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Friday, July 20. 2012

Friday morning links

It's time Democrats came of the closet and raised the flag of social democracy.


I think they already did


Prostate Cancer Surgery Fails to Cut Death Rate in Study


To restate the obvious yet again... tolerance is not the same as respect


SF Considers Strict Outdoor Smoking Ban – Except For Pot


The Obama Record: Deep Poverty at Record High, Homeless Families on the Rise & 6.4 Million More Living Below Poverty Line


Media silent


Krauthammer:



What divides liberals and conservatives is not roads and bridges but Julia’s world, an Obama campaign creation that may be the most self-revealing parody of liberalism ever conceived. It’s a series of cartoon illustrations in which a fictional Julia is swaddled and subsidized throughout her life by an all- giving government of bottomless pockets and “Queen for a Day” magnanimity. At every stage, the state is there to provide — preschool classes and cut-rate college loans, birth control and maternity care, business loans and retirement. The only time she’s on her own is at her grave site.


...She’s married to the provider state.



Obama faces Capitol Hill revolt after gutting welfare reform work requirements

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"Obama faces Capitol Hill revolt after gutting welfare reform work requirements" Some Dems must fear for their seats at the public trough.

Some second-hand smoke is first-class, the rest is second-class.
#1 Sam L. on 2012-07-20 10:58 (Reply)
Bird Dog: "It's time Democrats came of the closet and raised the flag of social democracy." I think they already did

The vast majority of Democrats support a market economy, so that is not something that will happen.
#2 Zachriel on 2012-07-20 12:46 (Reply)
Zachriel ... I must take issue with you on your statement that "the Vast majority of Democrats support a market economy." The problem is, they don't, if California and Gov. Moonbeam are any example.
Would you please give me some statistics about the "vast majority" of Democrats who support a market economy.

Marianne
#3 Marianne Matthews on 2012-07-20 13:34 (Reply)
This international survey doesn't break it down by party, but in the U.S., only about 11% think that free market capitalism is fatally flawed, which is much less than the share of the electorate that is in the Democratic Party. Other polls have similar results.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8347409.stm

The most developed economies in the world have strong public sectors as well as robust markets.
#3.1 Zachriel on 2012-07-20 15:39 (Reply)
More and more, the economic policies of the Obama administration are coming to bear close similarities to those of Nazi Germany and its mixed market economy of the mid 1930s and early war years, apart from the military component. To say that the majority of Liberals in this country favor a "market economy" of sorts offers no reassurance as to the extent of their support for the individual economic freedom on which our nation was founded.
#4 Agent Cooper on 2012-07-20 20:23 (Reply)
Bird Dog: "It's time Democrats came of the closet and raised the flag of social democracy." I think they already did.

Gallup Poll question: Just off the top of your head, would you say you have a positive or negative view of each of the following?
Socialism:
Democrats/Leaners: 53% positive
Republicans/Leaners 17% positive

Free Enterprise
Democrats/Leaners: 85% positive
Republicans/Leaners 90% positive

Capitalism
Democrats/Leaners:53% positive
Republicans/Leaners 72% positive

The Federal Government
Democrats/Leaners:67% positive
Republicans/Leaners 27% positive


A slight majority of Democrats have a positive view of Socialism. Nearly half of Democrats have a negative view of Capitalism. A large majority of Democrats- two thirds- have a positive view of the Feds.

Sounds to me like the Demos like Social Democracy.

Perhaps another view of Democrats is that their views are somewhat schizophrenic. Look at the difference between percentages who like Capitalism and percentages like Socialism. For Pubs, the difference is 70%-17%: 55%. Consistent.Whereas for the Demos, the difference is 53-53=0. Sounds as if the Demos can't make up their minds what to like. Or, there are deep divisions among the Demos.
Jeckyl, meet Hyde.
#5 Gringo on 2012-07-20 20:59 (Reply)
Agent Cooper: More and more, the economic policies of the Obama administration are coming to bear close similarities to those of Nazi Germany and its mixed market economy of the mid 1930s and early war years, apart from the military component.

Hitler was a vegetarian. Some Democrats are vegetarians!

Gringo: Whereas for the Demos, the difference is 53-53=0.

It's not that difficult. The most developed economies in the world have strong public sectors as well as robust markets.

Gringo: Nearly half of Democrats have a negative view of Capitalism.

But a strong view of free enterprise, which is closer to the original question. People often confuse capitalism and free enterprise. While the latter requires capital, the former is not necessarily free.
#6 Zachriel on 2012-07-21 11:48 (Reply)

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