We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
As a non-elite (dirt poor person) who somehow managed to send all of my 4 children to private schools because I put education first, I believe very strongly in them. The difference is private effort (wholly reliant on accountability) vs public institution, (no accountability). There may be some great public schools out there, most likely in small towns, but I think that private schools do a better job of making sure kids don't fall through the cracks.
I was just listening to an interview with Jon Batiste on Fresh Air on NPR- I was on a long road trip and listening around the dial to shows I don't normally hear, and I was so struck by his brilliance. I wondered about his education, he said he attended St. Augustine's in New Orleans where his father and grandfather had gone, and there was a test to get in.
I went to all public schools in my small hometown in Upper Michigan--1950's for elementary and high school graduation in 1966. Our schools were excellent, largely I believe, because many of our teachers were WW2 vets who had gone to college on the GI Bill. They new their stuff and brooked no nonsense. The only private schools available at that time were the Catholic schools.
I spent lots of money over the years sending my children to four private Christian schools, which are usually semi-prep schools in this area. I have mixed feelings about them now. One was a terrible choice; one was a terrible choice for that particular child but would probably have been okay for his brothers; the elementary school was magnificent for the one who went there; the last was mixed, but was very emotionally supportive for my Romanian adoptees when they arrived. I would certainly do less private schooling if I had to do over, though not none, because of individual circumstances.
When you pay for something, you have a strong inclination to believe it was worth it and become less objective.
The apples-to-apples numbers do not give evidence independent schools provide a better education. They select, which makes their testing and college placement look better, but the children who were of similar ability do just as well in public school. I wouldn't send a child to a school where they were in danger, but otherwise, the rigorous studies point to schools being equal. It is an area where our impressions color what we believe more than the data. Outcomes are much more dependent on inheritance, after all.
Charles Murray talks about entering Harvard from small-town Iowa when it had an even higher percentage of students from top prep schools. Comparing notes, the consensus was that the public students started an average of six months behind because of lack of AP courses, but everyone finished in the same place four years later. He knows the data than I and does not recommend preparatory schools, even for gifted children.
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2021-03-12 19:27
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Being from an even smaller Iowa town than Murray, and a couple of decades behind him, I'm willing to accept his data but I'm a little cautious about his anecdotal experience. The combination of Iowa's rural character and supporting schools via property taxes produced an enormous number of small school districts between about 1940 and 1990 when declining population finally made them unsupportable. In my area graduating classes under 100, even through the baby boom era, were common. So while they weren't private and had to take all comers there was a lot more local ownership than there would have been in large metropolitan schools, which even in Iowa had many of the same problems as any large city school. The small class sizes also meant that there were both formal and informal practices to get the kids who might benefit from accelerated instruction into particular classes even if there wasn't a formal AP program.
"...the rigorous studies point to schools being equal." Thomas Sowell does not agree with your statement. Public schools of today absolutely do worse than Charter Schools.
I love Thomas Sowell, but he is simply wrong here. He does not factor in the differences in selection. Of course a school will do better on testing scores, graduation rates, sending kids to prestigious colleges, etc, if it does not admit the most difficult students (or can get rid of them). When admission is decided by lottery you can just follow the kids who were otherwise equal at the time of selection but went to different schools and compare how they did 2 years, or five years, or ten years later. The results are identical, except when the public school is truly horrible and dangerous. Even then, it's only a few points difference.
That is even true of prestigious colleges, where the kids who almost made it versus those who barely made it in turn out about the same.
Mostly, schools don't matter.
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2021-03-14 16:47
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The writer remains me of the female high school teacher who when discover having a year long sexual affair with a student; says that the boy was too persistent. When I got to the blackity black stuff; I started scrolling. If I wanted that there is TV.
Caitlin Flanagan is not just any person at the Atlantic. She is the best reporter they have. As a proud graduate of a private school, I want to know if they have become corrupted and I tend to trust her judgment that at least the top prep schools in New York have indeed become corrupted. I'm sorry to hear that, because where I went (Hawken in Cleveland in 1965-1971) a parent interfering in the teaching, grading, promotion, or discipline process, including expulsion, would have been politely ignored.
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2021-03-15 05:13
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