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Friday, February 1. 2008
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i take B -- 1000 bux ain't worth losing the chance for the bigger prize. If it's empty, you've only 'lost' 1000. A mere lotto fee for the mill chance.
Grab the alien by the tail, open both boxes and stuff O into the empty box and stuff it upside down into empty A box and duct tape it and sell the O filled box to alien abductees for a million dollars.
no you can't do that -- aliens have lizard tails -- they just come off in your hand and then jump around making you disgusted.
Yes, I can!
Buddy boo, when it comes to subtile reptilians I'm quicker than greased lightening.
I'd have that female stuffed taped and boxed 'for her tail could radio her peabrain.
She'd even like it 'till I called Federal Express to deliver hide.
Then she'd miss me and what once was her money.
She'd still have a million to ransome her chaffed hide from the abductees.
okay, the link sez, it's rational to take both boxes since O has already left and the $$$ is either in B or not, already. This is cheating -- the premise is, O pre-knows what you will do. So you have to follow what it was O knew you would do. How do you know what that is? By reminding yourself that taking both boxes is too easy. Just like 'rationalism' itself is.
He's never been wrong?
I think I just made a million bazookas. I'm buyin.
here's a fun puzzle:
"Brothers and sisters have I none, yet this man's father is my father's son."
Who is 'this man'?
okay, not everybopdy all at once now -- one at a time--
Take only box A, burn box B. That returns the million to the U.S. Treasury, if there's anything in it, whence it's a gift to everybody in the country.
Quit it, Buddy. I want the money. And I'd get it, too. Pick box B because A is only a thousand dollars and not really yours to lose. But it is yours to win if you pick B. In one, you don't really lose, but in the other you stand a chance of really winning.
Okay, Buddy. Now I'm rich I feel magnanimous enough to answer your question. I drew some pictures and still couldn't get it, so I Googled it, and got a bunch of Brits fighting over the answer - two which no one knew. :) UNCLE!
(And I mean that as in 'I give!')
No wonder I couldn't get it. I'm a retard........
Let's call Luther........... hahaha
ok, the answer is....wait...the phone is ringing..
ha ha...no, 'this man' is the son of the speaker.
"this man's father (me) is my father's son (i am my father's son)."
or, "this man's father is me, and i am my father's son."
or, "i am this man's father, just as i am my father's son".
Well, as Bubba said to Forrest while they were toothbrush cleaning the floor of the barracks, "i guess that's about all the ways you can cook shrimp".
I have enjoyed logic puzzles like this since highschool, and have found that the discussions by intelligent people debating them is more valuable than the problems themselves. This is because there is usually either insufficient information or self-contradiction hidden in the problem, which people attempt to get around by making extra assumptions. It is fascinating to note what extra assumptions people add in - rules that they believe "should be" there.
In this instance we have posited an omniscient alien. That is one of the few "rules" in this closed system. That rule is already an impossibility - it is an artificially set-up situation which cannot exist. If we go along with the game and accept that rule as being operative in the system, then no further discussion is meaningful. You are not deciding anything, as the alien already knows your decision. All mental pictures of yourself sitting in front of boxes thinking about what you might do are deceptions.
We treat the choice between boxes as a real choice because that is something that looks like real life, and real decisions. We often make choices about things. But this part of the problem is an illusion, a realistic-looking event set within an impossible one. Like the grandfather paradox or Russell's paradox, a homely, normal-looking event is placed in an impossibility to trick the mind into treating it as something possible.
As an example: If you had no hat, what hat would you have? Once we have granted the initial rule - No Hat - further discussion is meaningless. It does not become meaningful just because we are talking about everyday objects like hats.
i agree -- words, because they are signs for otherwise inexpressible thoughts, have to themselves make sense.
So it's easy enough to use them to create nonsense, because they continue within the nonsense to make sense within themselves.
"This statement is a lie."
(If true, it's untrue--if untrue, it's true)
The alien doesn't have to be very accurate to leave you with the same difficulty, as to expected value of your winnings.
Replace him with psychological tests that predict whether you'll take box b alone, knowing all the rules and the accuracy of the tests, and do as the tests predict, as to putting money in box b.
The tests only have to be 50.05% accurate for either strategy to win you the same amount of money, on the average. Almost undetectably above a wild guess. Better accuracy favors believers in tests.
The solution to the paradox is that it penalizes people who believe the tests don't work more than people who believe the tests do work.
And of course the believers don't take both boxes.
Strategy : work yourself into the believing state. The easiest way is actually plan to take one box only. Method acting. Then hope the test works.
There's no ``but you can safely take the other box too.'' Such an idea interferes with your working yourself into the proper frame of mind. The test might pick it up.
It proves that you can make up your mind to do something.
Thank you, Ron. I fully believe in aliens and now I'm rich because I worked myself into the proper frame of mind. :) But interesting how a single substitution changes the whole framework and how you think about it.
As for the son and the father - I've seen it before, and one response was the father is looking at a photograph. Anyway, the deal with that one is the placement of words/syntax.
AVI, if you enjoy hearing people try to figure these puzzles out, Google the first line of the father/son query. It's the top post on Google, and it is pretty funny. Bunch of British guys, and they sound like they're in a bar.