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Friday, October 12. 2012

Biden Interrupted Ryan 82 Times

Chris Wallace on Joe Biden: “I’ve Never Seen a Debate Where one Candidate Was So Disrespectful”

Post Debate Polls: Ryan Beats Sitting Vice President

Angry old man yells at Paul Ryan for 90 minutes; Update: CNN insta-poll of undecideds shows tie; Update: Ryan wins CNN insta-poll overall, 48/44

Barone: Thoughts on the vice presidential debate

Noonan: Confusing Strength With Aggression - A draw on substance, but the vice president loses on style.

Barnes:

You don’t win a nationally televised debate by being rude and obnoxious. You don’t win by interrupting your opponent time after time after time or by being a blowhard. You don’t win with facial expressions, especially smirks or fake laughs, or by pretending to be utterly exasperated with what your opponent is saying.

Also, read Bruce's post from last night.

RNC instant ad:

Ryan's main job was to establish serious credibility. Seems like he accomplished that. Seems like Biden acted like a drunk in a bar even if he won or tied on points scored. Bad optics, not gentlemanly or dignified.

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I did not like the format. They kept splitting the screen so that on the right side you'd see Paul Ryan explaining a point while on the left was a Dent-U-Creme commercial.

#1 DMW on 2012-10-12 08:10 (Reply)

I have never been so disgusted with a sitting politician's behavior than I was last night with this "debate".

This is the VP of the US?

Making points, stabbing one liners and comebacks - ok fine, that's all part of the game. Acting like a jackass - that is just plain embarrassing.

I can only point back to the Cheney/Lieberman debate where the only adults in the room where Cheney and Liberman. That was a "debate" and it was a good one.

#2 Tom Francis on 2012-10-12 08:26 (Reply)

No different than any Congressional hearing Biden sat in during his 36 years as a Senator. He never stopped interrupting, making faces for the camera, yelling lies, and generally making a complete ass of himself.

#2.1 NJSoldier on 2012-10-12 11:51 (Reply)

Bird Dog: Post Debate Polls: Ryan Beats Sitting Vice President

That was a CNBC web survey, not a scientific survey.

Bird Dog: Update: CNN insta-poll of undecideds shows tie; Update: Ryan wins CNN insta-poll overall, 48/44

That is probably referring to this poll, which is not of undecided, but of registered voters who watched the debate, which leaned Republican.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/11/cnn-poll-on-debate-winner-ryan-48-biden-44/

Here's a survey of undecideds who watched the debate.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57531059/poll-biden-takes-debate-over-ryan-uncommitted-voters-say/

#3 Zachriel on 2012-10-12 09:10 (Reply)

He spins he bobs,he weaves, nice try troll boy. The only valid poll is the one that Joey Psychotic

#3.1 bill on 2012-10-12 09:51 (Reply)

oops make that favors Joey Psychotic

#3.1.1 bill on 2012-10-12 09:54 (Reply)

A web survey is not a scientific survey. Bird Dog said CNN was providing a survey of undecided voters, which was incorrect.

#3.1.2 Zachriel on 2012-10-13 09:35 (Reply)

Isn't it time to dust off that old standard, "The only poll that matters is the one that happens on Election Day"?

#3.2 Texan99 (Link) on 2012-10-12 16:33 (Reply)

What a dick. Disgraceful.

#4 Estoy Listo on 2012-10-12 09:15 (Reply)

Mister Macho with his hair transplants, cosmetic surgery, and a massive idiot grin that looks like the row of Miami Beach high-rise condominiums.

#5 buddy larsen on 2012-10-12 10:22 (Reply)

"Biden Interrupted Ryan 82 Times" during a 90 minute debate...

#6 JKB on 2012-10-12 11:03 (Reply)

You can bet Biden's shtick was cooked up lock stock and barrel by Axelrod and cohorts. There were news reports this week that Chicago had seen where Biden was headed in practice, didn't like it, and took over to remake him into what they wanted and what we saw last night. Biden, like Schumer, is, and always has been, just an actor, faithfully parroting whatever the higher-ups feed him.

#7 BillH on 2012-10-12 11:59 (Reply)

I thought Biden did pretty good!

His job was to look and act tough to counter the wussy performance by Obama and to prevent Ryan from being able to finish his point whenever he came to close to exposing the administration. His job was not to be an effective advocate for the administration because that is impossibe considering their record. He was not tasked with converting the undecided but rather to throw raw meat to their base. So all things considered Biden did what he was supposed to do. Clearly the moderator was part of the Biden team too.

#8 GoneWithTheWind on 2012-10-12 12:01 (Reply)

They both did what they were sent to do.

And both did what they are best at doing.

#8.1 Bird Dog on 2012-10-12 12:34 (Reply)

Biden, like Obama before him, overdid it. Biden did not look tough, as in intimidating. He acted like a belligerent drunk trying to bluff his way through a barroom argument. While both Biden and Obama fancy themselves to be good actors, they have demonstrated that both need additional training. On Tuesday, we'll see if Obama has gotten any.

#8.2 BillH on 2012-10-12 13:10 (Reply)

I turned it off after 15 minutes (and I have watched debates for years, and like politics).

Biden's dentures and weird laugh were insane, but I was also not too impressed w/ Ryan. I could think of good lines for him to say, but he never said them. He just kept robotically repeating talking points.

Don't worry, I'm voting for Romney, but this was a miserable debate all the way round.

#9 Park Slope Pubby on 2012-10-12 13:06 (Reply)

"...miserable debate all the way round." Yea, as shown by the flash polls, if they're right (via Drudge):

FLASH: TV RATINGS FOR VP DEBATE DOWN SHARPLY... DEVELOPING...

FOXNEWS 10,019,827
CBS 8,308,421
ABC 8,287,610
NBC 7,851,757
MSNBC 4,378,671
CNN 4,145,951

**69.9 MILLION WATCHED IN 2008...

#9.1 BillH on 2012-10-12 17:17 (Reply)

Before the debate I had mentioned to several people that he would trot out the dead wife story and, Joe being Joe, he did. If he were sincere about his loss I would have some empathy for him but he brings out that story on every occasion. He's built his career on his deceased wife.

#10 DMW on 2012-10-12 19:49 (Reply)

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