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Tuesday, June 8. 2010
I do not blame BP for the oil. It's a SNAFU, and such things happen daily in life if not usually on this scale. Blaming and scapegoating are for nursery school and politicians. This BP gas station is good, tho:
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Obamas habbit of calling the compant British petroleum and his threats are finally getting through to people over here...isn't he supposed to be different?...well some of us here in England have known the truth all along.
I agree to some extent. There was a big arguement on the rig and with management via phone in the hours before the accident.
Obviously the wrong people won the debate - I'm guessing it was corporate instead of the people who knew what they were doing.
Re sign: Indeed. In the end I believe that WE the taxpayers will be RESPONSIBLE FOR the SPILL.
It's a SNAFU, and such things happen daily in life if not usually on this scale.
I beg to differ. Having read in the WSJ about what transpired, BP did not follow standard rig procedures in what they did. When rig safety is an issue, do not try to save time and money. I say this as a former engineer in oil drilling services. When I read what BP had done, such as replacing heavy drilling mud with much lighter seawater BEFORE putting down the final bottom plug, I thought to myself: what were these IDIOTS thinking? (The WSJ has had outstanding coverage.)
IMHO, NJSoldier is on the money regarding the decision making.
What tees me most about this is that ?bama will use this as a pretext to stop all offshore drilling.
Tim Newman's White Sun of the Desert blog has some good discussions on the issue. Here are some of his postings on what transpired before the blowout. He has other good articles on post-blowout issues.
Fateful Decisions on the Deepwater Horizon
Back Pedalling over BP
Obama Talks Tough on Macondo Hearings
Macondo Failure Mechanisms Identified
The Oil Drum:What caused the Deepwater Horizon disaster? has a good discussion.
concur with Gringo --and from a former roughneck, derrick hand, and technical award winning global consultant mud engineer's perspective. In fact when one digs a little deeper one gets more and more ice-cold shocks of realization that a pattern this admin's people have had career-long, of stoking up a problem only they can solve because only they can choose to quit creating the problem, and then helplessly watching as the problem gets out of hand, then gringo is actually rather much downplaying the darkness.
But people shortcut on procedure all the time. In both personal choices and corporate choices, safety is always a trade-off, never a guarantee. BD is exactly correct in saying this kind of thing is just part of life.
There are entire genres of comedy and management advice built on the tug-of-war and poor communication inside large organizations. The bean counter and the pointy-haired boss are stereotypes for a reason.
It is only because of the massive scale of a single incident that we even know or notice. A million minor leaks wouldnít be news.
I agree with your every word, foxmarks, but there's something more in this case --something tantamount to playing russian roulette, perhaps? No, something equivalent to playing russian roulette in a hurry, and to save time, just leaving all six chambers loaded.
They had an intrusian into the well bore that by pushing and pushing a test...ahhhg ...i can't do it --too much typing, to gloss thru the typing is to seem to've glossed thru the thinking, and to type the thinking is to spend an hour on text no one will read. but it's all in gringo's links, tho spotted here and there.
Meanwhile, the Mississippi Canyon was going to be a game changer for our ability to influence margins where prices change. When the lease auctions take place in the houston Astrodome usually, each winning bid is named secretly in the bid, and that winner's name is the name used (there is a theme every year, to the names companies append, but the names themselves are their own ideas).
Somebody at BP told the rig company man (who is now under medical sequestration and can't be interviewed, and his two assistants have both 'taken the fifth') to displace without a bottoms up, and someone, probably the same someone, named the auction bid for the heart of the Mississippi Canyon "Macondo" --a name which exists only thru the fictional town in a famous communist 'magic realism' author's novel "One Hundred Years of Solitude", where the town of Macondo is a fine place until capitalism and private proerty and hereditarty wealth came into it via a banana plantation, which then enriched the town beyond the original natives' imaginations, until Nature blew it away with a windstorm, after which it was rebuilt with the saved capital value borrowing power, at which point Nature rained rain upon it for four straight years until all those who had wanted growth and progress over nature and pastoralism, had given up and moved away --leaving a wrecked, empty miserable place with only a little hope to recover under the old ways, before the capitalism arrived.
who at BP named the prospect? Who called in the decisions of April 20? Perhaps the same office that wrote Sen kerry's "American Power Act" and stands to profit enormously and specifically from it? The legislation on death watch likely to die for good in the November election, that needed a BIG catalyst in order to give the president a 'mandate' to resuscitate it, and drive it thru the senate on the basis of what O is --post blowout --calling "the disasters of the last century's energy source?" The legislation that will eventually crowd out all private enterprise and will nationalize and socialize thru price and regulation, all American commerce?
...and that's to ignore the two recent BP bad accidents in similarly politically sensitive energy areas --retarding investment and begging added layers of regulation in same: Prudhoe Bay and the big refinery in TX where expansion is a hot tater. 760 ''willful and egregious'' OSHA violations in last 3 years, the next two highest, tied at 8 apiece, Conoco and Sun.
Rahm Emanuel living five years before the election in an apt paid for by BP. Eric Holder before AG defender of Chiquita Banana against charges of hiring the Colombian FARC narcoterrorists to kill --literally --the competition, and BP's big cash cow being the paid-for Los Canos field ($8 bbl/yr net) in Colombia, offset the same FARC vulnerability, but without a bit of trouble from those Eric Holder defended fine fellows.
And why, with the oil and gas burning away as if a planned and safe flare-off, did BP insist on the fire boats continuing to spray --saying "the rig will never sink" --until the rig --engineers surmise something had holed the watertight pontoons --the rig DID sink, thus breaking the riser pipe and beginning the oil release into the sea?
I know --i sound like a copy of the well-known conspiracy nutjob. but, jeeez --i mean --jeez --
I can understand your point of view. Here is mine, from an oil field perspective. The tradeoff in the oil field is a little more extreme than in other endeavors. You mess up in the oil field, you can cause your death and the death of your work buddies.
Drilling for oil and gas is always potentially dangerous. It is often routine, but on certain wells, it can be anything but routine. Buddy and I have both been on wells where if we didn't do our job just right, if we slacked off a bit,the possibility of the well blowing became a definite possibility.
There is some phrase to the effect that you don't cut corners downhole. BP did that, and paid the price.
In the oil field, you can do everything right, and S@#$ can happen. However, this was a case where not everything was done right, and S@#$ happened.
It is very important that the Transocean hands on the rig disagreed with what BP did. They knew what BP was proposing was unsafe, not standard operating procedure. There is a reason for doing things by the book: it has been proven to be the safest way.
Read my links.
Messing up on the factory floor can kill you and your buddies. Same with the loading dock, or any workplace where Newtonís laws define the task. Driving a truck, you can even kill bystanders with carelessness.
Everybody gambles. The only difference is the offshore rigs are placing bigger bets. Only maybe the air travel industry makes wagers of the same scale.
All the behaviors and mistakes highlighted in the links are common across humanity. Thereís nothing special about BPs stupidity/shortsightedness. If the cement had held and they "got away with it", it would be the same stupidity. The outcome doesnít change the probability going in.
I am more familiar with trucking, and "the book" is regularly ignored. You can detail the errors, and be upset because you know the risks on a rig. I can do the same when a semi driver falls asleep and hits a schoolbus after falsifying his log, or when a improperly-secured load falls off and crushes a minivan full of nuns. The driver probably knew he was cutting corners, but the dispatcher or the shipper was telling him to just hurry up and make the delivery.
It seems like your insider knowledge gives you more reason the be mad. But Iím still stuck on BDís point that this kind of thing happens all the time. I imagine software people (or any "mind" worker) have the same problems, but their cost-cutting rarely kills anyone.
i sincerely hope you're right, foxmarks --because if you aren't we are in a whole lot more trouble than we thought. And we already thought we were in plenty of trouble --at least i did (not to speak for anyone but yours truly).
I do not mean to say that this spill is something to just shrug off. BP lost a huge HUGE bet, and many innocents are suffering along with the gamblers.
But I think a lot of people are just being mad for the sake of being mad. Or because BP makes an easy target to transfer frustration upon.
Being mad and throwing tantrums doesn't clean up any shoreline. Seems stupid to threaten the people we need to depend upon to solve the problem. Every mental "processor cycle" spent worrying about prosecution or public rage is one cycle not spent ending the damage.
Maybe this is an example of "too big to fail" in the physical/material sense. But we canít extend-and-pretend with a rig explosion like we can with bank accounts.
Foxmarks, thanks for the soothing words. i do understand the value of positivism and equanamity, and the need to go forward and repair what can be repaired. However, it is just that, just that eye on the future, that makes it crucial to identify and cope with the possibility of deliberate attacks, and avoid the temptation to look the other way under the guise of trying to respond to our better angels. Hence there is nothing but necessity to digging into this thing on the basis of the as-yet-unexplained acts of April 20.
Instapundit links to BP info, identifies John Podesta (of the Soros-sponsored Center for American Progress) links to BP.
I went to Center for American Progress' website, and found their oil ideas as of one year ago:
as well as many other far-left, Kremlin's Delight type essays. One that i opened, and found buried in the details a prescription for utterly transforming the Coast Guard command --some puzzling ideas sneaking around among the fluff of patriotic fervor misdirection -