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Thursday, October 22. 2020

Is the Pope Catholic?


Is the Pope Catholic? Francis’s new encyclical reads like a UN mission statement.


The RC Church has a long and ancient history of being politically-involved and taking sides. Politically, and financially. It's their strength and their weakness. Mind you, spoken as an olde-tyme Protestant. 


However, after many years, even Protestants have gotten into political games. It is a shame, in my view, for church to become too worldly.




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Perhaps Benedict is the Pope and Francis is an illegitimate usurper.
#1 Rafe on 2020-10-22 17:40 (Reply)
The pope is a avowed Marxist/socialist. The better question is; are the catholic church's cardinals catholic? There are things they can do within the system and outside the system to rein him in or worst case to end his reign. I would not be surprised if the pope were to die suddenly from "unknown causes".
#2 OneGuy on 2020-10-22 17:59 (Reply)
Chrysostom didn't actually say "Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops," though he should have. This is a very old problem.

In Rodney Starks Why God? he asserts that it is the ecclesiastic, and not the average church-goer, who tries to move a church from a "high tension" relationship to the rest of society to a "lower tension" relationship. He gives examples and proposes an explanation.
#2.1 James the lesser (Link) on 2020-10-22 18:24 (Reply)
We have had a long run of outstanding popes. It has come to an end. As a Catholic, I believe the Holy Spirit guides the cardinals when they elect a pope, but judging from some of the men who have served as popes over the course of history, clearly the cardinals do not always listen to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. And the resulting damage can last for decades or longer.
#3 Steven on 2020-10-22 18:26 (Reply)
A number of times recently the internet has been all a flutter with their opinions about what the Pope has said. As a Catholic, I pay attention to that sort of thing. The entire truth of what the Pope has said comes out a week or so later and never gets the same splash, for some reason.

Also, remember that the person who writes the headline is often not the person who wrote the article. This is not just a Catholic Pope issue. The sensational headlines are often not supported by the story
#4 Harmon Ward on 2020-10-22 18:28 (Reply)
What Harmon Ward said is true. What the Pope says and what is reported are often very different things.

For example, the author of this article is completely ignorant about the significance of the Pope's opinion. He is not "infallible". In fact, he's never spoken infallibly and, most likely, never will. The bishops, priests, and we laity are not required to agree with his opinions. We are supposed to hear it and consider it. Which is what we're doing.
#5 Jack Walter on 2020-10-22 20:34 (Reply)
I seem to remember a guy who told a story about two brothers who were asked to work in their father's vineyard. One of them jumped up and said "Yes, sir", but didn't follow through. The other said "No, I'll do what I choose", but then later went out and got the work done.
Socialism always sets out under the banner of freeing the poor, but never does. Free market seems to be all about personal choice, but allows the poor to become if not rich, at least less poor.
#6 Another Guy named Dan on 2020-10-23 07:20 (Reply)
"It is a shame, in my view, for church to become too worldly."

If there's a problem with Churches in America today, it's that they are not worldly enough. When I was a kid, Preachers used to speak out against taxes, and corruption, and feminism. But now, the Preachers are a bunch of government-controlled sycophants who approve of everything that Washington D.C. does. It's like we don't even have Preachers anymore. We have girly boys who want to play the electric guitar, so everybody can raise their hands in prayer. It's nauseating. Churches in America are run by squealing little Marxists who want to approve of everything. Homosexual? That's fine. Lesbian couple? Great! Communist? Well, join the club! And good luck finding a real sermon on YouTube. Those are banned.
#7 Ron Liebermann on 2020-10-23 07:22 (Reply)
Never been to a fundamental Baptist church, have you? Baptist preachers preacher against all the things you mention, and many more. They use one book, generally the King James Version of the Bible, and make no apology for it.

Need to hear some good preaching from a preacher that is certainly not girly? Find a fundamental Baptist church.
#7.1 barnhill on 2020-10-23 08:47 (Reply)
I never went to church to hear the preacher. Always wished he wouldn't speak and when he did he sounded a little crazy/fanatical. I enjoyed the singing and the friends but listening to a preacher actually trying to convince me that 2000 year old writings were meaningful and for some crazy reason even picking the more radical/fanatical to try to shore up always struck me as stupid. Seriously would you believe anything from someone who actually believes and preaches that there is a devil and a hell???
#7.1.1 Anon on 2020-10-23 11:10 (Reply)
Here's the actual statement, which no one has bothered reading.

What exactly do you find offensive?

http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20201003_enciclica-fratelli-tutti.html
#8 Henry Jackson on 2020-10-23 12:57 (Reply)
No. The Popse is JESUIT! There is a difference!
#9 Apple Pie on 2020-10-23 22:28 (Reply)

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