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Wednesday, July 14. 2021
Today Marco Rubio made a statement on Cuba that is both timely for the citizens of that nation and for those of us here in the US. "We don’t just condemn this tyranny. We condemn this communist, this Marxist, this socialist tyranny.” Rubio then demanded that America make “clear about whose side we’re on.”
“The first lesson we need to take away from it is that Marxism, socialism, doesn’t work."
Rubio continued, “The way socialism, the way Marxism has always worked, the way it’s always empowered itself, is it goes to the people and immediately divides them. It says there is an oppressor class and that there is this victim class and these evil oppressors, capitalists, in the case of socialism or traditional Marxism, they oppress the victims.”
I visited Cuba several years ago, when I had the opportunity. I felt it was a good chance to see Communism in action, and to see a nation that is (rather literally) stuck in the late 50's and early 60's (and earlier, based on some of the cars I rode in). I was clear that the people, as we are seeing now, want freedom. Many know that Castro hoodwinked them, but once in, there was little they could do to get him out. Castro was good at convincing many, whose families at one time had little or nothing, that his way was 'better'. Over the years, most have learned this is simply not true. Cubans are now aware of the reality of the world, mainly because of (in spite of the government's restrictions) the internet. They lack many modern conveniences and opportunities. But they are not lacking in skill or entrepreneurialism. A nation that can survive, and thrive, in the face of communist limitations says more about its people than it does about its government or system.
I wish the Cuban people well and hope they can somehow manage to toss off their yoke of oppression. If they do, Venezuela's tyrants may not last for long, as Cuba is their last reasonably-sized supporter in this hemisphere.
Cuba still has a lot to offer, and we can hope the people find a path forward in spite of Biden's insistence to avoid the obvious. I notice Bernie and AOC, both believers that Cuba is somehow special and different and 'better' than the US, have been silent. Rubio hit the nail on the head, though, and within his statements, he was taking a swipe at BLM, Antifa, and the other leftists in the Democratic Party.
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My general impression, based on knowing dozens of Cubans, is that they are intelligent, hard-working, and naturally good business people.
Without the "revolution" (it was actually a coup) they'd be the Hong Kong of the Western Hemisphere.
Unfortunately the legacy of the CastroBros is a hardened militaristic thugocracy, and they have strong connections with Venezuela and Nicaragua, I would imagine, mutual aid agreements. Unwinding it will take longer term sanctions, to begin with - like the ones Trump put into place and the First Politician-With-No-Cognition just rescinded.
I so tire of this stupid line that "communisim doesn't work". It works perfectly for the subhuman vermin who administer it. It's as retarded as saying "government schools are failing". They aren't ailing. They're doing exactly what they are for. To to give dipshit government workers a standard of living their intelligence could never earn them in the marketplace in return for their votes.
Amen! I've been saying for years that all these government programs that are called "failures" are actually quite successful. The only reason people think they're failures is because they judge the program by it's stated purpose instead of it's real purpose, which is to create good-paying jobs for bureaucrats. And, of course, the best way to increase your budget and your staff in a bureaucracy is to fail at your stated purpose.
Joe Biden: We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime.
Bernie Sanders: All people have the right to protest and to live in a democratic society. I call on the Cuban government to respect opposition rights and refrain from violence.
Ohmydear Zach, you really are deluded if you think both of the, 1) wrote those statements themselves, 2) believe what they just said.
missred: Ohmydear Zach, you really are deluded if you think both of the, 1) wrote those statements themselves, 2) believe what they just said.
This may be difficult to understand for someone who has marinated in Trumpism over the last four years, but such a statement would not have been riffed, but would have gone through a review process, including with the State Department, to consider its effects on events in Cuba and international relations, and represents not just the view of the President, but the position of the United States.
Meanwhile, where the rubber meets the road....
People fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat will not be allowed to enter the U.S., even if they demonstrate fear of being persecuted or tortured in their home countries, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warned on Tuesday.
Christopher B: Source
Which according to your source, is a decades-long policy of the United States.
That's a flat lie.
Between 1966 and 1995, the US accepted Cuban refugees who reached US territorial waters with certain limited exceptions. In 1995 Bill Clinton, who also sent armed federal agents to kidnap a child and forcibly return to him to Castro's dictatorship, instituted the 'feet wet/feet dry' policy of only accepting Cuban refugees who made it to US soil but they were still admitted under the Cuban Adjustment Act.
It was only in 2017 that Obama declared Cuban refugees would repatriated to Cuba regardless of where they were encountered, effectively nullifying the Cuban Adjustment Act.
Zachriel: Which according to your source, is a decades-long policy of the United States.
Christopher B: That's a flat lie.
Um, that's what your source said: "For decades, the U.S. government has been turning back the vast majority of migrants encountered at sea." So it wasn't a lie, though the source you provided could be wrong.
Christopher B: Between 1966 and 1995, the US accepted Cuban refugees who reached US territorial waters with certain limited exceptions.
Let's see. 2021-1995 = 2½ decades. According you what you just posted, it seems the source was correct, after all.
Christopher B: In 1995 Bill Clinton, who also sent armed federal agents to kidnap a child
You mean return the child to his father.
Christopher B: It was only in 2017 that Obama declared Cuban refugees would repatriated to Cuba regardless of where they were encountered, effectively nullifying the Cuban Adjustment Act.
Cubans are now treated like other immigrants and can apply for asylum.
I no longer respond to a certain person's posts, as he is generally a troll living in his mother's basement eating Doritos and attempting to make music.
However, he did post Bernie and Biden's 'comments' as if they were meaningful and full of some kind of useful information.
However, Biden's comment didn't excoriate or denounce the Cuban government for its policies or its oppression. Neither did Bernie's. Biden only referenced the pandemic, as if that was all the people were protesting. But it isn't all they are protesting. He also referenced suffering under an 'authoritarian regime'. But that's the least of the issues, and he knows it. It was a bare minimum of a response.
Bernie simply said people have a right to protest and that the government shouldn't be violent. Make no mistake, if he had his druthers, he'd be very violent toward anyone protesting him if he took power.
These guys are clowns, and their supporters will find the bare minimum necessary to say "see? you're wrong. They said something" just so the literal concept of their silence is 'falsified'. Biden could've just as easily said "We stand with the people and their right to protest in the sun and have a good time without government interference" and that would be considered enough for anyone that supports him and his ilk. Don't forget Bernie DOES support authoritarianism and does not support a democratic society. He honeymooned in the USSR and has rarely said a bad thing about any communist nation. Also Bernie: "I remember, for some reason or another, being very excited when Fidel Castro made the revolution in Cuba," he said, while speaking at the University of Vermont in 1986. "I was a kid ... and it just seemed right and appropriate that poor people were rising up against rather ugly rich people." He, of course, followed all this up with praise for Cuban lines for food, comments on how well Castro 'educated' the people, and various other supporting comments. Yeah, Bernie is a lover of democracy....
These were clearly riffs. Possibly provided by someone else, possibly reviewed - because these guys cannot think for themselves. One has dementia the other is demented. So hand-holding and support is absolutely necessary.
Remember when the liberal progressives complained about the "Old White Man" problem the US has? Yeah, that wasn't too long ago. Funny how they have an "Old White Man" problem now...and ignore it.
No, Biden wasn't completely silent, and Bernie may as well keep his mouth shut based on his comments. AOC remains silent...though I'm sure someone will find a comment from her along the lines of "I love the Cuban people and their ability to say what they want" as some kind of support that she believes in freedom, and that the Cuban government believes in freedom.
They support the freedom of the Cuban people as long as they don't try to jettison socialism, which would be seriously embarrassing. The two most revealing aspects of the fake response by Democratic leaders are (1) the attempt to blame the uprising on COVID anxiety and (2) the insistence that we must protect our borders against these asylum seekers, who have a special quality that must not be named. That's the stink of fear.
As someone joked years ago, if D leadership ever starts to think that immigrants will vote Republican, there will be a border wall you can see from space.
What happens to them if they come across the border in South Texas?
Aggie: What happens to them if they come across the border in South Texas?
Once a refugee reaches U.S. soil, they can apply for asylum if they qualify. The political right has generally resisted allowing asylum, but that is still U.S. law, consistent with international norms.
Aggie: Today's irony moment.
Please explain. Are you suggesting that the U.S. should admit all refugees?
Been saying that for years about Dems cutting off immigration if they thought they voted R (like most of the Cubans) but hadn't heard the one about the wall visible from space before. Best laugh of the day, Thanks!
Bulldog: However, Biden's comment didn't excoriate or denounce the Cuban government for its policies or its oppression.
Well, that's false. He directly referred to "decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime."
Bulldog: They said something" just so the literal concept of their silence is 'falsified'.
Yes, the claim that Biden was silent is false, and he explicitly supported the Cuban people's "clarion call for freedom."
I've been studying the Spanish-American War of 1898.
America supported the Cuban people against the harsh oppression on the Spanish Empire. When the USS Maine blew up in Havana Harbor, it was the last straw.
We of course had strong strategic interest in getting the Spanish out of the Western Hemisphere, especially in anticipation of a canal across the Isthmus of Panana.
Today, our interest is ejecting Communists neighbors of any sort.
Should we sent troops? I think not.
How about "leakage" of guns and ammo into Cuba? Maybe but the trajectory looks like the regime could fall peaceful. The sooner the better.