Not true....unless you have a very specific degree like engineering or accounting or nursing.
The key is telling your liberals arts kid, "Just get a job...any job. Even if it isn't in the field/business you want." All jobs build your resume and give you skills. And then you can take the time to find that dream job...but at least for the moment you are making $$ and able to take care of yourself.
yup, been passed over for more than a few jobs because I have a BSc rather than an MSc, never mind that I've 16 years professional experience to top that BSc which more than make up for the difference in formal education compared to the 3-5 years demanded for them.
And as stated, a lot of job openings now list requiring degrees that not long ago would not, including menial jobs.
It's insanity, but apparently companies no longer want a typist who doesn't have a Ba level degree or better.
I hear you on the insanity of requiring a degree for a position that does not really need it.
However, I also think it is the job market - companies (more correctly, I should say "organizations", because non-profits are doing it as well) are listing degrees as "required" because they are so flooded with job applicants that listing a degree as a requirement helps to cut down on the number who apply.
Too bad, so many folks do not understand that when the job market is in favor of the employee more opportunities open up for folks who are not exactly qualified; but, the employer will take a second look at because they cannot afford to be so fussy - help is snatched up by the competition.
Your example of having the real-life experience is a classic case. Yep, they might very well want that degree; but, "hey, look! Here's someone with a lot of equal experience - let's call this person" they might say when the job market is in favor of job seekers.
But, now, with college grads being a "dime a dozen" why would any employer take a look at someone with only a HS diploma or a GED, or someone who doesn't have that exact degree they really would like to have?
I'm not saying I agree with this attitude; I'm just saying it is the reality that we are facing in this job market. It seems to be the "new normal" and too many folks have just accepted it. I've been dissappointed over elections; but, I have never been angry as with this re-election of Obama. As far as I am concerned those 51% turned their backs on the unemployed (and underemployed) in the US. Shame on them.
P.S., sorry for the anti-Obama rant; but, as you can guess, I AM pissed about this election.
Would these be the same "college grads" we see on "Girls"?
You know the ones--they didn't have to "really" study because they were members of an abused (victimized) category. In this case the ones that threaten a professor with criminal charges just when they walk into the room!
I have loved these essays. Fantastic.
I have a question though, if Joe Camel was considered dangerous for marketing to kids, then why aren't these colleges held accountable for peddling their poison to minors?
Better (less intimidated) lawyers when you aren't a hated class.
I can tell you that for those carears where a degree is not mandatory it is common to advertise the job with a degree required to thin out the resume pile. It is pure lziness on the part of those who are filling the job (and I don't mean those who are in HS). However, if you are good at your job then make a personal contact with one or more of the people (usually a committee) who actually screen the resumes and select the ones to interview. Most companies will hire you without the degree if you are really well qualified. Be aware that most government agencies may not make this concession (I worked in both government and private industry). Often, how do I say this, government agencies will write their requirements to exclude one of the losers who already work for them and thus they dare not open themselves up for a law suit. It may still be worth a try. In my experience the people who review the resumes spend most of the time looking for reasons to eliminate candidates and anything at all can be used to eliminate you. So if they have specific requirement spelled out make sure your resume and or your cover letter addresses every requirement. Don't lie, but find some way to positively address every requirement they have.