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Wednesday, January 20. 2021Some Food Bank TipsMy weekly time at the Food Bank has been very enlightening. Yesterday was different, I did something I wasn't used to doing. "Separating and stocking" it was called. Normally I pack food into boxes for shut-ins, SNAP supplement, or other family assistance. Some of that food is donated by large supermarkets or food producers, unsold stuff that hasn't quite hit expiration. Most is purchased by the bank itself, from donations. A commenter had asked where the food came from, and I have learned that a good portion is purchased, another good chunk donated. Yesterday I learned about another big portion of it. Individual donations. When you clean out your pantry and drop it off at your local Food Bank, it goes into a bin and when there's enough volunteers like me spend hours unpacking and sorting. It's astounding, to be honest. For several reasons. First, and I say this because we don't tend to think about it, and we mean well, but a good portion of the food donated is useless. Not the majority, but a noticeable minority of it. To explain why, and maybe help save other volunteers time and effort, it's worth noting how the food is broken out. There are about 20 separate boxes, among them: Coffee & Tea, Cereal, Rice & Pasta, Canned Protein, Condiments, Baking Goods, Snacks, Drinks, Water, Peanut Butter, Vegetables, Fruit, Soups and Broth, and Peanut Related products. There are more, but these are the main ones. There are at least 3 reasons I noticed for why food is tossed. First - boxed foods often are donated partially opened. Even if there is a wrapped package inside, many banks will reject the food immediately. Particularly if it includes individually wrapped packages without expiration dates on them. And that's a second reason - Expiration Dates. While a canned good dated Oct. 2, 2020 is acceptable until 2022, a boxed good with the same date is not always. It may have a 3-6 month acceptable shelf life, and if it is baby food it must not be past expiration. These may seem somewhat questionable guidelines for food freely donated, but trust me, the artichoke hearts I picked up 3 years expired were not in the least appetizing. I may have eaten them if I'd stored them in my refirigerator at home, but realizing the nature of the situation (as my supervisor said) is such that maybe a year ago we MAY have been willing to push some limits, but right now we can't afford to. In addition, I picked up 2 twenty pound bags of rice. Some of the rice spilled out, and I knew that bag had to go (who wants to attract rats and insects? That's the third reason...resealed boxes/bags. The first bag I threw out. The second wound up getting tossed when a supervisor noticed a hole which someone had taped over. One other thing I learned had to do with peanuts. As you probably realize, anything that had peanuts in it, or was prepared in a facility with peanuts, was put in the "Peanut" box. What you may not realize is how much food is prepared in facilities that handle peanuts. I handled 3 different kinds of Ramen packages. The most well-known brand, Top Ramen, was a "Peanut" product. The others were Soup and Broth, but I was shocked at all the items that wound up in "Peanuts". Sometimes you just don't think much about it. While I am always proud that we manage to prepare weekly food boxes for people, often up to 750 in a 3 hour shift, yesterday was another kind of learning experience. When I donate food in the future, I'll be sure to box it, separate it and make sure the expiration dates are acceptable. I'm sure I meant well donating a jar of olives that was 3 years past expiration, but I had no idea I was probably making someone do the work I should have done and just tossed them. Or that half open box of mac and cheese, which I taped closed, and which someone could have used. That someone being me...not someone else. It was good knowing we sorted 524 boxes of these various foods. They are sent to local food pantries for distribution, or used in local food kitchens. One last thing I noticed while I was there was the number of meals served each year. This past year, 2020, the number more than doubled. Part of that was due to the ill-considered and misguided lockdowns which cost us jobs and productivity. But every year from the year it was founded, the Food Bank has seen the numbers of meals served increase. This past year may wind up being an anomaly. I hope it is. But it's worth knowing that volunteers are needed, and if you have it in you to spend a few hours a week, it's worth it. Hopefully I can convince my next employer that this is an important thing I do and get 3 hours a week to continue doing the volunteer work. I recommend it. As much as I I'd like to say I'm doing it because I ike to help people, the reality is I'm doing it for me. It makes me feel good. That's pretty much why we do most of whatever we do in life, and I'd never recommend doing it if you find it annoying or a pain in the ass. I have learned a lot, I can say that. Trackbacks
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Interesting post, Bull Dog.
. . . . food boxes for people, often up to 750 in a 3 hour shift That's on quite a scale from the persective of a country boy. That would be a box for almost everyone in my little town. In three hours. Wow. We are indeed fortunate to live in a country and time where so much edible food is so abundant and cheap that it can simply be tossed. I hope the Left allows American agriculture to continue producing as it has. I mentioned below that I attended a speech by Prof. Don Boudreaux, who was speaking about how much things have improved in 40 years.
He took a Sears catalog from 1976 and went through it - showing the price then and inflation-adjusted price today. Most things were much cheaper, especially if you apply hedonic measures (example - a record player in 1976 being about $100 (I bought a standalone turntable in 1982 for $79 - Pioneer brand). Today you can buy a USB-enabled one for $59. But why bother? You can get your camera, phone, computer and music in one device for $300 and a monthly fee that rivals what you paid for your phone in 1976. That's the beauty of hedonics. Improvements that give you more for roughly less. He ended by taking questions and he noted that the areas where these comparisons DID NOT apply were all areas where large-scale government intervention had taken place. Notably medical care and education. Though food was another...however he pointed out the US was the first nation to reasonably eliminate hunger as a pressing national issue. That was mainly because of fast food. It's not healthy, but you'll meet your daily caloric needs in a cheap fashion. He also pointed out that Food Banks had assisted in this, as had other government programs (which he did not support quite as much but understand the pragmatic political nature of them). This week, the little market here in town has whole chickens on sale for $1.49/lb and boneless pork loin roasts for $1.99/lb.
If a person is willing to do the work and cook for themselves using fresh meat and produce, you can eat pretty well for less than $10/day, about the price of one fast food meal. It's just an example to illustrate how cheap food is. I am not saying everyone should eat that way. Let's hope it stays that way. The Left would prefer to see us clutching ration cards and standing 4 hours in line for a loaf of stale bread. Great info! Now I have a Food Bank donation checklist:
- no open/broken packages - nothing past its expiration date - separate out the peanutty stuff Anything that fails the first two tests goes into the bird feeder or the compost heap, 'cause it's not nice to abuse the volunteer help. It's not abusing the volunteer help. I'm saddened you've misinterpreted the information I've shared.
I made it clear at the end if it's not something you're interested in or that annoys you, then it's not for you. Clearly it's not for you. So you feel it's necessary to belittle those who are willing to help with a snarky comment? I didn't say you, or anyone, HAD to DO anything. I simply offered tips and information if you're so inclined. No giving expired food is worthwhile not because it abuses me or another volunteer, but because it could actually make people sick. I suppose because they may need assistance that means they shouldn't question what's offered them? If you're willing to give and you don't sort or check, that's still good and all of us working would thank you for that. We'll do that for you. However, doing it on your own takes very little time and shows, maybe just a little, that you're willing to do just a little more. I'm not being preachy, just realistic. People can help in lots of ways. Donate money, donate food, donate time. I wasn't questioning the motives of anyone or anything. I even pointed out that I had given long expired food in the past because I did not know the rules which surrounded its use. But snarky comments aren't really necessary. No snark intended--volunteers are the lifeblood of services like the Food Bank, and it's a micro-contribution on my part to not fill your donation boxes with stuff that's unusable, just because I was too lazy or inattentive to check.
Thank goodness I've done all my pantry cleaning for the year; it's a lot simpler to make a donation than to second-guess the Pantry dieticians. My apologies then. It came across as a bit snarky that somehow abusing volunteers is 'bad'. I consider abusing anyone 'bad' but I don't view this as abuse, either. It's just part of the job and I like to let people know little things which can help improve how we provide assistance.
For what it's worth - expired food, particularly canned food - is OK. It's a question of "how long?" Two years for canned food is the limit. It really can go longer, but there are all kinds of issues that may arise and the reality is the Bank doesn't need a liability suit with bad food. Other foods are good for up to 6 months, depending on how the packaging is managed. Thanks for your support! Too many people, myself included, often take this for granted. I used to drop food off and not care what happened after that, just assuming someone got it and let myself feel good about that. Never assumed those olives were being ditched... Our poor are fat and drive nice cars and have expensive cell phones. The poor in other countries would love to have that resealed bag of rice or the open box with sealed packages inside. I think the food bank is a wonderful idea that has been badly abused in this country. Yes we have a food bank here. No, I have never used their facilities. But I have driven past and seen really nice cars waiting for their owner to get free food.
Would it make sense to do a study. Someone checks the status of everyone who shows up at a food bank for free stuff for an entire month. Check where they live, work, play, what they own, if they do drugs, alcohol of smoke. And give a report. I would bet that less than 20% of those using the food bank "need" the food bank. My own son is a great example. He does not use the food bank he prefers to ask me for money. He smokes, drinks, gambles, spends 5 bucks for a coffee each day, buys his lunch and dinner most days and cannot understand why he is always broke. I'm thinking of telling him to start using the food bank, he would fit right in. I think you've fallen victim to misguided information or even potentially small sample sizes.
For one thing, some of those nice cars may be volunteers taking food to shut-ins. There is a long line of cars at the food bank when I'm there, often very nice. These are people helping to distribute food. Don't make assumptions until you investigate. Our poor are often fat. That can be the result of many things. One thing which is true is that McDonald's has done our nation a favor and made caloric intake a relatively inexpensive thing (and also dangerous, health-wise). A McDonald's meal is cheap and can provide enough calories in one meal for an entire day. It's not going to be really healthy stuff, but it can be done. Prof. Don Boudreaux, several years ago, said in a speech I attended that the US is one of the first nations to essentially abolish hunger as a pressing national issue. He was right. We have. That doesn't mean it can't become an issue again, though. Yes, that food could be used in other nations. We do hold ourselves to high standards. But those standards are useful and worth holding ourselves to. There are reasons why we have them. That food won't be useful by the time it gets to another nation and while you can, from the comfort of your home, make a broad statement about who would be 'happy' to have that food - I can assure you that vermin and insects are just as happy to have it, as well. From my perspective it's not enough to just give any food, as I had in the past. It's showing respect for the humanness of those we're seeking to help, too. You may look down on them, and if you do, that's your right. I've been there, though. There were some days after my mother's divorce where she had to visit the Food Bank, so I'm not one to make judgements about the overall nature of these people. If a woman with four kids needed it 50 some odd years ago, then there probably is one like her today that can use it. My mother raised me to remember that we shouldn't judge people. It's hard thing to do, and I try to avoid it as often as I can. Especially if I don't know the people. I used to work rotationally overseas, month on-month off. A lot of it in north Africa, a lot in the Caribbean. The thing that jumps out at you when returning to the US, is all the fat people. It's shockingly remarkable to see it with fresh eyes every couple of months.
I worked for about 20 years in the Caribbean which in the late 90's started a strong economic boom, mostly on capital investment from the US. Early on, people there were lean, all the manual laborers ripped with 6-pack abs on the local diet of fish,chicken, lentils, vegetables, fruit. Almost no body fat. Then came Wendy's, MacD's, Burger King, Pizza Hut. Wow. Look at them now. Remarkable what cheap carbs and processed sugar can do. In college, (I graduated with 2 majors, one was TV Production), I was responsible for doing some PSAs locally. We had a Food Bank representative on once and we did an informational program with him.
What astounded me was the amount of time he spent talking about how expensive food was. This being 1984, and me having only shopped for myself, I asked him why he felt it was too expensive. His reply was to discuss one item little known at the time - "food deserts" - and how the places that did sell food were expensive in these areas, and also mentioned buying the processed foods (so common at the time, and more common today) was not a reasonable way for poorer people to eat. Most tended to buy ready to eat meals. I asked why not go the cheaper route my mother used to take, visiting co-ops and banks that had bulk items like dried beans, bulghur, flour, etc. He pointed out poor people aren't typically well educated or aware of how to prepare meals effectively from scratch. While it's a good idea, and it is utilized in some ways, the reality is many can't functionally manage. Particularly if they are working poor and work takes up a large percentage of their time. I'd never thought of it that way, and while there are portions of this that still don't make sense to me, it certainly DOES explain why McDonald's and other fast food are a 'go to' for the working poor. Look, I'm the first to admit I love my 1 Big Mac a month. Their fries and shake are damn good. Which isn't to say I don't love a great meal at a high end restaurant. Point is tastes can vary. But I'm smart enough to know that surviving on Big Macs is not the way to a healthy body, let alone a healthy mind. Yes, we can function and survive on these things. But they really are not the best options even if they are affordable and easy. It's worth noting I'm not a fan of Malcolm Spurlock and his rigged "documentary". You CAN get fat and sick eating McDonald's food. But you don't have to. It's about choices. https://www.inc.com/peter-economy/this-university-professor-ate-at-mcdonalds-for-an-entire-month-she-didnt-end-up-supersized.html QUOTE: I asked why not go the cheaper route my mother used to take, visiting co-ops and banks that had bulk items like dried beans, bulghur, flour, etc. He pointed out poor people aren't typically well educated or aware of how to prepare meals effectively from scratch. If poor people don't know how to cook today, there has been a breakdown in the older generation teaching the younger generation how to cook. Throughout recorded history, most people have been poor. As a result, poor people learned how to prepare nutritious, inexpensive meals- and passed that knowledge down to succeeding generations. Maybe Fannie Foodstamps doesn't know how to cook. If you tell me that her grandmother didn't know how to cook, I'll call you a liar. Periodically, Congresscritters and other elected officials will inform us that they tried to eat on a food stamp budget, and found it impossible. Yes, if you don't prepare your own food, that is probably so. And I have noted that Congresscritter food stamp budgets tend to be devoid of materials for cooking from scratch. Crackers versus flour, for example.But when you can purchase a bread machine for $20-$25 from a yard sale or from CraigsList, purchase flour for 40-50 cents a pound, and spend five minutes in preparing a loaf, only a liar or a fool would tell you that one can't live on a food stamp budget.
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and a lot of overweight people are at least in part so because of medical reasons.
And chronic medical conditions are a surefire way to end up unemployed and unemployable, and thus in the target group for food banks. It's not a disgrace those people go to the food bank, it's a disgrace there need to be food banks at all in a modern western society. Thanks for the information. I knew about not donating anything that has been opened but have been a little casual about expiration dates. I might remember when I bought those canned soups and dated their expir date from then.
Thanks for the insight. Pre Covid I worked a soup kitchen called Friday's Table. It was very humbling and a reminder to count your blessings. There but by the Grace of God go I.
There are generally three different types of people who need food kitchens and pantry's where they can either get meals or food for free: 1. Those with addictions. 2. Those with serious mental health issues. 3. Those with neither problem but are temporarily down on their luck.
The number 3 group typically don't spend more than a few months in this system and are quickly helped with either long term welfare or jobs or both. The other two groups are the problem and we do not address that problem instead we enable it by giving them free stuff. The free stuff gravy train now eats up over $2 trillion a year from federal, state and local taxes and that does not include what charities bring to the table. Why? Why didn't the war on poverty work? Why can't the people with advanced degrees and years of experience fix this? Why does it get worse every year? The simple answer is because there is money in it. A good friend is a drug and alcohol counselor and he makes a fortune off this system. He admitted to me that most of his clients are there because of the courts and do not want to quit their addiction but merely want to get through the program so they can get back to their chosen addiction. He told me that there isn't anything he can say or do that will cause any of his clients to change their life until they themselves decide that they must change their lives. And he said usually that only happens after they hit bottom or have some terrible life event that wakes them up. Literally he is telling me that all of the money and help is wasted and in fact exacerbates the problem. He has even said that sine the police have been given Narcan to treat addicts who overdoes the drug problem in large cities is now twice as bad as it was before. Interesting - I lead a similar team at our local food pantry.
Avoid donating large sizes of products (like that huge bag of rice) which can only be given to one family. It's better to buy / donate smaller sizes which can be shared with multiple families. Guideline: If you wouldn't eat it...don't donate it. PS: Everyone donated canned green beans, very few people like them There are at least 3 reasons I noticed for why food is tossed. First - boxed foods often are donated partially opened. Even if there is a wrapped package inside, many banks will reject the food immediately. Particularly if it includes individually wrapped packages without expiration dates on them. And that's a second reason - Expiration Dates. While a canned good dated Oct. 2, 2020 is acceptable until 2022, a boxed good with the same date is not always. It may have a 3-6 month acceptable shelf life, and if it is baby food it must not be past expiration.
These rules technically make sense. But when things really get tight, we won't have the luxury of throwing away any kind of food. If it can't be used right now, it should be placed in storage. Also, while it's nice to give people a variety of food, what they really need are high-calorie food supplies. Dried mashed potatoes, spaghetti, canned corned beef, canned soup, shelf-stable entrees, dried fruit, anything like that. Somebody should work out how many calories there should be in a food box. At a minimum, an adult needs 1500 calories a day. Lots of people donated those kinds of things - and remember, these boxes are primarily for use in meal kitchens and/or other local food pantries where people stop in (the Bank itself is the local pantry, meal kitchen and food distribution point for other pantries within a 1 hour drive radius).
That said, when we prepare meal boxes, someone has done that caloric calculation and when we pack them there are specific rules about what is to go in to each meal package. As for "when things get tight" - reality is storage is expensive. While it's a great idea and forward-thinking, it's not easy or inexpensive to employ. Part of the reason I wrote this was it pained me to see so much thrown away. If I were not well enough off, some of it would have likely been food I'd have taken home. But it made sense, so I wasn't fighting them. I can't make that call and I certainly don't have the money to donate for the repair/storage. Back about 10 or 15 years ago, we had an agreement with a small congregation of immigrants to share the use of our church building. After a while they decided they wanted to operate a food bank distribution point from the church, so we let them have a couple of empty rooms. This went on for a few months, then one day one of our congregation members decided to help out on distribution day. She told us that when the truck arrived to drop off the food in the back of the church, the people running it would park their cars back there and then unload the truck into their car trunks. Just the "good stuff", not the canned soup and green beans, which went inside the church.
After that we told their pastor that we didn't feel that we wanted to be associated with their operation, and they eventually found another place to worship. We gather and donate to the local food bank, but a different one that is well and honestly run. That's unfortunate. It bothers me to hear stories like this because all you need is one and people will think "this happens everywhere."
It would not surprise me to see some of the food heading out the door with some of the regular workers at the Food Bank. I doubt it happens much, but the bank is mostly volunteers and while the people I volunteer with all look well paid (although I'm pretty sure a few are doing court-ordered community service), most don't need anything. The regular workers there might. I don't know. I wouldn't begrudge them a little if they did truly need it, but I've met the administrators and I think they could ask and receive assistance. It's part of the bank's mantra. Still hearing stories like that is all you need for one person to say "It's corrupt, so I won't help." All that means is 10 of their friends will hear a version of the story, and 10 of their friends, and so on. Then nobody gets the help they need. Like many things in life, I'm willing to deal with a little bit of the bad behavior as long as a greater good is achieved. What your team witnessed is beyond the pale, of course, and would not be 'a little bit' by any accounting. It's like the pens and paper pads I have in my home. I'm fairly certain my former employers would like to not have purchased them for me. Of course, you shove them into a briefcase or backpack to finish something at home and then forget you have them at home. After a while, you just don't care. Food theft is a big problem with the Salvation Army soup kitchens. They do exactly what you described. When a truck bringing frozen meat arrives, the the S.A. employees steal it all. The Salvation Army has unfortunately turned into an extension of Black Lives Matter. You would laugh if you saw the favoritism. The S.A. organization is run for the benefit of black people. In fact, most of the beds are taken-up by black men who are receiving a government check. For them, the Salvation Army is a free hotel. And what's really funny is that in the midst of all this theft and corruption, the S.A. wants people to attend S.A. church on Sunday, so that they can hear God's word. So who knows? Maybe wearing a military uniform is a license to steal.
Another thing that is past its expiration is your credibility. It's not really our fault you are an unhappy person.
We donate to our church food pantry every week. We get store BOGO's...one for our use one for the church pantry. Typically half a dozen+ items each donation. Most go to church members in need. Anyway, try the BOGO route. People will appreciate it especially in these trying times.
FWIW, our local food bank has a Wish List on Amazon. You can order things from the list and designate them as a gift so that your name isn't provided. You can donate (safely) as often as you wish without getting on a mailing list.
Just a suggestion for how to help. Good post. The fact that someone might be willing to eat the expired or unsealed food and by jingo, my grandma would never have thrown that out is irrelevant. If you are giving food to people, you don't want it to be dangerous for them in any way.
It is frustrating, as the poor do have a tendency to make bad choices, high in starches and sugars. The volunteers on our line try to push the whole-grain breads over the white and we limit the donuts and cakes when we load the almost-expired from the warehouse (my job), but this in NH, and we remain freedom-minded. As for the cheating and the nice cars and all that, there is certainly some. But it is complicated. My sons from Romania used to laugh when they would help out, saying you could not do such a thing there, because there would be riots at the back of the truck, babushkas pushing pregnant women aside and teenagers getting violent. So people from such countries, who make up a lot of the line, don't think it's a problem to sneak back in the back of the line and try tto go through twice. Or sometimes you just let it go, because their more Americanised children who know this is not how we do things here are looking so humiliated in advance of what their parents are doing. The people with nice cars often have them for only a few months before they get repossessed because they just make terrible financial decisions with no one to help them. If you follow it week by week, you can see that sometimes there are a lot of people getting out of that nice car - because the others have lost theirs or they don't run. Charity is messy. If you want to be instructive to whip them into shape about what it means to be an American or how even the native-born should act with proper humility and all that, go right ahead. It probably helps a little and people do respond to positive and negative incentives. But I am always minded of GK Chesterton's thought - as usual, a reversal of the automatic and worldly wisdom:
"It is true that there is a thing crudely called charity, which means charity to the deserving poor; but charity to the deserving is not charity at all, but justice. It is the undeserving who require it, and the ideal either does not exist at all, or exists wholly for them." This always causes me a sharp intake of breath, but I see it. We are in a rural and small town area, fortunately we do not have much of a problem with abuse of the food bank. A few local churches organize the collection and distribution, and they do not tolerate any shenanigans, but are kind-hearted, generous, and non-judgmental of their clientele.
Every couple of weeks we do a supermarket run for the food bank, using all the wiles and coupons we have to get bargains for the maximum food quantities for our spend. Except for bulk produce, we make sure the package sizes are appropriate for families of all sizes, and try to minimize the sugars and bad carbs while procuring foodstuffs the recipients are likely to enjoy as well as nutritionally benefit from. Our food bank donations usually come straight from the grocery store. After tasting once some of the store brand food, dried potatoes I believe, my wife said, never again, and we offer the same things we eat. With COVID, many are down on their luck, so its important the banks stay full.
We're in a smallish town, so people are pretty good about the goods going to the needy. Food bank here does things slightly differently, and it irks me no way.
Every once in a while (I guess they rotate their efforts between the various supermarkets in town) they will come to a supermarket, shove a shopping list into the hands of anyone who comes in, and have a collection point at the checkout. That in itself (apart from them being rude about it) doesn't bother me so much. What bothers me is that the lists contain exclusively A brand products, never cheaper alternatives. I myself tend to buy cheaper alternatives more often than not as the store brand where I get most of my shopping is very good yet a lot cheaper than A brands. But no, for the food bank only the most expensive is good enough. And those lists also contain a lot of luxury items I'd never consider buying myself except for special occasions. Nothing wrong with giving people who need the food bank an occasional treat, but having it be a good percentage of what you expect to get in donations is over the top. That seems odd. I'm very surprised they handle it that way. I'd check to be sure that's the actual food bank and not some other group.
At our supermarket, they usually have an empty shopping cart at the exit. You can add items of your choosing there, or when you enter you can get a list of "needed items" which you can fill out and deposit as you exit. No name brands, or any brands, are requested. At the start of the pandemic, we were adding one additional bag to our purchases and leaving it at the exit. Right now, there is still a need for products but the banks in my area are relatively full (emptying out fast regularly, but restocked). So we have scaled back a little, but since we know people at the local pantry we know what they need. ah the (often unavoidable) Byzantine rules of large scale operations.
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