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Thursday, October 8. 2020

The Tylers (and Tippecanoe)

That 3 generations could have spanned almost the entirety of the US' existence is rather astounding.  Yet it is a fact, there is still one of John Tyler's grandchildren left alive.


I first learned two were alive many years ago when an article about this arcane bit of Americana went viral.  It's great trivia, but easily forgotten.  Yet one of them died, so the trivial knowledge was revived.


What I find just as interesting is the Gardiner name, which the recently deceased held.  John Tyler had married a Gardiner daughter.  The Gardiners deserve a bit of study.  If you have the time I recommend looking them up, and reviewing the history of their island - Gardiner's Island - off the coast of Long Island.  Mrs. Bulldog and I were out on the East End last weekend (lovely weekend on Block Island) and the topic of Gardiner's Island was something we began discussing and started reading about.  The family (particularly the last "Lord of the Manor") have an intriguing and eccentric history...as does the island itself. 

Posted by Bulldog in Hot News & Misc. Short Subjects at 19:44 | Comments (14) | Trackbacks (0)

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Virginian John Tyler married someone from Long Island. There were a fair amount of North-South marriages among the upper class set of that era. Theodore Roosevelt's mother was a Bulloch from Georgia. Her half-brother James served in the US Navy and was later the Confederacy's chief agent in England during the Civil War. Her brother Irvine was an officer on the Confederate ship Alabama when it sunk. TR's interest in naval history came from his mother recounting her brothers' naval exploits during his childhood. TR met his uncles during his family's tour of Europe in 1869, and kept in touch with them throughout their lives.

Mary Chesnut, renowned as author of diaries from the Civil War era, also had a Northern connection. Her mother-in-law was from Philadelphia.
#1 Gringo on 2020-10-08 20:20 (Reply)
We have a young Republic. As a kid, I was awestruck that my grandparents were nly a generation from the Civil War. I love to remind my younger co-workers that I recall the 68 riots, both Kennedy's deaths, and the lunar landing. It seems they think I also helped dock Noah's ark.
#2 Mark on 2020-10-08 21:06 (Reply)
I said to a coworker today (regarding debates) that if they remember the 1980 debate(s)...to which he replied "I wasn't even born yet, what are you talking about?"
#2.1 Bulldog on 2020-10-08 21:09 (Reply)
All I can sat is WOW!

It reminds me of Mississippi making their last Civil War veteran's pension payment around 2001, but that happened because a 29 something woman married an elderly CSA vet around 1920.

In a way this slows why it takes so long for attitudes to change. We are a lot closer to the past than we tend to think.
#3 feeblemind on 2020-10-08 21:40 (Reply)
Have you ever read the book "The Oldest Living Confederate Widow Tells All"? What a great book.
#3.1 blondi utronki on 2020-10-09 09:28 (Reply)
OK, this just explained a joke in Being There that I haven't understood for 30 years - why Chauncey Gardiner (formerly Chance the gardener) was immediately accepted into New York society. It truly was a matter of having the right name and the right suit.
#4 Another Guy named Dan on 2020-10-09 07:34 (Reply)
HAHA! Interesting...oddly enough, I NEVER even considered that, and "Being There" is one of my favorite movies....
#4.1 Bulldog on 2020-10-09 09:46 (Reply)
I realized that immediately and have seen the film only once. Maybe that comes from having the right name and the right suit.
#4.2 Winston on 2020-10-09 10:33 (Reply)
The apostrophe police have been called. You've been WARNED!
#5 dick parks on 2020-10-09 10:27 (Reply)
HA, someone mentioned that to me privately. I agree it doesn't SEEM to make sense, but when you consider my original title was "The Tyler's Family" - and I changed it slightly to include old Tippecanoe (a silly and cliched thing), I decided to leave it. Because it's really the Tyler's family/history/story, etc.


So it did make some sense. To me.
#5.1 Bulldog on 2020-10-09 14:03 (Reply)
Gardiners Island makes an appearance in Nelson DeMille’s thriller “Plum Island”, a very entertaining read.
#6 Paul in Boston on 2020-10-09 10:44 (Reply)
I didn't read "Plum Island" but my father in law used to work for a company that delivered soda there.

He used to tell us stories of midget elephants and other fanciful beasts because Plum Island was a biological testing facility, and it seemed fun to think they were creating new mammals there...

The Island of Dr. Moreau, I suppose...
#6.1 Bulldog on 2020-10-09 16:01 (Reply)
Gardiner’s Island makes an appearance in Nelson DeMille’s thriller “Plum Island”, a very entertaining read.
#7 Paul in Boston on 2020-10-09 10:45 (Reply)
My great-aunt (my grandmother's sister) married a man from Central Virginia who was a Confederate colonel (I believe) in the War Between The States. She was much younger than him; he passed in the early part of the century, she died in the 1960's. Technically, that makes me have a great uncle who fought in the Civil War.
#8 Thomas on 2020-10-09 11:51 (Reply)

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