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Friday, February 24. 2012Pig Politics Vs Marines LivesCongressman Bob Filner, together with PETA, wants to replace with simulators military Corpsmen’s “live tissue trauma training” on pigs. Filner’s proposal is a “pig in a poke”, experience and science not supporting his drastic change in military training. But, Filner is running for mayor of San Diego and this is the type of issue that appeals to his liberal base, regardless of the peril to Marines wounded on the battlefield. It may be that after much further research that some pigs may be saved, but until then Filner’s politics are “a pig too far.” Several years ago, while building a structure with a diverse group of men, a pallet fell on to the leg of an elderly man. I ran over, lifted off the pallet, raised the man in my arms and kept him talking so he wouldn’t go into shock. His leg was bleeding profusely. Standing around us, the group included several medical doctors, doing nothing. I told one to cut away his trouser leg, put on a tourniquet and apply a compress, which he then did. Fortunately, once the bleeding was slowed by the tourniquet and compress, it did not turn out to be a severed artery. Fifteen or twenty minutes later an ambulance arrived, the medic commenting that it was good the correct immediate treatment was applied, and they took the conscious elderly man away to the hospital. After, the doctor asked me how I knew what to do. I replied that in my youth I took training in the Scouts, took Red Cross First Aid courses, and had training in the Marine Corps, all in “field conditions”, all of that over forty to fifty years ago, and had to use it numerous times since. The doctor, much younger than I, obviously trained more intensely and more recently, told me that he’d never been in a trauma situation outside a hospital and was “frozen” until I started giving orders. On a tract of private land zoned agricultural near rural Alpine, near San Diego City, “live tissue trauma training” of Navy Corpsmen and some Marines uses “several” anesthetized pigs who are shot, stabbed and given other wounds. A neighbor complained, PETA jumped in with a complaint, and a local TV station sent a helicopter over the training for a video that it used in a February 16 report on what it called a “controversial military training exercise.” Although it is not in his Congressional District, liberal Democrat Congressman Bob Filner weighed in:
The Marine Corps Training & Education spokesman, 1st Lt Brian Villiard, on the contrary, said,
In 2009, a similar complaint was lodged against “live tissue trauma training” with pigs at a farm in Valley Center, north of the city of San Diego. Bob Filner was one of those who complained in a letter to the Army, which “says that use of medical simulators and placing troops in hospital emergency rooms can readily replace the current practice.” Valley Center is within San Diego County Congressman Darryl Issa’s District. Issa said, “Our Marines will see their comrades' blood in real combat -- they need to be prepared for real-life trauma.” Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr., in whose District is the Alpine farm, agreed with Issa in 2009: "If it saves lives, it's important," common-sensibly adding, "It's not harming any people -- they're pigs." In an email to me today from Congressman Duncan Hunter's D.C. office, I'm told this still reflects his position: "If it provides our Marines with the training they need to save lives, and there's no alternative that can prepare them for these situations, then the training should continue."The 2009 news report continues,
The Senate Armed Services Committee, then, reported in 2010, "According to the Department [of Defense], simulators currently lack sufficient realism and the ability to replicate combat wounds and the associated emotional stressors combat medics face on the battlefield.” Accordingly, “the [Senate Armed Services] committee also believes that the use of animals in combat trauma training remains appropriate for critical/high-risk medical procedures, until such time that alternatives are developed to provide combat medics a better training experience that more closely replicates the combat wounds and emotional stressors encountered on the battlefield.” A recent Air Force “randomized objective” test, published in May 2011, of 24 trainees in two battlefield procedures, comparing live tissue versus simulator training, then a week later on human cadavers, found a faster completion in a cricothyroidotomy (emergency tracheotomy) among those trained on live tissue of a pig and slightly slower in a thoracostomy (chest tube). “Trends suggest a possible difference, but the number of cadavers required to reach greater than 95 per cent statistical confidence prohibited continuation of the study.” Further, neither the training nor testing of this small group occurred under field or battlefield conditions, which would significantly affect the outcomes. This experienced lab researcher wrote in 2011 that “the continued use of animals for LTTT [live tissue trauma training] and MMR [military medical research] is justified.” Congressman Filner would cut short a proven training method before adequate objective analyses can be made. At a Special Operations website, discussing the TV report on the “live tissue training” near Alpine, there’s these real life experiences:
Another, identifying himself as “Medic 09”, said,
Darryl Issa served in an Explosive Ordinance Disposal unit in the Army. Duncan Hunter served as a Marine, twice in Iraq and once in Afghanistan, combat decorated. Bob Filner served as a young civil rights marcher in the mid-‘60s. Filner is currently running to be mayor of San Diego City, where the military is a major servicemember and economic presence. Filner has been very strong on obtaining care for injured veterans, but on this issue of preventing worse wound injuries his supporters come from those most critical of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and of the military’s missions and ethos. That shows in his stance on this issue, which might be called “a pig too far.” NOTE: National Journal just rated Bob Filner as one of the 19 most liberal Congressmen, all tied for number 1. More background on Bob Filner.
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Long time ago, a very experienced combat doctor in the Air Force told me that he had a relatively simple and inexpensive way of giving his paramedics training in combat medicine: he sent them to the nearby big city, to ride along with the emergency medical teams. Gunshot and knife victims galore.
"After, the doctor asked me how I knew what to do. I replied that in my youth I took training in the Scouts, took Red Cross First Aid courses, and had training in the Marine Corps, all in “field conditions”, all of that over forty to fifty years ago, and had to use it numerous times since. The doctor, much younger than I, obviously trained more intensely and more recently, told me that he’d never been in a trauma situation outside a hospital and was “frozen” until I started giving orders."
When I was a 14-year-old Boy Scout I was in a leadership training class with a bunch of kids from various Troops. All of a sudden the camp pickup truck roared up. "Help, help, Charlie's hurt!" Charlie was in the back of the truck bleeding profusely. Some of us froze, some of us started running around and the two other guys in the truck kept shouting. Nobody touched Charlie. Then Charlie stood up and got out of the back of the truck. Everyone stopped. Charlie cleaned the moulage (fake wound) off of his leg. A teaching moment then ensued. The lessons were: The more people there are around a scene like that, the LESS likely anyone is going to do something, as they're all looking for someone else to act. Having training and using it are two different things. When you are in a situation like this, ACT. DO SOMETHING. Don't wait for someone else. I have never forgotten that to this day. Use the darn pigs. Heck, surgeons experiment new techniques on dogs, but pigs are a lot more like humans (physically, I mean...)
Human cadaver practice is not the same as a live creature and, since we are neither Nazi Germany nor China, we decline to practice on humans. I do like the idea of big city EMT practice, however. These PETA types are insane. Plus, pork is a nice, sweet meat. The solution is obvious: practice on Filner and those who agree with him.
Have always wondered why people who love Mother Nature have a "I love all Nature's creatures" disorder. Obviously, they don't.
The PETA folks are forever breaking in to laboratories where valuable-to-humans research is being done and taking the experimental animals out of their cages, freeing them and going around patting themselves on the back. Their illogical and overheated reaction to being arrested is to pat themselves on the back about their deeds. I'd like to ask t them if they think a bunny rabbit is more important than a human being with fatal cancer who might have been saved by the research being done in that lab. Frankly, I think that humans, especially good humans, are far more important and worthwhile than the cutest bunny rabbit ever born. And I'd rather see possibly dangerous-to-life research carried out on animals rather than people. It's so intellectually dishonest to run around breaking into medical laboratories and destroying basic research, and then going home to have a big steak dinner. Marianne Excellent post. I wish the right people would read it.
My father was a Navy Corpsman during WWII. He enlisted at 17. I asked him once, "How old were you when you did your first surgery?". He answered, "17" and then he took a deep breath, "There was no one else available." My father had watched and learned well and when the doctor finally was able to examine the patient he said, "You keep at it and you will make a fine doctor someday, you saved this man's life". He told me many other things. He said they all made a lot of mistakes too. There were never enough trained surgeons doctors or nurses and all of that learning on the job meant a lot of men died who could have been saved. So our country invested a lot more into training, trading dollars for lives. Now the PETA folks want us to trade human lives for pigs. Typical of them. Let's try this angle, since the doctors won't be as well trained as before, let's make all doctors trained the PETA way immune from all Malpractice Lawsuits, Forever. It would be interesting to see if the PETA folks would give up the "right to sue" to save the sow. Pig Politics
As usual I am missing something. How many pigs are slaughtered for our consumption of Pork Chops, Ribs, Ham and of course Sausage? We are talking about preparing people to save lives so they might live to have the Grandchild that discovers a new Vaccine or some other wonderful reason to have been brought to this world. It's easier to like animals more than people at times but there is a distinction of value. Sorry if I sound a little rusty, I learned this 45 years ago in First Grade. |
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Today’s lead editorial in the San Diego Union-Tribune, “Saving lives is the moral high ground”, validates the post I wrote February 24, "Pig Politics Vs Marine Lives". San Diego area congressman Bob Filner, one of the most liberal in
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