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I get your point about Rembrandt. And further agree that there may be a fine line between conception and execution and the proportional value of each. But still, for me personally, it goes against what I consider a 'true' artist to consider something the artist has never touched 'original'. For the rest, of course I'll defer to Danko as all I know about art is 'what I like', though I might wonder still at Danto's reasoning.
Being a half glass behind the eight ball at the moment... I'd have to say that the two might not be compared. Art and Architecture. The one is obviously attainable by one person, as witnessed by centuries of art. The other... well, never presumed that one person could see his vision come to life depending on his own labor. A matter of perspective, I think. But that doesn't disallow architecture as art, of course.
It's technique isn't it... art and architecture, apples and oranges?
I mean, look at the video of Portus that was linked. That took an artist to envision and engineers to bring to fruition. But then look at, oh hell, I don't know, some famous piece of artwork. The same but different. They both relied on initial vision... but execution... a different matter.
They are also aimed at different audiences, are they not? One the glory of a state, the other the glory of a wall in the study. Or something.
"art 1 |ärt|
1 the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power :"
What's cool about art and all of its myriad forms - and I include some human characteristic/personality traits in that- is that YOU get to be the judge.
"Art should serve as the ax for the frozen sea within us."
"Human life is a sad show, undoubtedly: ugly, heavy and complex. Art has no other end, for people of feeling, than to conjure away the burden and bitterness."
"Art is the imposing of a pattern on experience, and our aesthetic enjoyment is recognition of the pattern."
Alfred North Whitehead
I think those quotations are rather depressing, but when you compare them to Warhol, they are positively uplifting. Warhol messed up the culture with his 'art'. He started the slide into intellectual decadence, in fact:
"What is honored in a country will be cultivated there."
But this is my favorite, and it can apply to anything:
"You must treat a work of art like a great man: stand before it and wait patiently till it deigns to speak."
You stand in front of Warhol and take a bite out of your hot dog and drizzle mustard down your Bermuda shorts, and his 'art' still can't find the words....