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Tuesday, June 28. 2011Looking at the 2012 Republican Presidential Contenders and BeyondAmong the likely winners of the Republican race (yes, that excludes Sarah Palin and Rand Paul), none have yet come even close to sewing up the nomination for president. That’s a good thing. I’m a firm believer in the worth of long campaign seasons. Democrat or Republican partisans alone are a minority of the electorate. The crucible requires potential candidates to demonstrate their ability to craft a national coalition of their political party that will reach beyond to enough leaners (otherwise often called Independents). The long campaign crucible, also, demonstrates the potential candidates’ ability to present themself and to encourage positive feelings with articulate, persuasive, sound proposals, while avoiding seriously alienating leaners or committing major gaffes that raise crippling doubts among the open-minded (not just opponent scalphunters). At this point, there’s enough good to say about the leading Republican contenders to believe they’d all make fine vice-presidents, but as yet none have earned the higher expectation. All will be in good stead as a better alternative than President Obama. However, that is not enough, for me anyway. Not only for their election but for a successful administration and a course that lasts beyond, the candidates must convince that they will steer the US away from a financial abyss onto a safer and saner path, and that they will do what’s necessary to recover and protect US standing abroad while avoiding unnecessary quagmires.
There are differences of degree, but the leading Republicans have demonstrated seriousness on most economic issues, and proven it during their careers.
Where there are more serious, and dangerous, differences is in foreign policy. None have a record of experience in managing foreign policy or defense matters. That is not crippling since there is such a deep Republican and professional bench available to them. That bench will only be as good as the direction they are given. So, the leaning among some toward avoidance of confrontations abroad and to reduced defense expenditures that may appeal to the weary will also weaken the US ability to meet challenges and encourage other nations to ally with the US.
Among the front-runners, only former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty and current Minnesota congresswoman Michelle Bachmann have staked out unequivocal stands for a firm foreign policy, a strong defense, and the will to engage our friends and discourage our enemies.
It seems to me, that former governor Pawlenty, with more governing experience and a less flaming demeanor, is the stronger among the two. Bachmann, though, has shown she has been underestimated as to her depth and presentation. Still, in what will be a bare-knuckle personal attack strategy surely to come from Democrats, Bachmann may be more easily tarnished than Pawlenty. On the other hand, Pawlenty’s calm presentations have not excited the base, who crave public repudiation, even humiliation, of the leftist and extreme Democrats in Congress and the White House.
The base is important to cementing the nomination. The leaners are important to winning the election.
That leaves administering. Former governor Pawlenty, previously a state legislator, ably administered Minnesota. Bachmann has been a legislator. There is a difference between legislating or governing a state and administering and leading the nation. Administering and leading the nation requires higher political and inter-personal skills, with a firmer backbone to pursue reforms and programs.
Bachmann as a legislator has firmly stood against liberal Democrat programs. Whether she has the enlarged skills to enlist wider support is a valid question. Pawlenty is more a political pragmatic than Bachmann, he actually in the blue-state Minnesota governor's chair and dealing with a Democrat legislature. Whether in the White House he has the spine and intestinal fortitude to win over waffling legislators and overcome opposition at the same time as not seriously compromising objectives is a valid question that he must address in his campaign.
The extent of reforms and course-corrections that must be undertaken by a new Republican president will test him or her in the most severe ways. Further, to be more accepted and lasting, they must be convincingly presented and well managed. Just for comparison, his lack of executive skills and political acumen have so weakened President Obama’s dramatic changes in domestic and foreign policies that they would be critically enfeebled even if his policies made more sense or were more constructive. President Obama’s in-your-face and extra-legal tactics may have gotten him some pyrrhic victories that will not last.
A brief note on other potential Republican candidates: Mitt Romney has a superb managerial record, in and outside government, and a great ability to understand and explain complex economic issues. He lacks a firm-rooted governing principle for much more limited government that is required in these times, and has waffled on foreign and defense policy. Congressman Paul Ryan is brilliant and focused on the correct domestic agenda, and likely has good foreign policy instincts that haven’t been emphasized, but lacks the national prominence this time. And, there are no real men on white horses. So, long story short, thankfully we have a long campaign season ahead of us to test and select the best prospect not only for 2012 but beyond.
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Dear Bruce,
Prediction: Sarah Palin will announce in September or October and have assured her nomination by May. Got some real New Ninted States dollars to back that up if you're interested. Roy Pawlenty didn't have the spine to stand up to Romney in regards to his own "ObamneyCare" comments......until a day or two later after he was called out for his timidity and wasn't face to face with Mitt. Ironically, it's the lady from Minnesota who has the balls to be POTUS.
Bachmann is a nutjob. End of discussion. I firmly believe she is borderline psycho - one of those highly intelligent people who suffer delusional personalities. She's a non-starter and an embarrassment.
You misnamed RON Paul, and saying he's an unlikely winner means one thing - if he loses, it will primarily be due to the fact that his opponents are, slowly, coopting parts of his message. Gingrich and Pawlenty already have, with regard to the Fed, and Romney has picked up his line on Afghanistan. Paul is a reasonable choice, and very electable if one pays attention to his message. Now, on the other hand, so is Huntsman a very fine alternative...an electable conservative moderate. Good credentials. I prefer him over Romney....and if Ron Paul can't make it work, I'll vote for Huntsman. But I'm pulling for Paul. He is, right now, the only person I believe capable of reversing the disastrous course we are on. He is pro-Israel, in the sense that he will support a foreign democracy by letting them protect and defend themselves without his input. But were they to be attacked, he'd back them up 100%. He is anti-Fed, which is destroying our currency and undermining our economy. He is pro-Liberty - which is more than I can say about any other candidate out there. Wow, talk about a nut job, that would be Ron Paul's picture under the definition. I don't think Bachman has the temperament for POTUS, but she's far from a 'nutjob'. Ron Paul's foreign policy and security fantasies are delusional and dangerous.
Paul's stance on foreign policy is completely realistic, and open to informed revision, as needed. His stance is a throwback to traditional US values, hardly delusional. On the other hand, a cursory read of many Bachmann statements and speeches show her inability to process fact from fiction, let alone get history right.
The recent John Wayne gaffe was not only hilarious, but typical of her lack of interest in determining what is truthful or not. She doesn't need to be demonized by the press. She'll do it to herself. Paul is honest and consistent, though still considered fringe. I don't think that will last, though. Watch as his views are coopted. We'll agree to disagree that Bachman is a 'nutjob', however we agree that she is not likely electable and neither is Ron Paul.
I didn't say Ron wasn't electable. I said he is considered fringe. ANYONE (even that wackadoodle Bachmann) is electable if people vote for them.
Though why anyone would vote for Bachmann not only confuses me, it scares the living hell out of me. She may be smart - that I'll give her supporters. But she is insane. Literally and figuratively. A simple reading of her record of speeches, views, and overall performance says this to me: Here is someone who may share a few views that I adhere to, but is so psychologically unbalanced she is incapable of knowing fact from fiction and truth from dishonesty. She's lied about her income - and she's a tax lawyer! Or she conveniently "forgot" these facts. Either way, that's just a small part of the insanity she puts forth. Ron Paul is nowhere NEAR her in that regard. The ONLY thing that keeps Paul from moving past the fringe that he's been labeled as is the inability to evoke an emotional response from people. In that regard, he's very much like Barry Goldwater. Which, by the way, is someone who Ron Paul is very similar to. So similar that Barry Goldwater Jr. ENDORSES him. And today, many Republicans who voted LBJ WISH Goldwater won in 1964 - why would they not want him today? He was a visionary, and he was a great leader. Ron Paul. In your heart, you know he's right. I can't wait to hear the expected comeback.......
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2011-06-29 14:29
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I didn't mean to imply that you agreed that Ron Paul is unelectable, I'm stating that Ron Paul is unelectable period. Doesn't matter what you think, he ain't getting elected to represent the GOP nor for POTUS.
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Bruce, my friend ... the GOP field is not complete yet. And it won't be complete without Texas Gov. Rick Perry. Much as I respect him as our governor, and I do, I think our country needs him even more than Texas does. He has a good, clean, effective record as governor, he proposes sensible solutions to our state's problems, and when he gives speeches he speaks directly from that charismatic combination of brain and heart. His speeches are barn-burners, real grabbers, and he's not afraid of anyone -- especially not of someone like Mr. Dithers and his White House full of Chicago type thugs and thugettes -- combined products of the academic world and Mayor Daley's modern version of Tammany Hall.
Best of all, the White House fears him, which is why Obama has been consistently incredibly rude to him. Perry spooks him, Big Time. By the way, he's former military ... flew C-130s for the Air Force. Marianne Dear Marianne,
I don't at all disagree with your assessment of Governor Perry. I just see the dynamics of this election as quite outside the bounds of conventional wisdom. I know that you are one of the very few thoughtful contributors on the web who are old enough to be my mom. The offer to adopt me still stands. Turns out mom was right. Took me 60 years to fully appreciate that. Since Mr. Kesler has apparently not visited the comments yet, dismissed me as a gadfly or doesn't want to pay a dime a word for my wisdom I haven't elaborated. For you I will. We have a confluence of two rare phenomena in our history. We had three game changing elections in the 20th century - FDR in 1932, Eisenhower in 1952 and Reagan in 1980. Note that these happened roughly a generation apart. Different reasons but we are due for another. Second we have had a very few populist movements that changed the course of our history. notably Jacksonian, abolition, abstention, the culmination of the progressive era and civil rights. The Tea Party movement is arguably one of these. It seemed to spring spontaneously in every crook and nanny of the country - like mushrooms after a warm spring rain. It has proven to be an extremely potent force as evidenced by both the 2010 election and its ability to bend the leaders of Congress to its demands. It has assiduously resisted a centralized leadership in accord with its philosophy. However, this has created a major power vacuum. It is awaiting a knight on a white charger to sound the trumpet - or a Joan of Arc. Sarah Palin has their hearts. The defense rests. Love, Roy I totally agree. I lived in Texas when he was Lieutenant Gov under G.W. Bush. He seemed to be the one with the presence and in spite of a few supposed guffaws has done well for Texas. I feel that same presence is what we need now. It's going to take a lot to make up for the audacity of 'dope' we now suffer under.
Rick Perry looks like the next president to me. There will be more to be revealed, and I reserve the right to change my mind, but...
Perry has the conservative credibility AND he can communicate that world view convincingly to the independent and the uninvolved. People will LISTEN to him as he has the persona and the presence to command the stage. He can SELL conservatism. And he seems to have the balls to use the power we give him to implement conservative governance. The Left will not gently acquiese to conservative control at the legitimate transfer of power. There will be very real battles ahead and Perry is one of the few warriors in the field. What this country needs is a good, tough Texan...and I'm not a Texan. Time for the blue NE and W coast failed states to take their tough medicine...lots of doses of Perry, Palin, Paul, Pawlenty, Bachman and Ryan medicine.
Gov Perry has made the most of his state's position as the nation's LEADING job-creator, and THAT message will resonate with the rest of the country in this election. Absent some skeleton hanging in his closet that the MSM will try to resurrect and hang around his neck, (how's that for a mixed metaphor?) I see him pummeling the current GOP field, and the Won in the White House. What may derail that plan is Gov Palin's entry into the race, as her standing with TEA party voters is high...I do agree with Bruce that this election season is going to be interesting...
The left must destroy Bachmann. Don't be fooled by those who tell you she cannot win. Dirty politics will reach a new low in this election. The left intends to steal a national election and they need to make you believe that right is not supporting Bachmann but would rather have a "moderate". The intent is to split the voters as they did in 92 when Clinton won with 42% of the vote. Bachmann scares the left because she wouldn't cut deals with them.
Romney makes me nervous because I think if he's elected he'll quickly turn to the left. Much as I like Palin I hope she stays out of the race, she can't win and she'll just suck all the air out of the other candidates. I agree about Perry.
Note to Roy Lofquist... Thanks for your extravagant compliment -- and I will adopt you as one of my special surrogate children, who number around twelve right now. Since I couldn't have children of my own, I decided not to sulk about it and began adopting extraordinary young people back in the nineteen eighties. We've all had a lot of fun and excitement over the years, and you would fit right in.
Marianne 1 - I've said it before and I'll say it again - a woman will never be nominated for President by either party - ever. It just isn't going to happen. Bachmann may be smart, quick witted and ready, but she ain't gonna get it - or the VP slot either. Both the Democrats and Republicans have tried that trick and it got them nowhere so you won't see that again.
2 - Palin is a non-starter. She's playing some kind of game for her own amusement which is disappointing. I'm not sure what the game is, but if its enter the race late, as somebody mentioned, it will suck all the air out of the room and everybody will die of publicity starvation while she screws things up. Besides, she has the most annoying voice in the world and needs a speech coach - which won't happen either. 3 - Ron Paul is also a non-starter. There is a reason he only attracts a certain amount of support and that is because most of his support is from the lunatic right fringe. If this was fifty years ago, maybe he would have been President. He will continue his Quixotic quest to win the nomination, but it's a waste of time. 4 - There really isn't anybody in the Republican field so far who excites me much at all. Romney may be a good choice that will appeal to moderates on both sides, but I can't quite get my mind around who and what he is. I've met him and he is quite personable and seems like a regular guy - smart, articulate, good business man and a heck of an administrator as we saw from the Salt Lake Olympics. He also managed to get along with a Democratic legislature so that's a plus and may be a good thing. The problem is that he's (1) Mormon which according to some automatically disqualifies him (much like being Roman Catholic was an automatic disqualification used to be - unreasonable but that's the way it is) and (2) he does have a tendency to waffle and look indecisive - he's not, but that is the way it looks. The only ones left are Paul Ryan (might be a good choice although I'm not sure he has the administrative chops to do a good job - policy wonks do not make good Presidents), Chris Christie (who I still think has a skeleton in the closet and that's why he won't run) or Eric Cantor who would make a good President but he's Jewish and that's almost as serious a problem as being Mormon or Roman Catholic. The Repulicans will hold the House, may win the Senate (but not by a super majority) but I honestly think the Presidency is a lost cause - Obama will win that one. Of course, the usual disclaimer applies - this is my opinion and we all know what they say about opinions. :>) I wish Ron Paul would get it. I don't think he's a nut at all. I think he's the best chance to save the country.
After that, I am starting to like Bachman. Not because of her especially. But because of her enemies. Whenever I see the mainstream media be this hard against somebody, I figure she (or he) is OK w/ me. The media is going full tilt. I find myself rooting for Bachman as a result. I agree, when the MSM attacks someone, you have to look at them seriously.
However, they are correct sometimes. In Bachmann's case, they are 100% correct. In fact, I have said time and again they spend so much time on her because she's such a lunatic it allows them to paint her insanity as indicative of what the Republicans represent. She is great for the MSM's main goal of demonizing the Republican Party, which is why she needs to go away, and fast. Anyone who is incapable of knowing the difference between John Wayne Gacy and John Wayne has a MASSIVE problem in their organization AND in their ability to process information. And not knowing the difference between John Quincy Adams and his father? Inexcusable for someone who bases her entire campaign on "the founding fathers and what they meant the country to be". I'm sorry....those are just 2 small examples of a much larger problem. I agree with the press on this one. She's bad news. No offense Rick, but why should that surprise you? Half the members of the House don't know the preamble to the constitution and about 2/3rds of them do not know the what the Bill of Rights contains. The #three guy on the Democrat side of the aisle, Jim Clyburn, got free speech and the commerce clause mixed up and firmly believes that he and his colleagues have the right to determine your behavior - a trait shared with Michael Bloomberg, Michelle Obama and others. Believe it or not, when quizzed, 95% of all answering Congressional members had no idea that the United States is a democratic representative republic, not a democracy.
I would really like to sit down on one of these debates as a questioner and have a chance to ask things like "what does free speech mean to you" and "where does Congress derive it's authority from" and questions like that. It would be terribly interesting - not to mention disappointing. Forgot to mention that, when given the chance to ADMIT she was wrong, she tried to say she wasn't wrong.
And that has happened a few times. Sort've like Palin's inane Revere letting the British know we wanted to keep our guns nonsense. UGH. I liked Palin. But she's become a nonsensical jibber-jabber People Magazine knowbody. So Ron Paul is sane and Michelle Bachmann is insane?
And we wonder why Republicans can't get their act together. :>) PS: They are both insane, but I prefer Bachmann's insanity over Paul's. :>) What, exactly, has Ron Paul said that is insane?
The "racist" stuff was all trumped up...that's not really a discussion now, though I'm sure it will come up. His foreign policy is completely sane - sovereign states should decide their own fate without the US imparting themselves. (would you like if China told US what to do? Do you like that Obama is telling Israel what to do? Do you like that we have about 900 bases around the world that cost us billions?) Legalization of drugs? Look at the Prohibition and then make a case for me that illegal drugs are a sane response to a perceived "problem". The Fed? Since when was sound money a policy they ever pursued? You do realize it is a private institution, owned by the banks, right? It has Federal oversight, but we know who the politicians are working for....and it's not us. Bachmann is willing to lie about her income and history? hmmm....believe what you want. I'd prefer to not go for that kind of thing. Rick,
Paul Revere wrote three separate accounts of his "Midnight Ride". They are available on the web. If you would read them you would find that Palin was substantially correct. Something similar occurred this week when George Stephanopoulus interviewed Michelle Bachmann. He stated that her contention that The Founding Fathers worked to end slavery was absurd. Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed the slaves, said in a debate about the Northwest Ordinance that the founding fathers started the fight and it was now necessary to end it to save The Union. Roy The Founding Fathers began nothing with regard to slavery - and regardless of what Palin or Lincoln said, they punted on the topic. In FACT, they gave power to the South by allowing slave states to count non-voting slaves as "portions" of people. I hardly call that "starting" anything. In fact, they felt the formation of the union was more important than hashing out the issue of slavery, and that the states themselves would solve the issue eventually via their own power (states' rights). They were wrong. Slavery was, unfortunately, finally "solved" via the Civil War in which Lincoln substantially consolidated the power of the Executive and enacted several very dangerous precedents - not least of which was a fiat currency (the short term benefits of which were later undermined by its manipulation via "lock ups" by banking leaders like Daniel Drew. So on that point, Bachmann is flat out wrong. In fact, so far from the truth as to be obtuse.
Furthermore, I wasn't debating that point - I was pointing out that she was INCAPABLE of discerning the difference between JOHN QUINCY ADAMS and his father - and then refused to admit she was wrong when given the chance. Hardly a beneficial quality. I have never heard about 3 different versions of Paul Revere's ride from Paul Revere himself. There were 3 riders, indeed, who each had their own version of events - Revere, Dawes, and Prescott. But none of them said anything remotely close to what Palin suggested they said. In each case, they were performing different functions, to either warn some of the leaders of the advancing troops and the possibility of arrest, or the militias themselves. It IS true the British were coming to collect the arms that were hidden, so if you want to get "relative" then perhaps there is leverage to say that Revere's ride was to prevent the British from "disarming" (they weren't disarming in the broad sense - they were coming for hidden and supposedly "illegal" arms. The militias themselves weren't being disarmed in the sense that the armories were being locked down around the country - disarming would have left the countryside at risk). But I'd like to see where Palin can back up her claim that he was telling the British that they couldn't take our guns. I've read several accounts and when I heard her say that, I laughed. Here's the problem: We complain that the Left plays "revisionist history" to their advantage. But we make excuses for the Right when they do the same thing, but say it's "substantially correct". Last I checked, many revisionist histories are "substantially correct". So I'm not buying that load of bull - it's just the same story as the Left peddles. I see it as a problem of accuracy versus precision. It's accurate to say Palin version of events explained the spirit of the time. It's precise to say she's not even remotely close to the right story. Bachmann, on the other hand, was not even remotely precise OR accurate. Look - I think it's interesting that I share many values which they seem to support. But I realize they are both intelligent women. I also realize that Bachmann is probably suffering a borderline personality disorder and that Palin is more entranced with her own celebrity than with real, valuable policy or history. Bachmann scares me. Palin bores me. I don't see either exhibiting the values of a good leader. I've been in business 25 years, I know a good leader when I see one. Romney - I disagree with on many things, but is a good leader. Huntsman - I like him, but he's very moderate (thus electable) and a good leader. Pawlenty - when he's on, he's good. But he's inconsistent. He's still a good leader. Cain - I like him and he's a good leader. Paul - I like him and he's a good leader. This election is going to be VERY similar to that of 1844, where one guy was a LOCK, and the other guy was an unexpected and unlikely candidate. Whether the outcome is the same (dark horse winning) remains to be seen. But I DO NOT believe that "anyone is better than Obama". I believe that some people are better than Obama, and it's possible that someone isn't in the race yet. For now, I'm a believer in Ron Paul. 4 years ago, I ignored him as "unelectable". I have reconsidered my position because he is electable AND he's finally found his voice. I believe he may not win - but I know that each candidate has already started to cherry pick his views. And to me, that's important. Good luck with that Bachmann and Palin nonsense, though. I really wish Bachmann would go away and Palin would move to Hollywood, where she really wishes she could live. All those who pine for a conservative POTUS and dismiss the 'moderate' candidates are missing the point of POTUS. POTUS more than any other public office needs to be able to govern the nation not just the conservative wing of the Republican party...and by the way even the conservatives can't agree on what the critical attributes of conservatism actually are. If you want the country to be governed in a more conservative manner, as I do, elect conservative congressmen, Governers and state legislators in as many numbers as possible. I'm most concerned with the POTUS' selection of Fed justices and their management of the military than I am with other conservative purity tests. I would prefer that they have a smaller government preference and respect federlism regarding states.
Regardless, I will be happily selecting anyone but the Won in the next election, as I did the last one. Right on, brother. People put too much faith in the power of the President to remake the world the way they want it to be. Presidents don't have that kind of power at all. We are hiring for an executive position, and they can influence a lot, but Congress and the broader culture is where the changes will occur, if they do. President Bachmann can't wave a magic wand and make the millions who didn't vote for her follow her lead, just as President Obama hasn't made the oceans recede and the cars all get 63 MPG.
This is a major reason why I support Palin. She essentially destroyed much of the establishment and had an approval rating over 80%.
There is much talk about the necessity for a strong leader to lead us through a perilous situation without causing chaos. Palin has demonstrated exactly that. Many GOP'ers can beat the incumbent. But governing is going to take a strong win in the Senate, holding the house, and an administration widely populated with people devoted to restoring personal liberty. We need an ideological President who will make deals where he/she can but is supremely devoted to smaller government.
That isn't Romney, not by a far piece. That isn't most of those named. Maybe it's Pawlenty, but I haven't seen enough yet to say. It is Perry. He ought to do his duty to the country and step into the firepit, and face down the crazed socialists in Washington and on the coasts. We need him. Romney may not be an ideological small government politician, but I think he's business savvy and economically pragmatic enough to know that current obligations and the current level of government interference in the economy is not sustainable. It doesn't take an ideologist to figure that out.
I'm not promoting Romney, I just don't want to see another stomp and pout fest because the GOP candidate is not sufficiently conservative allowing the Won another failed term. Politics is not about perfection but rather making the best of the least worst as possible and winning for goodness sakes. |