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Thursday, June 25. 2009

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Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"; and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."


1 Corinthians 3:18-20

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that was the Christ Notes Daily Bible verse today! good one. anyone interested in receiving them visit: http://www.christnotes.org/email.php.
#1 kab on 2009-06-25 19:45 (Reply)
OK, have it your way...and slightly more accurately, I know nothing at all.
#1.1 KRW on 2009-06-25 21:15 (Reply)
well that's not true--you know a lot. i enjoy your comments. sorry if the site address wasn't right on...i tend to do things half-ass.
#1.1.1 kab on 2009-06-25 21:34 (Reply)
Well that being said, I can't torment a (the?) fan, and since I'm probably going wireless-less for the weekend...The wisdom here is in a sense false humility. The piece itself is wisdom while denying that wisdom is attainable. Turtles, as Lex observes from one of my previous observations of someone much wiser's observation.

Given some time I could probably say this clearer, but wifey is calling for bed. Perhaps best said on a T-shirt I picked up in Annapolis a few years back, "Those of you who think you know everything are an annoyance to those of us who do"...of course all this said by the guy who replied to the wrong comment...To paraphrase the recently late Michael Jackson, blame it on the Belvedere....
#1.1.1.1 KRW on 2009-06-25 22:15 (Reply)
This statement is false.
#2 KRW on 2009-06-25 20:48 (Reply)
"I know nothing at all."

Yes you do. Turtles it is. All the way down.
#2.1 Luther McLeod on 2009-06-25 21:25 (Reply)
what's wrong with it? go to that site and click on daily bible verse.
#3 kab on 2009-06-25 21:05 (Reply)
If I say this was a very wise post, I am not sure what that says about you.
#4 Brian in Idaho on 2009-06-25 22:20 (Reply)
The statement is false because it doesn't make any sense. It is one contradiction after another.
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#5 Meta on 2009-06-25 22:23 (Reply)
Fools should be in the seats of the wise, we all know that much. And are, much of the time.
#6 bob on 2009-06-26 01:23 (Reply)
BD,

You are far more erudite in the words of the Lord than I. Could you explain this quotation, please? It totally escapes me, and as you posted it, maybe you can explain it to one not so wise?
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#7 Meta on 2009-06-26 11:25 (Reply)
Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"; and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

My Take:
Do not deceive yourselves =
( We have a tendency think more highly of our self's than is justified)

IF anyone thinks he is wise by the standards of this age =
(Above average by the world's standard)

he should become a "fool", so that he may become wise =
(Be humble, even to the point of appearing to be a fool )

For wisdom of the world is foolishness in God's sight =
( Self explanatory )

He catches the wise in their craftiness =
( Don't get into a boxing match with God. Your arms too short)

The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile=
( Your wise thoughts produce nothing useful, compared to God's thoughts)

Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are my ways your ways", declares the Lord.
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#8 ron on 2009-06-26 16:00 (Reply)
Thank you for going to the trouble of that, Ron. I'm afraid it still escapes me. It might be the depressing, futile message of it summed up by this:

"The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise are futile=
( Your wise thoughts produce nothing useful, compared to God's thoughts)"

Are there no wise people, then? How do we know God's thoughts without wise men to share them with us, or people wise enough to deduct from the Bible (if you are Christian) God's thoughts? But if God knows the thoughts of the wise are futile, ............ okay, I think I'm more confused as even the wise, of which there are none, don't matter because in the end they produce nothing useful.

The Isaiah quotation is easy, but it is not the same as Corinthians because who compares themselves to God?

Anyway, thanks!
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#8.1 Meta on 2009-06-26 17:29 (Reply)
Ye must be born again, first.
#8.1.1 Leag on 2009-06-30 12:29 (Reply)
Thanks, Ron. I too was waiting for some further erudition from BD and appreciate your efforts. But I'm still confused. Now I was reminded the other night that the problem might lie with me, as in me not being able to understand the doctrine, not that the doctrine might make no sense on its face. Fair enough.

But this quote would seem to be saying that one should never presume that one knows something, or anything, for that matter. That one should just trust in God through his earthly representatives who interpret him to let one know what is wise and what is not.

My feeling is that if that one 'wise' guy who discovered flint, fire, and the advantages of cooked meat had been operating under this verse we'll all still be on the plains of Africa waiting for a burning bush to heat our meal.
#8.2 Luther McLeod on 2009-06-26 21:05 (Reply)

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