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Sunday, March 8. 2009
It's about the pathologizing of opinions you don't agree with. Mind you, I have no problem with ending an exasperating disputation with "You're nuts. I can't discuss this with you."
But that's not a diagnosis. While I am fully aware of group and mass psychological themes, I only confer a diagnosis on those who pay me to do so. Even then, I often cannot give them a label because every person is unique.
I have more science under my belt than 95% of the folks I encounter who dispute my skepticism about AGW. But, in the world of science, the only proper attitude towards anything is skepticism. That's how it works. "Proof" is usually very elusive. We have many theories, few truths, and no Truths.
Brendan O'Neill at Spiked reports on the disease of Anthropogenic Global Warming Denial. One quote:
"Eco-psychologists"? May I conjecture that these people are nuts?
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Dr. Joy ... pathologizing dissent -- what a wonderful concept. It is indeed Orwellian to construct a whole belief system around the fact that one human disagrees with another and therefore the other is crazy. We all like to conclude this sometimes, in our deepest hearts. But we are uneasily aware of the fact that we're being childish if we do it.
The adherents of anthropomorphic global warming have replaced belief in God [a belief which is considered unfashionable and probably evil anyway] with a belief in their own infallibility.
And we're supposed to be crazy? and evil? Hmmmm....
"Beatniks and politics, nothing is new.
A yardstick for lunatics, one point of view."
OK, now you're just baiting me...BTW, what have you done with Meta?
They're coming to take us all away,
they nabbed Meta about a week ago.
Dr. Mercury disappeared before that...hmmm....every seen this obscure film...
Mebbe weez all dayed an ain't nobody tol' us...Now that would 'splain a few things...
Dr. Merc is pursuing other projects. We miss him. He got tired of blogs, I think.
A likely story...And I suppose Meta...hey, wait a minute...wasn't she once rumored to be a sock puppet of the 'Bu Man Crew?
After doing a little checking on the street, seems that Meta might be in the South Seas learning to do that mesmerizing Polynesian grass skirt dancing.. she'll be in search of a hot ukulele picker when she returns to the farm.
jester~, Say it ain't so I've got to tell my Lord so we can save our beloved Queen. I've just got home from a weekend of throwing my father in his wheelchair down the cellar stairs. You know us dagos, we're kind of crazy that way. He enjoys is so much I do it at least 3 or 4 times when I am down there.
I just got caught up reading the previous posts and comments. I want to go OT for a tad, so please forgive me Dr. Joy.
Habu; if you think I am one of those PC tolerant sissy's, you are terribly misguided. I'm about as politically incorrect as one can get. Now I want you to understand this: I admire your sacrifice and your willingness to put yourself in harm's way for the safety of us all. I would never tell you how to man up, how you got that out of my post, I don't know. I don't have a problem with your style. If you want to beat your chest like Tarzan, yell in the jungle and swing from vine to vine with cheetah, (AKA Travis) it doesn't bother me a bit. But realize this, I too am willing to die guarding your style.
If you have no idea how you damaged this site and what lead up to your suspension, I don't want to go there because it hurt a lot of people. And I am not saying you were the sole cause of it. I once made a comment to Meta and told her that I thought she was a wonderful mother, a strong woman, and her children were lucky to have her for a mom. For some reason after I posted that I thought about Mrs. Habu and I think that she must be a wonderfully strong woman, too. I'd even say you are a lucky man to have someone like her. I, like you, have a particular set of skills. I hope you treat your wife with all the love and kindness she deserves. If not I will find you and I will put my foot up your ass.
That's my Liam Neilson impersonation from "Taken."
The gutless comment pissed me off because I don't think we should cannabilize our own. I am going to keep beating this dead horse. We are all on the same page! We are all Americans who love this country dearly, and want what is right and good for her. We may have our differences, hell I know we are all angry and we have to take the pressure valve off the steamer or we are all going to explode. By we I mean the people who post on this site. My best to you and your wife. Stay safe.
You got slammed by the Ratus Beaver comment"I just threw up"
If I find out that Ratus is also June E. Purr. I'm going to put my foot up her ass too!
Nothing wrong with beating a dead horse, Jappy. It's good for the soul. Especially when you make the point so much better than I about the harm certain attitudes can cause around here.
And KRW... not only is Meta MIA but other good, interesting and smart commenters as well I've noticed. I'm quite sure nothing said here would drive Meta away but as for the others... who knows. And before you go too far with those rumors about her being a sock-puppet... let me assure you that she is her own woman and no puppet of anyone. Whether she be learning Polynesian grass skirt dancing or spiking her stiletto heels in someones chest she'll be back in her own due time I suspect.
This may be of interest. A video and a Power Point Presentation by Dr Noah Robinson, and Dr. Art Robinson, who initiated a petition that 31,000 American scientists have signed disputing "Global Warming."
Myth Of Global Warming
Curiosity, not skepticism, is what makes science work.
You are correct. Curiosity is a gift. No lawyer on the planet has that gift.
hahahahahhahaha pardon my laughter but I do enjoy a good laugh now and then and maybe I will have to look at this as a paossibel career change----you think people will pay for eco therapy? damn but we live in a "nutty" world.
Pathologizing dissent is deeper than you imagine, and is a very hard habit to break. I used to have some friends who were "Socialists", and the discussion would end if somebody was accused of horrible "Liberalism" in a nasty enough voice.
Maybe "Racism" is a bad idea, a belief in something that does not work. And maybe it's also hate, a mental state. Even someone who is both wrong and evil is not necessarily diseased, though.
But "Homophobia" is pure diagnosis, totally absent of analysis, and is usually used as an epithet. Sometimes it's really a case of "Divino-phobia", Fear of God, which is, in fact, a cognitive and emotional state. But is clearly not a disease.
The social benefit of epithets like "Racism", "Homophobia" and even "Islamophobia" is that they stop critical thinking, and thereby create some degree of consensus. Likewise for "Nigger-lover", "Queer" and, I suppose, "Towelhead", correspondingly.
If I'm suffering from AGW-denial psychosis, am I entitled to disability benefits now?
Oh, science does have Truths. Or at least it's partner Engineering does. Here's one:
That bridge you cross going to work every day doesn't care if at least 20% of the contractors working on it were minority- or female-owned businesses. It doesn't care if the materials it was built with were extracted using environmentally-sparing techniques. And there's no significance to whether or not the various instructions for it were communicated in English or Spanish and whether or not any non-citizens that built it were called illegal aliens or undocumented workers.
What does matter is if it wasn't made of the right grade of steel and was built using the proper physical principles. Because if it wasn't it'll fall down, even if you took care to do everything else that I listed above according to current PC usage.