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Sunday, March 19. 2017Havana DreamingI will recommend, for anyone who can, visit Cuba now. On one level, it will provide a great appreciation for everything we have in the US. In addition, the food is so good (and inexpensive) you will wonder how they got so many great chefs. Finally, the culture is unparalleled, an amazing amalgamation of past and present. Visiting Cuba provoked many thoughts about what could have been, as well as visions of the past. I will post as many as I can, but I will start with a simple travelogue. It’s the best way to introduce the country, and the city of Havana, without provoking much commentary about such a wonderful destination. Still untouched in many ways, clearly this will not be the same country in 10, and possibly even 5, years. There is a raw beauty to Cuba. It is almost impossible to not fall in love with this country upon arrival. The people are friendly, the climate nearly perfect, while the cityscapes of Havana and surrounding country retain an air of the not-so-distant past. Bt, it is a crumbling place, the majority of exteriors falling apart, much of the infrastructure antiquated and in need of update, and modern services and conveniences (for locals who can’t afford to pay) subpar. Even tourist spots are in the process of updating. They are improving rapidly. Often, entering a building you are convinced must be a hole-in-the-wall, only to find a modern and beautiful interior with wonderful food and music. The reasons for this multi-layered texture are manifold, some of which provoke more argument than I care for at this point. That discussion is for another post. Suffice to say you can still see much of the 1950’s culture here, but a nation struggling desperately to be modern and up-to-date. As a destination, it is unmatched in my travels. I loved my time in Italy, where I spent 2 weeks driving around with my family. I’ve spent 2 weeks in Ireland, lived in the UK, was in Austria and the Czech Republic for 2 weeks last summer, and have visited various Caribbean islands, as well as Bermuda. Cuba, however, reminds me, oddly, of Budapest. Not all of Budapest, but the portion where you step off the train and look around and think “Is this still an Eastern European Communist country?” At least when you walk through Budapest, there are portions which have been updated, kept clean, and there is revived infrastructure. Not in Havana or most of Cuba. Havana is a vibrant, fun city – but confused about what its identity is and its infrastructure is still in need of improvement. In contrast, Vinales, the agricultural center of the nation, has amazing beauty and while it has also been stuck in the late 1950’s in many ways, the rural culture hasn’t required much catching up. There are plenty of new places to eat and sleep, and people are encouraged to do so. New bikes and motorcycles are available for rental, and horseback riding is a great adventure (which we sadly did not take part in). While it is the agricultural center, tobacco remains the primary product since the yellow soil is determined to be the best in the world for growing the crop. We visited a plantation where we were shown the recent harvest drying, and were told the government comes to take “90%, and we get 20%.” The government takes the best tobacco for the state-certified cigars (Cohiba, Romeo y Julieta, and Monte Cristo), but you can be sure much of the best remains behind. I am not a cigar smoker, but the one hand-rolled in the drying hut was handed to me. I smoked a good portion of it before handing it to my sons. I have never had as smooth tasting a cigar as this. I savored the smoke and while cigars typically make me sick, this was almost delicious. We walked from the drying hut and the guide showed us other fruits growing on the plantation, such as cacao (chocolate), mangos (which aren’t harvested until May), papaya, and coffee. We were served rich, thick jet fuel Cuban coffee at the main house, and the guide slyly asked me “Blanco?” I replied “Si,” thinking I was adding milk to mine. Instead, he handed me a shot glass of local Cuban rum that was absolutely delicious. The plantation chief was introduced to us, and was as friendly as you’d expect. He asked my two boys who was older, and the 22 year old raised his hand. “Are you rich?” My son shrugged, and said “We’re American?” The chief laughed and grabbed his arm shouting “Thalia!” A beautiful young woman walked out, saw what her father was doing, smiled and waved and said “No thanks.” Her father pretended to be crestfallen, “You have a handsome young American here to see you.” Parents can be a pill sometimes. This is still a very male-dominated culture. Almost all our guides whistled at the women, and one continually shouted “Hello blondie” whenever he saw a blonde. While it’s clear they are generally harmless, it’s a glaring differentiation in culture. US social warriors wouldn’t stand for this kind of behavior. Another differentiation is with the black people. While Cubans clearly identify as a single entity, they are not shy about the differences in outward appearance. Our tour guide in Vinales, at the end of the plantation tour, suggesting I give our plantation guide a tip, said “Hand the black boy 2-3 CUC (tourist, convertible, currency roughly pegged to the dollar), however much you want.” Our guide and the plantation guide were very close friends, hugging each other heartily when they saw each other, and sharing a cigar. Yet the use of that term didn’t bother the plantation guide a whit. I contrast this with an experience I had at the Plaza de la Revolucion, where I was asked to take a picture of a young couple. When I did so, they quickly asked where I was from. I told them New York. They said “Finally! We haven’t met any other Americans, mostly Canadians, so it’s nice to meet someone who is from the same place.” They were from Houston, a young black couple, and we shared some of our experiences and laughed about the cultural items we found amazingly different. He stated “When I was younger, I didn’t appreciate living in the US. Then I joined the military and traveled and came to realize the US is one of the best places on earth to live in. I had been growing jaded recently, and coming here has reconfirmed my faith in what makes us great.” I heartily agreed. I commented later to my family that it is wonderful to be able to share thoughts like that, and common travel experiences, with people who share our culture – in spite of the social justice warrior nonsense we deal with back home (sorry for the brief socio-political rant, but it helped outline part of the overall travel experience). We visited the Buena Vista Social Club. My sons felt this was a tourist trap, and perhaps it is, of a sort. The meal and a show (3 ½ hours of food and entertainment) costs 60 CUC. That is extraordinarily high. But this is a government/private cooperative outlet, so the higher prices are not surprising. The food was average, at best. Nothing to get excited about. The stars who appeared are well-known in Cuban culture. They are Grammy winners, have appeared at Carnegie Hall, traveled the world as ambassadors of Cuban culture. But it is Latin American schtick, in many ways. I found it enjoyable, my wife and sons felt it was a waste of money and we left early, to my dismay. I tried to explain to my sons that as much as this was schtick, it was also an attempt to revive what made the culture great at one time. It was not unlike going to see Frank Sinatra, or Elvis Presley, in Vegas. It wasn’t the real thing, but as close an approximation as you’ll get today. While most of the audience was comprised of 60+ year-old denizens of cruise ships, I noticed 3 young Cuban families (the stars asked, and they all identified themselves) who were very excited to see these stars entertain them. At 60 CUC, not many Cubans can afford to visit the Buena Vista Social Club. It’s easily several months of savings on a government salary, and at least a month on a private salary. History is everywhere, and it is unavoidable. Morro Castle dominates the old Havana town (and is visible if you zoom in on the picture to the left). The Malecon (in the picture) is the social center of the city. Hemingway House is on the eastern fringes of the city, and Embassy Row on the western avenues (with Fidel and Raul having their own homes just past the western fringes of the city). Near the embassies is the eclectic art colony of Fusterlandia, which is worth a visit. We had only 5 days, and to really enjoy the rest of Cuba will require a return visit. We didn’t travel to other wonderful places like Matanzas, Cienfuegos, Trinidad, Santa Clara or Santiago. To do so would take at least 2 full weeks. I’d like to dive in the Bay of Pigs, where we are told the very best scuba diving is. I’d also like to visit the eastern tobacco regions, spend some nights in Trinidad and Cienfuegos. Another time, hopefully soon. Cuba is not much further away than Bermuda (the flight is only about 1 hour longer, though customs adds considerable time) from NYC, but it is much less expensive than any other Caribbean destination. Flight and an AirBnb room for 4 was only $2,300 for 5 days. Breakfast in the AirBnb was optional, 5 CUC per person, each day (cheap) and we got a full meal of eggs, papaya, fresh squeezed juices (papaya, watermelon, pineapple), slices of papaya, fresh banana, coffee, tea, and fresh rolls and butter. I didn’t mention the classic cars, since they require a section on their own. They range in prices. While the average government cab is 25 CUC from the airport to Havana, a classic car will be upwards of 60. 2 additional hours will be another 60. A full day (830 am to 630 pm) will be upwards of 250. We liked our drivers and treated them to lunch. They will take you to excellent restaurants (I get the feeling there are kickbacks for bringing you to certain places), but will join you to eat only if invited. Ours spoke excellent English and had many funny stories to tell. Our primary driver, Yuri Garcia, couldn’t take us to Vinales, and only showed us Havana. He avoided old town Havana, saying it’s a walking tour and not fit for driving (he’s right), and drove us through many other neighborhoods. He works with Classico Autos, based down by Bahia Havana. If you have a week to spend someplace and are looking for an inexpensive locale, this is the place. Trackbacks
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Cuba was my grandpa's favorite vacation spot. He and his sporting pals would go down for a week or two every winter for sport fishing and who knows what else.
Batista was a bad guy but ran a decent island. Castro was an evil guy and turned it into a sh-thole. Batista had many flaws, and we should not have supported him. I agree the island was better maintained and that Castro ruined it, but at least his motivations were (originally) justifiable.
Castro had no real political affinities and only a loose association to Marxism. He was primarily concerned with avoiding the imperialist interventions of the US (in particular) and any other nation. It was Che who really launched the Marxist path. There's no doubt Fidel was evil, just as bad as Batista in many ways, if not more. But from the standpoint of the locals, the shift in their El Jefe was meaningful. At least now the wealth wasn't flaunted while they had nothing. Now they had little somethings. Meaningless in the grand scheme, but meaningful to them. Fidel was masterful in that regard. That said, Cuba is slowly moving down the capitalist path again. The rejuvenation of the center of Havana plows tourist dollars into a private consortium which is largely managed by the few remaining architects, and (at least on the surface) keeps political interference to a minimum. The goal is to avoid turning Havana into a Disneyland, and upgrades are done in the spirit of the past, maintaining as much color and past architecture as possible. In addition, the upgrades will not push out the facilities which neighborhoods require (schools, old age and rehab centers). Over time, perhaps, this will change. But for now, it's a good path to take the island to a better place via privatization, which is happening slowly but discernibly. My own apartment is owned by a couple who own several rooms and rent out on AirBnb (a communist nation with AirBnb allowed should speak boatloads of where they are headed.....there really aren't enough hotels). The premise (which is logical) is that the people can choose how to use their property and help limit the intrusions of large multinational corporations which might change the look and feel of the region. The long term success of this will be determined by how well the people adopt their increasing and new found freedoms or find the government reverting to oppressive behaviors. Oh yeah! I'll just restate the obvious" The road to Hell is paved with GOOD INTENTIONS!
Agreed.
But when you have nothing except promises, who would you have trusted? A wealthy man, dining in his palace, flaunting his wealth and keeping only his cronies in tight. A man living in the hills with a relatively ragtag group fighting a guerrilla war 'for you' so that you can have more when you have nothing. It's not hard to understand his appeal. The people were uneducated, illiterate, and often starving. It doesn't mean they were right. It just means intentions count for something. As I said to my family "Cuba is proof that popular doesn't mean better." His popular revolution didn't keep pace with the rest of the world. But when you had nothing in 1958 and 67 acres in 1962, you might have a different point of view. It's not hard to understand his appeal. The people were uneducated, illiterate, and often starving. It doesn't mean they were right. It just means intentions count for something.
I suggest you consult Renaissance and Decay.
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Gringo
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2017-03-19 20:58
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Castro had no real political affinities and only a loose association to Marxism. He was primarily concerned with avoiding the imperialist interventions of the US (in particular) and any other nation. It was Che who really launched the Marxist path.
Che met Castro in Mexico, so by your admission, Castro was already Marxist in 1956 when he took the Granma from Mexico to Cuba to launch his revolution. Georgie Ann Geyer, in Guerilla Prince, her biography of Castro, points out that rather than "avoiding US Imperialist intervention," Castro's interest from his adolescence on was more oriented towards caudillos/despots. Geyer discusses Castro's time at Colegio de Belén, a Jesuit boarding school, from which Castro graduated in 1945. QUOTE: With this ideological background of the time, Fidel clearly revealed who his heroes were in his personal life. He walked soberly around the campus with a copy of Mein Kampf (La Lucha] under his arm; in his room he had a map on his wall upon which he charted the movements and successes of the Axis armies across Europe; for hours, he would stand before a mirror holding a primitive, early recorder, and mimicking Mussolini's speech over and over again. ... For another similarity between Mussolini's words and Fidel's consider this famous Mussolini phrase. (not in Geyer's book)The brash and daring Mussolini offered a still more interesting role model for Fidel, who later taught his people to shout to him, ¡Comandante en Jefe, Ordene! Comandante,tell us what to do, words which were uncannily similar to Mussolini's exhortations to his crowds to Credere, Obbidire, Combattere ("Believe, Obey, Fight"). Always Mussolini played endlessly on the theme of the rich versus the poor nations... But by far Fidel's premiere model and hero-until late into his life- was the Spanish Falangist José Antonio Primo de Rivera, the Spanish caudillo and thinker who founded the Spanish Fascist Party, the Falange Espanola in October 1933, and who lived from 1903 to 1936....... Primo's curious catchphrase "constant plebiscite of public opinion" was also to become a basi concept of Fidel Castro's political thought and a direct predecessor of Fidel's "direct democracy." QUOTE: “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” From FidelQUOTE: “Within the Revolution, everything. Against the Revolution, nothing." The similarity here between Mussolini and Castro point to Castro's borrowing from Mussolini's phrase. At his trial for his failed coup de-etat in 1954, Castro spoke these words, which later became famous. The following quotes are from Geyer. QUOTE: Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me. Geyer points out that another failed coupster uttered rather similar words.QUOTE: There is one more important facet to the "History will Absolve Me" speech. Listen to these words. "For it is not you, gentleman, who pass judgment on us. That judgment is spoken by the eternal court of history...You may pronounce us guilty a thousand times over, but the goddess of the eternal court of history will smile and tear to tatters the brief of the state prosecutor and the sentence of this court. For she acquits us. " As Geyer points out, it is "no accident" that Castro's phrasing is similar here to Hitler's.Those words were spoken by Adolf Hitler at the end of his Rathous Putsch trial in 1924, after his attempt that November 9 to take over the German government by attacking the War Ministry in Munich with three thousand storm troopers. Castro was from an early age a caudillo wannabe . His speeches borrowed from Mussolini and Hitler. Actually, there is no record of the "History will Absolve me" speech except for the memory of Castro. He put what he remembered to paper, and no doubt did much borrowing along the way. He was well-read and no doubt read those sources.
As for me 'admitting' that he was a Marxist in Mexico, no. He certainly had leanings which were in development, but I said Che set them on the path. After all, it was Che who was put in charge of education (indoctrination) and agrarian reform (which would happen no matter what, the question was how), as well as the currency. At the time of the completion of the Revolution, Castro was closer to Che than Cienfuegos, and many believe Cienfuegos may have been killed deliberately because his behavior at nightclubs was becoming an embarrassment. This seems unlikely, but it certainly has some level of possibility. Castro didn't like competition. Che was happily sent abroad so Castro could consolidate his power, and Che returned and found himself on the outside, which is probably why he agreed to go foment more revolution (a little full of himself and his presumed skills). But Castro would likely have worked with the US if we'd allowed him to. Just not on the same terms as Batista. He didn't have a great hatred for the US until we'd done much to try and undermine the revolution. I am by no means saying Castro was good for Cuba, or that his methods acceptable. But you do have to put yourself in the position of the people and consider your opportunities. Many of them supported Castro for obvious reasons. If not for overblown promises, there is in Cuba a culture of respect for machismo behavior and El Jefe. Batista wasn't loved, and as the end neared, he became soft in the eyes of Cubans. Batista took the money and ran when Santa Clara fell. He couldn't muster the kind of support Castro had. We can't sit and judge Castro without judging who we had aligned ourselves with. Batista was just as brutal. His one saving grace was that he allowed outsiders in. Over time, Cuba could have developed effectively. Castro was forced to let outsiders in (they literally had nothing) but chose his partners poorly. Unfortunately, some of these partners were arms he was forced into. I can't appreciate Castro, but I come from a very different background than the people of Cuba. When you consider where they were, it's easy to see his appeal. You also can't say he didn't deliver the goods. Sure, on the outside we KNOW Cuba didn't develop as fast as other nations in the region. But the people don't see that. You can't blame them. All they know is that they were starving, illiterate and couldn't really afford any health care. After Castro that wasn't as true as it was before. In addition, they no longer saw rich foreigners showing up and flaunting wealth they could never attain. I appreciate seeing Cuba today. It's a testament to the strength of the people that they are as entrepreneurial as they are. I refuse to judge a nation solely based on its government, I prefer to judge it on the people. If I judge a nation based on its government I'd have more than enough bad things to say about our own, even now with Obama gone. We may be better than most, but you can't judge yourself based on others - only on who you were yesterday. The more you write the less I find the implied ethics credible.
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Ten
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2017-03-19 19:02
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I'm not engaging ethics. You are imputing your own.
I'm not saying - and have not said - Castro was 'good'. I simply say that you can't judge from here and based on only US sources. You have to meet the people. Most of the people there have a very different point of view. I've now seen both sides. I worked for an organization run by Cuban exiles. My boss' family lost their tobacco farm in Vinales. He fought in the Bay of Pigs. I've also seen people who 'benefited' from Castro's reforms, as well as Raul Castro's opening up to privatization. Your imputation of ethics implies only one thing - that somehow Castro is very bad, and all people should see this and understand it. I agree. But beyond that, you fail to understand key points. Such as the US backed Batista, who was also ruthless. That the US attempted to overthrow Castro or assassinate him many times, which explains why he would crack down further and push back more against the US. You may know Cubans who lost everything (I do), and I am sympathetic to their cause. But you can't sit here and pretend that Castro didn't earn the respect he has from the people there. Visit the country before you pass judgement. It's easy to walk away and spout on and on about the downsides, there are plenty (I listed them below in another comment). But there is so much good there, too. Denying the people the opportunity to prove themselves is as bad as allowing Castro to subjugate them.
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Bulldog
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2017-03-19 19:20
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I'm not engaging ethics.
Indeed; you're avoiding them, allowing dynamics involving lives to be simple alternatives to one another, pragmatizing them as you go. Name me where in life ethics don't apply. There's so many misdirects, relativities, and fallacies in the piece I'm replying to that this time I'm not going to bother further, except to say that if you're going to revise what I wrote, impute what you think I think, or somehow, what I know, I've no reason to bother. Weren't you the guy who once said that it's entirely morally permissible to play the Wall Street casino (skimming from the other gamblers) as long as it wasn't you who built the place? That this sheer opportunism was 'investing'? Name me where in life ethics don't apply. I've noticed that for putative realists, conservatives, and Christians that this blog takes real hits from time to time for defying those sensibilities. Evidently many of those hits are entirely justified.
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Ten
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2017-03-19 20:41
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Castro was forced to let outsiders in (they literally had nothing) but chose his partners poorly. Unfortunately, some of these partners were arms he was forced into.
By the fall of 1959, when Huber Matos was arrested and jailed for protesting the Communist direction of the Cuban Revolution, the writing was on the wall. By the fall of 1959, you are thus informing us,"Castro was forced to let outsiders in."
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Gringo
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2017-03-19 20:42
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Actually, there is no record of the "History will Absolve me" speech except for the memory of Castro. He put what he remembered to paper, and no doubt did much borrowing along the way. He was well-read and no doubt read those sources.
If that were so, my point- Geyer's point- is not refuted. Whether Castro actually said "Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me" at his trial or merely invented it decades later, Castro owned up to the words. The connection with Hitler's speech at his Putsch trial is there. Recall that Castro walked around his high school campus with a copy of Mein Kampf. No, Castro wasn't an anti-Semite on the order of Hitler- some sources say that Castro is a Converso surname- but as a caudillo wannabe, Castro definitely studied Hitler. But Castro would likely have worked with the US if we'd allowed him to. Just not on the same terms as Batista. He didn't have a great hatred for the US until we'd done much to try and undermine the revolution. Fidel Castro letter to Celia Sanchez, June 5, 1958 says otherwise. QUOTE: Sierra Maestra That letter says to me that Fidel intended to combat the US, regardless of how "cooperative" the US government was. Ironically, by the time of the letter, the US had cut off arms shipments to Batista. June 5-58 Celia: At seeing the rockets fired at the house of Mario, I have sworn to myself that the Americans are going to pay dearly for what they are doing. When this war ends, for me will begin a much longer and bigger war: the war that I am going to wage against them. I realize that that will be my true destiny. Fidel In addition, from the beginning, Castro and Che made it clear the goal of exporting the Cuban Revolution, a goal which would inevitably put it on a collision course with the US government. QUOTE: Less than a month after the revolutionary movement took control in Cuba early in 1959, Ernesto “Che” Guevara declared, “‘The Revolution is not limited to the Cuban nation.”1 And in March 1959 Fidel Castro stated, “The Caribbean is ours.”2 In July 1960 Castro bluntly declared, “We promise to continue making [Cuba] the example that can convert the Cordillera of the Andes into the Sierra Maestra of the American continent.”3 This was not mere rhetoric; the Castro regime matched actions to words. Exiles of diverse nationalities and political stripes flocked into Cuba following the rebel victory, and those deemed to be ideologically acceptable—especially by Guevara, the government’s in-house international expert—received moral support and military assistance in the form of training and equipment. Do you really believe that the US could have "worked with" someone who in high school recited Mussolini speeches and carried around a copy of Mein Kampf, and who from the beginning, tried to export his revolution? As they say in Venezuela, tell me another cowboy story.The first Cuban aggressive effort was directed against Panama. In an amateurish and near-comical venture 84 expeditionaries, 82 of whom were Cuban, landed at Nombre de Dios, an almost inaccessible village on the Caribbean coast of Panama. The invaders had to be “rescued” by the Panamanian National Guard, which utilized a landing barge borrowed from U.S. authorities in the Canal Zone. After a brief stay in a Panamanian jail, the invaders were sent back to Cuba with a stern warning. One Cuban stayed behind; he decided to marry a Panamanian girl he had met at Nombre de Dios. Cuba was not deterred by this fiasco. In June 1959, coordinated air and sea landings of expeditionaries, armed in and launched from Cuba, took place in the Dominican Republic. All but a few of the invaders were killed by Dominican forces. In August 1959 another invasion group infiltrated Haiti from Cuba, and it, too, was wiped out. In Nicaragua also an insurgency, which had received an arms shipment by plane from Cuba, was quelled. These four attempts to establish guerrilla operations in Caribbean-area countries having failed, the Cuban government developed more sophisticated subversive techniques. No more filibustering expeditions would be launched from Cuba. Instead other tactics were employed: Cuban diplomats provided financial aid to pro-Castro groups in the Latin American countries. Cuban fishing boats slipped weapons ashore to be used by insurgent movements. Propaganda was beamed from powerful Cuban shortwave stations, circulated through Cuban diplomatic missions, and distributed by the Prensa Latina news service. (Prensa Latina was organized by Jorge Ricardo Masetti, an Argentine friend of Guevara’s who would die a few years later leading a Castroite guerrilla movement in Argentina.)
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Gringo
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2017-03-19 19:45
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At the time of the completion of the Revolution, Castro was closer to Che than Cienfuegos,
As of January 1, 1959, I assume you mean. What basis do you have to make that claim? The show trials and executions in early 1959, certainly done at Castro's behest, had more of the flavor of Che than of Camilo Cienfuegos. Especially since Che was in charge of many of the executions. and many believe Cienfuegos may have been killed deliberately because his behavior at nightclubs was becoming an embarrassment. This seems unlikely, but it certainly has some level of possibility. I have read extensively on Cuba, but have never read that. Your source? Geyer in Guerrilla Prince sees the killing of Camilo Cienfuegos as a result of his reluctance to arrest Huber Matos. Matos was a former guerrilla who didn't like the Communist direction the Cuban Revolution was taking. He was arrested in the fall of 1959 and spent 21 years in prison. QUOTE: That Camilo was far more a romantic revolutionary than a Communist is beyond question. In those changing months of the fall of 1959, he had expressed to several people close to him his concerns about the probable fate of Matos, whom he liked. Additionally, close observers at the time say that Cienfuefos originally refused to accept an order from Raul to arrest Matos and that Castro had to personally order him to do it. It was also known that Camilo and Raul hated each other, and Matos himself is convinced that his imprisonment and Camilo's strange and unsolved death are related. Behavior at nightclubs? You do point out that is unlikely."There was only one single week between my arrest and the disappearance of Camilo," Matos told me. There is no question that they killed Camilo, for my arrest put Camilo in a position of crisis. He had to discuss me with Fidel. When Fidel saw in him an attitude that wasn't one of unconditional support..." He shook his head, then continued, "Camilo told me that he was in a very difficult situation. In fact, he sent me a message in jail, warning me that I should not allow it to go to trial."
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Gringo
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2017-03-19 20:31
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Bulldog:
and many believe Cienfuegos may have been killed deliberately because his behavior at nightclubs was becoming an embarrassment. This seems unlikely, but it certainly has some level of possibility. Gringo: I have read extensively on Cuba, but have never read that. Your source? Wiki: Camilo Cienfuegos QUOTE: In the words of U.S. Ambassador Philip Bonsal, Cienfuegos enjoyed Havana's nightlife and he "may have had a penchant for friendships and associations deemed undesirable by some of his more austere revolutionary comrades".[4]
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Gringo
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2017-03-20 07:01
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Cuba paid a half-century penance of poverty, tyranny, and misery in order to throw out the unmitigated scourge of some guys having Mohitos in the 50's.
Cuba, of all the places to submit to that cultural torture, and for so long. Ironically, the places in the world the Politically Correct see fit to excoriate for reasons neither can possibly grasp, at least this place remained, by and large, exactly as it was before the glorious revolution that was to have liberated it, where it remains a museum piece for those PC assholes to fawn over more than 50 years later. They made it and now in their minds, it serves them anew as they peer in from the other side of the glass. For fear of the great wrath of our betters, this dynamic we still can't so much as refer to as unfortunate. It's stunning to realize how much of "modern" life succumbs to sheer clinical delusion. Why humanity falls to its fevered myths and aggressions I cannot fathom, even in an abstract, clinical sense. Cuba is top of my list. Doubt I'll ever go, but the music alone is beyond enticing... I recommend going.
It's changing, and changing rapidly. People are indeed fooled by what happened there. Many people believe "socialism works" and point to Cuba. They fail to understand the amount of BS the left wing propagandists here in the US have allowed themselves to fall for. It's a poor nation, and not by any particular standard. It's just flat-out poor. The BEST among the population are those who are lucky enough to have private jobs (mostly tourist centered, though many private businesses are popping up - although I didn't see a Starbucks, I did see Benetton and L'Oreal), or work directly in the government. Case in point. Our breakfast was made, and served by the woman who lived in the apartment below ours. Her family had lived there for many years, while ours was owned by a couple who somehow were able to own several apartments (in Cuba, you can do this as long as each one is in separate names and have been in the family since the Revolution). The woman who made breakfast no doubt bought the food (all fresh and excellent) at the local market for CUP (local currency which is 1/125 of CUC). Let's say a banana cost me 1 CUC, it would cost her 1 CUP. But I paid her 5 CUC for my breakfast. She made a great profit on this, as many people do, and it's still cheap for me. She was very nice and I tipped her at the end because of the assistance she provided us. The people are learning, and they are learning fast. The one benefit of the Revolution was improved education. These are not the illiterates Batista was happy to keep in their place. These are at least high-school educated people who know how to live their lives effectively. Cuba will be a full fledged Western nation in no time, barring a government retrenchment. Which is always possible. But we can hope the intelligence of the population now is higher than it was when Fidel took over, and hopefully they will avoid this outcome. I don't mean to be incomplete about Batista. I'm aware of the history. I just don't mean to cut an inch of slack for the fools who either think anything about the crew of the Granma or what ensued had anything to do with valid ideology, reformation, and liberty. Evidently it was rank opportunism, and the half-century-long results speak for themselves. This is not the work of a liberator.
My point is that by now all that remains in too many circles is the notion that the left's projected cartoons and stereotypes are somehow real evil walking the earth, while their actual heroes are somehow not the fanciful cartoons and stereotypes of their own invention, concealing the worst types. Cuba is the most vivid reminder - the one arguably most authentically connected to Americans for the longest in the recent past - of the failure of reason and how having failed, even its staggering evidence cannot be brought into the light for the very idiotitarians who'd play that same tape all over again given half the chance. If you want to visit the time before the US hippie movement, seems like Cuba is a nice throwback.
A throwback, like Eastern Europe. Hand it to the Commies - they keep things unchanged and backwards.
As I mentioned, there are portions of most Eastern European nations where you can still get that feeling. Budapest, as you move further from the Danube, reminds you increasingly of 50 to 60 years prior. The Communists were really opposed to maintaining things.
Even so, while Hungary was presumably going to be one of the fastest to upgrade (they had more managerial experience and free cash than most other nations), it seems Poland and Czech Republic were the two that took off fastest. Prague has done a fine job of maintaining its identity while embracing the free market. It can't be an easy thing, this shift. Flight and an AirBnb room for 4 was only $2,300 for 5 days...
If you have a week to spend someplace and are looking for an inexpensive locale, this is the place. Bit of a contradiction there, from my point of view. My expenses on Latin America from 2000 and earlier: $10-15 /day plus airfare. I budgeted $3-$5 for a hotel. But I speak Spanish and have worked in Latin America, so I have more inclination and ability to "go local" than most tourists. My view on Cuban tourism is that I have read enough on Cuba to know what it is like. A trip there will put more money into the Castro coffers than into the hands of the people. Liked the story on the Houstonians. My time working in Latin America turned me from a "progressive" of the left into a flag-waver and evil right-winger, so I know what he was talking about. Michael J. Totten has written some good articles on current-day Cuba in World Affairs Journal. For those who claim that the "embargo"- for the last 15 years Cuba pays cash for US medical and agricultural goods- has hurt the Cuban economy, I point out that before 1959, Castro claimed that US involvement in the Cuban economy harmed Cuba. Since then, Castro and the horde of PSF claim that lack of US involvement has harmed Cuba. From UN Food and Agricultural Organization Stats one can find the following. From 1961 to 2013, milk production in Cuba has increased 70.9%. By comparison, from 1968 to 2013 milk production in Latin America increased 373%. Expressed another way: in Cuba, milk production in 2013 was 1.71 times what it was in 1961, and milk production in 2013 for Latin America was 4.73 times what it was in 1961. Were CIA snipers killing off Cuban milk cows? You're only partially correct about the Castro coffers. While it's true the government imposes a daily tax (business taking place or not, you pay - it helps avoid having to account of the amount of barter that takes place), the private sector is thriving. Not spending there and saying "I won't give to Castro" is like saying you won't buy anything American because the government imposition of taxes has become so overbearing. Or saying you don't want to give it to Obama (when he was president) or Trump.
I won't disagree that the Castro clan has benefited. But the people are, FINALLY, benefiting too. Your appearance there is more meaningful to them, now, than to the Castro regime. As for costs, there is no contradiction. My costs were for 4 people. Total airfare and housing for 5 nights was $575 per person. Food, which you can get on the streets for $6 a day and do well enough, is no more than $23 at an EXCELLENT restaurant for any meal. Compare that to here in the US, and that's still a steal. I pay $35 for a decent lunch here in NYC and upwards of $125 for dinner (Cuba's meals don't differentiate prices from lunch to dinner the way we typically do here). So you could still eat off street vendors very inexpensively, but then you really would be giving to Castro (as most of this is provided from government sources and aren't private), as opposed to eating better prepared food for only a bit more. BTW, consider the flight and AirBnb (or hotel) costs to Bermuda (which I visited several years ago) which were over $1,400 per person and Grand Cayman, which were $1,300 per person.
Airfare alone, to Argentina, is $1,100 per person. You could find cheaper, but when you travel as a family, your choices become more limited, particularly if you can't "go local" as you can. Besides, I'm less inclined to "go local" once I get south of the Rio Grande, or head out into the Caribbean. The two times I did, I wound up with some severe stomach trouble that almost required hospitalization. Am I 'Dreaming'? but didn't your Friday morning links to an article titled "U.S. Airlines flee Castro island Hell hole." show visiting Cuba isn't a really fun trip? I mean 'bring your own toilet paper . . . .'
I was in Cuba Friday, and there are various writers here, so BD must have posted that link, but I didn't read it. I had a choice of several airlines to get to Cuba, and had no problem with toilet paper. In fact, I had no problems at all.
I wasn't in a standard tourist resort, either. I traveled around a bit...there were no restrictions, except for the military bases, and they had no problems with me taking pictures of the bases right in front of the guards. I'll go back and look at that article, but I haven't read of any airlines fleeing Cuba. Quite the opposite, my flight was packed. I just read that article.
I have no idea who gave them that information. As far as I'm concerned, it's all lies. I like American Thinker, but I can tell you I didn't see ANYTHING like they described. Literally NOTHING. There was plenty of toilet paper. I didn't see any bags being opened, and nobody on either of my flights complained of rummaging or theft. I left with over $500 in cigars and $200 in rum in my bags. I returned with said amounts, despite checking these bags. A computer was also intact. I literally didn't see a single cockroach in ANY facility. Not even the AirBnb apartment. Now I'm not saying these horror stories didn't happen to someone, somewhere. But I find it all laughably BS propaganda. Mangy dogs? I didn't see any mangy dogs. I did see a lot of dogs. More than I can imagine. But all were attached to an owner somehow, none were starving or mangy. Some things which disturbed me? 1. in Vinales, we passed a farm with roosters cooped in single cages. Clearly being prepared to fight, based on the distance of the cages, which were designed to promote aggressive behavior. 2. Havana has large sections which are literally falling apart. But that's communism. It is also reinvesting. Plaza Vieja and the surrounding blocks are beautiful. 3. Water is plentiful but expensive. Even in the outer regions we visited. At about $1.25 a bottle, beer is cheaper. 4. PUBLIC bathrooms are a MESS. NEVER use a public bathroom. Bathrooms in private businesses (which are everywhere) are generally very clean. 5. On many streets of Havana that have not been updated, people still urinate in the street. On streets where upgrades are taking place, people throw their garbage in the construction bins. They often miss, and garbage strews the streets. The smell of rotting garbage in these areas is oppressive. Auto fumes are plentiful, cars run on diesel, gas, and kerosene, which make for an eclectic group of smells. By and large, it's probable the airlines overestimated how much traffic would head to Cuba. But they are by NO MEANS fleeing. I cannot imagine spending five cents in a communist country where living conditions are so bad people will risk swimming the shark-infested sea to reach the U.S. We've had empty rafts wash up on the beach in front of our house in Florida. I know people who were sent here to start a new life, without their families, to escape Castro's Cuba. Have you heard of Elian Gonzalez? His mother died getting him to Florida. Clinton sent him back.
Castro starved, tortured, and imprisoned his own revolutionary comrades and any other Cubans suspected of dissidence. In a country with a year-round growing season, rice and eggs are rationed. Healthcare is free, but they lack medicines. Cuba continues to export terrorism and revolution today to South America as it has done to Nicaragua and Angola. How can anyone concerned about a country whose government imposes privation and tyranny on its own people consider any action that would further that regime's survival. Stay out of Cuba until the communists are overthrown. Given that Raul is 89 it won't be long now. As I pointed out, while communism still 'rules', it's by no means communist. Food is not widely rationed now. It's not plentiful, as it is here in the US, but it's certainly not in short supply. I did ask about that.
Raul has been slowly opening up the economy. That's one reason many of the people I met are actually rather pleased with the current state of affairs. A retrenchment is always possible, but I believe the genie is out of the bottle. As one person said, the statue in front of the US Embassy, of a father holding his son and pointing at the building, was once "these people are imperialists" when it was just a US Interests building. Today, the statue is "these are our friends" as trade opens up. Everything you said about the past is true. There is no denying the privation and crimes of the Castro regime. Assuming it is all unchanged is incorrect. There is something to remember. I worked at a corporation primarily managed by exiled Cubans. The El Jefe culture is very strong, even among the ones who left. As one young man, born in the US, said to me "the main reason my dad hates Castro isn't because of ideology, it's because his El Jefe isn't the current El Jefe." That was 20 years ago. Today, as younger Cuban Americans have grown up and wish to return, they will bring new ideas and hopefully a better opportunity with them. I can't share your feelings on not spending money there. Even Lloyd George said of the Bolsheviks "the best way to overthrow them is to trade with them." Trade is the surest way to undermine Communism - and it's moving fast in Cuba now. I bounced around all over Latin America in the '50s-'60s (never could land an airplane very well). That writeup describes most any country in the region at that time. Suspect not much has changed. OK for a quick in and out and stay out, but as a steady diet, it got very tiresome.
I think going to Cuba is the equivalent of trading with the enemy. They are Communists. They kill their own people for speaking out against the government. There is no freedom of worship. They can't speak their piece. Castro took all their guns. You want me to support a country that is run by people who are against everything us good Americans stand for, except that it's ok to fill their coffers?
Yes! Get to Cuba before it's ruined by teenagers not having to prostitute themselves for food.
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