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You don’t win a nationally televised debate by being rude and obnoxious. You don’t win by interrupting your opponent time after time after time or by being a blowhard. You don’t win with facial expressions, especially smirks or fake laughs, or by pretending to be utterly exasperated with what your opponent is saying.
Also, read Bruce's post from last night.
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Ryan's main job was to establish serious credibility. Seems like he accomplished that. Seems like Biden acted like a drunk in a bar even if he won or tied on points scored. Bad optics, not gentlemanly or dignified.
No different than any Congressional hearing Biden sat in during his 36 years as a Senator. He never stopped interrupting, making faces for the camera, yelling lies, and generally making a complete ass of himself.
Bird Dog: Post Debate Polls: Ryan Beats Sitting Vice President
That was a CNBC web survey, not a scientific survey.
Bird Dog: Update: CNN insta-poll of undecideds shows tie; Update: Ryan wins CNN insta-poll overall, 48/44
That is probably referring to this poll, which is not of undecided, but of registered voters who watched the debate, which leaned Republican.
Here's a survey of undecideds who watched the debate.
You can bet Biden's shtick was cooked up lock stock and barrel by Axelrod and cohorts. There were news reports this week that Chicago had seen where Biden was headed in practice, didn't like it, and took over to remake him into what they wanted and what we saw last night. Biden, like Schumer, is, and always has been, just an actor, faithfully parroting whatever the higher-ups feed him.
His job was to look and act tough to counter the wussy performance by Obama and to prevent Ryan from being able to finish his point whenever he came to close to exposing the administration. His job was not to be an effective advocate for the administration because that is impossibe considering their record. He was not tasked with converting the undecided but rather to throw raw meat to their base. So all things considered Biden did what he was supposed to do. Clearly the moderator was part of the Biden team too.
Biden, like Obama before him, overdid it. Biden did not look tough, as in intimidating. He acted like a belligerent drunk trying to bluff his way through a barroom argument. While both Biden and Obama fancy themselves to be good actors, they have demonstrated that both need additional training. On Tuesday, we'll see if Obama has gotten any.
I turned it off after 15 minutes (and I have watched debates for years, and like politics).
Biden's dentures and weird laugh were insane, but I was also not too impressed w/ Ryan. I could think of good lines for him to say, but he never said them. He just kept robotically repeating talking points.
Don't worry, I'm voting for Romney, but this was a miserable debate all the way round.
Before the debate I had mentioned to several people that he would trot out the dead wife story and, Joe being Joe, he did. If he were sincere about his loss I would have some empathy for him but he brings out that story on every occasion. He's built his career on his deceased wife.