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Wednesday, August 4. 2010Birthright CitizenshipSeveral Republican US Senators are now supporting hearings into whether there should be a Constitutional amendment restricting birthright citizenship, anyone born on US soil is a US citizen. There’s some electoral opportunism there as well as recognition that most Americans want more restrictions on illegal immigration. About a fourth to a third of illegal immigrants in the US are parents of children born here. In some localities, the majority of births are to illegal immigrants, many of them coming into the US specifically for that purpose. Although by laws these parents are denied most governmental benefits, they are permitted to stay to care for their children, and many do work illegally. The children may petition for legal entry of other family members. There is no legal doubt that the US has the complete right to govern entry and citizenship. There is doubt as to whether the post-Civil War 14th Amendment, aimed at the citizenship of former slaves, intended to allow the birthright citizenship that we see today. Advocates of restriction cite the statement of a co-sponsor of the 14th. However, the language of the 14th has been interpreted in various ways by scholars and politicians over the next years and century-and-a-half. There are some peripheral court cases but the US Supreme Court has not specifically weighed in. At this point, it seems that only a well-drafted Constitutional amendment would be able to restrict birthright citizenship. Surely there would be majority consensus to do so, requiring at least one parent to already be a citizen. However, there are implications that must be considered. Should such children already here be allowed to retain citizenship? I’d guess yes. Should their parents be allowed to stay? I’d guess yes, with a path to citizenship. Should the children of legal entrants who have not yet become citizens be automatically granted citizenship? I’d guess not, at least until the parents have qualified and the children too. Some may consider that rewarding past behavior, and it is, but in a grand bargain and out of compassion, I’d guess there’d be the overwhelming support required for a Constitutional amendment. I’d suggest the language can be as simple as “Only a child born of at least one US citizen will be a US citizen. All others are subject to US laws of entry, residence and citizenship.” Yes, there will be resistance from those who want virtually open borders and those who benefit from hiring illegals, and from politicians whose constituency is such, but they are a minority and have little or no legal basis. There are valid emotional appeals to our past and to compassionate values but they, if not a purposeful distraction, are a recipe for enlarging the problems. Our past did not have the current practical burdens upon citizens or entrants. As strong border controls are essential to reducing illegal entry, so are removing incentives to illegal entry or staying. Uneducated illegal entrants are the main problem in net costs to our economy and government budgets. The US has need of some, and some are or will become or their offspring become net contributors. But, not as many as once or now or in the future. A Constitutional amendment to restrict birthright citizenship directly deals with a substantial part of the problem in a reasonable, cost-effective and widely-supported way. UPDATE: According to the respected PEW Research Center's Hispanic Center, there are over 4-million children in the US of illegal immigrants, and they make up 8% of the US birthrate.
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So-called 'anchor babies' have always been a strong feature of the illegal alien invasion here in Texas. The males who want to invade us often drag their 8 1/2 month pregnant wives or girlfriends through the hot desert to their great discomfort in order to have them give birth on the American side of the border, thus giving the whole family an eventual claim to American citizenship. We should have, long ago, eliminated this temptation to illegality. We've tried, a few times in the past, but, thanks to the bleeding heart liberals, have been unable to do so. Until we do, it's just one more temptation to illegals to break the law.
Marianne We have a similar law and a similar problem in Britain - except as a member of the European Union, we have to allow free right of settlement to anyone who is an EU citizen as well. When you add that to virtually uncontrolled Third World/Muslim invasion and the wish of our present government to admit Turkey to the EU, we have a real problem.
As the first Duke of Wellington said two hundred years ago "A man may be born in a stable but that does not make him a horse". I believe in Austrailia that's how it works -- kids get automatic citizenship... just the second one of their parents gets it. So no automatic anchor babies, but yes you get citizenship if your family really means it.
Anyway, the whole thing wouldn't matter that much to me if we didn't have a huge amount of welfare. Let 'em all come in. Otherwise you're setting up a nasty black market on illegal immigrants who have no legal recourse. Even legal immigrants have have problems. I know at least one contracting agency in silicon valley that specializes in H1 visa types, and there is a point (4 years? 5 years?) where your options are reduced and this contracting agency takes brutal advantage of it to get their employees to agree to things they wouldn't agree to otherwise. At the time the 14th Amendment was enacted, it was clear that it was never intended to give ius soli birthright citizenship to children for foreign nationals. The author of the 14th Amendment, Senator Jacob M. Howard, stated, in reference to the Amendment, "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the family of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."
The critical phrase is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The drafters meant to exclude two groups by this. The first was non-U.S. citizens. The second was members of Indian Tribes. Tribal Indians were not citizens of the U.S., since they were considered nationals of sovereign, but dependent, nations (that is why there is a whole different body of law applying to the rights of tribal Indians even today; for example, see the recent diplomatic problems with tribal members of the Iroquois lacrosse team getting the proper visas/passports to travel to the international lacrosse championship because they still do not consider themselves U.S. citizens). Tribal Indians did not become citizens of the United States until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924; however, since they are only citizens by virtue of the 1924 law and not under the 14th Amendment, Congress, under its "plenary power" over tribal Indians, could theoretically abolish their citizenship rights. Because of the ICA, the clear boundary between citizenship / non-citizenship rights for tribal Indians became clouded. Similarly, the original understanding that children of non-U.S. nationals would also not get birthright citizenship has been clouded, because especially in recent years the government has treated them like citizens. The issue is fairly clear legally, but no one wants to take it to the Supreme Court because of concern that the Court will come up with some rationale that not considering such persons to be citizens would violate "due process" or some other as yet unenunciated "penumbra" of the Constitution. Unfortunately, our government for a long time has been treating "anchor babies" as though they are U.S. citizens, which is then going to give them a very sympathetic argument in court that their "rights" are being deprived, when in fact they never had them. The situation is also clouded by the 1898 case of U.S. v. Wong Ark Kim where the Supreme Court held that children of foreign nationals born in the U.S. did become U.S. citizens at birth. However, that case was considering parents who were legally in the U.S. and considered permanently domiciled in the U.S. under then-existing laws. Whether this case should be extended to children of illegals is the question. Also, it can be argued that the 1898 Supreme Court had no conception of "illegal immigration" as it exists today, and that Wong Ark Kim should be inapplicable to the case of children of illegals, as opposed to those foreign nationals who are legally in the U.S. and considered permanently domiciled here. Thanks Jim for a fairly good summary.
There's also been legal unclarity as to the terms "citizen", "subject" and "subject to" as well as to "jurisdiction." For all the above, it does seem that only a well-crafted Constitutional amendment will clarify it all. The "Indian problem" will be harder to resolve! Ha.
Being part Indian myself, I insist on my citizenship. Got a passport to prove it. Being part Native Hawaiian myself, Congress is currently trying to make us into Indians (not that I have anything against Indians, mind you, my best friend and roommate in law school was a Cherokee who grew up in the Nation). See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akaka_Bill I think the bill is blatantly unconstitutional, because it is race-based legislation. We obviously are not an "Indian Tribe" which is what the Constitution talks about in the Indian Treaty Clause and the Indian Commerce Clause. As my Mom says, "Everyone in the rest of the world wants to become an American citizen, why on earth would we want to change that for ourselves?" As far as I'm concerned, I'm simply an American: no hyphens, no qualifiers. Being a Rational Anarchist, I can't believe I even have a passport.
Sorry, I'm not so compassionate. If the parents are here illegally, and they have American citizen children: if the illegal parents cannot find famillial American legal residents to take custody of their children, then deport the whole kit and kaboodle, if the decision is to deport the illegal adults. That there are AmCit kids should not modify the deportation decisions. If we can send back that Cuban kid to keep the family intact, then the AmCit kids go with the illegal immigrants. Sometime around high school or college, the AmCit kids can come back like it normally happens when a teenager has dual citizenship (e.g. for U.S. born children of foreign diplomats).
Why should we be compassionate? They are here illegally, and distorting U.S. policy priorities (like AZ State is?). The United States is not a charity. Our governments Job One is to secure our God-given rights, not spend our money securing them for law-breaking foreigners. And finally, even more tough love. If you are here illegally, you will never, ever, be on a path to citizenship (though your U.S. born kids are). And if we have to spend U.S. citizens money on you and your family, for any reason, you're outta here, immediate deportation without appeal. This is so these new immigrant families will learn, from the school of hard knocks, the American virtues of hard work, work for your families future, self-reliance, respect for the law, and the value of American citizenship. QUOTE: Our government[']s Job One is to secure our God-given rights, not spend our money securing them for law-breaking foreigners. Do these God-given rights of yours only extend to certain people who were lucky enough to be born on US soil to so-called legal parents, or do you think God might be a bit more universal in the giving of rights? Apparently, the view of you and your immigration-restrictionist brethren is the contradictory notion that these God-given rights are protected only after one is sanctioned by the government as "legal." That is, you believe that the rights you speak of are not God-given, and should be granted by the government through the process of a streamlined birthright citizenship rule or the DMV-like process of the federal government's immigration bureaucracy. I guess you do agree with our liberal friends that rights should be government-granted. But most disappointingly, the rights you wish to make government-granted are the ones that so-called conservatives claimed to be defending; namely, negative rights such as private property, freedom of contract, and the pursuit of happiness with minimal government interference. Addendum: QUOTE: This is so these new immigrant families will learn ... the value of American citizenship. If there is such great value to American citizenship, why do we give it away so easily to those lucky enough to be born on this soil to "legal" parents? One would think that if citizenship were so important, we would have some Heinlein-like "Starship Troopers" requirements for citizenship. I'm sure you might approve of this sort of arrangement whereby a person needs to perform some form of community service or military service to gain citizenship, seeing that you believe that citizenship of such great value should be earned in some way. Of course, this would again run counter to your assertion that rights are God-given, because once again, certain rights tied to citizenship would be subject to government permission rather than automatic government protection. The matter of birthright citizenship will not be solved without a Constitutional amendment creating a broad enough consensus to pass 2/3rd of the Congress and 3/4th of the state legislatures.
Consensus does not come about through attacking each other, or by going astray into irrelevant issues. Consensus cannot be achieved until we first debate on, then agree on, what is best for the United States. Our current Congress equates national interest with factional success. I see no hope there. My major point is that considerations of compassion muddles the immigration debate. The United States is not a charity for foreigners. Sometimes, we have to make hard choices. This is one of those times. If we let people in (or stay) it should be to the benefit of the United States, it should increase all our prosperity. Likewise, if illegal immigrants are costing us more than the benefit gained, then it's time for the illegals to go home, or live here by their own lawful efforts.
Clearly, birthright citizenship has created a powerful incentive for illegal immigration. And I know it's harsh, but a country that doesn't defend its borders is headed for history's scrapheap. Countries don't have a right to exist. They must be defended, or they will disappear. And we won't need this proposed Amendment if we just defended our borders. My own definition of birthright citizenship would be any person born with at least one US citizen parent, regardless of location of birth, or any person born in the United States to a parent who is a legal resident, not on a temporary visa but one who has begun citizenship proceedings. This would require a Constitutional fix since the current language is clear.
We would also have to give thought to, say, a Canadian citizen in the Armed Forces, stationed in Italy and having married an Italian spouse. What citizenship would we offer the child born in Italy to such a family? I say the parent's service makes the child an American citizen by birth. leticia olalia morales of 15501 pasadena ave #8 tustin ca 92780 submitted fake documents and paid 5000 dollars to obtain a US tourist visa. she also submitted fake employment records to obtain a work visa. she is now applying for citizenship. her contact at the embassy was man named sandman.
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I presented the case for an amendemnt to the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship. I've been considering another post to address the objections raised by some conservative commentators. Paul Mirengoff of PowerLine has done just that.&nbs
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I presented the case for an amendemnt to the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship. I've been considering another post to address the objections raised by some conservative commentators. Paul Mirengoff of PowerLine has done just that.&nbs
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I presented the case for an amendemnt to the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship. I've been considering another post to address the objections raised by some conservative commentators. Paul Mirengoff of PowerLine has done just that.&nbs
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I presented the case for an amendment to the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship. I've been considering another post to address the objections raised by some conservative commentators. Paul Mirengoff of PowerLine has done just that.&nbs
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I presented the case for an amendment to the Constitution to restrict birthright citizenship. I've been considering another post to address the objections raised by some conservative commentators. Paul Mirengoff of PowerLine has done just that.&nbs
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