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Wednesday, November 9. 2011College: An iffy investment, with my comment on the idea of an American Baccalaureate examIffy as an investment, especially in the liberal arts, but a good thing for a kid who is desperate to deepen his thinking and expand his mental life but who cannot do it on his own. After all, even Thomas Jefferson and Bill Gates took one or two years in college before they quit.
WSJ: Is an Ivy League Diploma Worth It? - Fearing Massive Debt, More Students Are Choosing to Enroll at Public Colleges Over Elite Universities Most people I know would rather hire a University of Indiana Physics major than a Harvard English Lit major. Mead: Ditching the Ivy League. A national Baccalaureate exam? Fine with me, as long as I get to design it - and as long as anybody can take it whether or not they attended college because it would be an exam on what is often regarded as post-high school academic knowledge, however acquired. I would not trust anyone to design this thing except me. Among other things, it would contain Trig and Calculus, Physics, Astronomy, Plato and Aristotle, Shakespeare, the Bible, Econ, mechanical engineering, Ancient Greece, Biochemistry, Music history and theory, Civics and American history, Anatomy, Geology, Roman law, Statistics, Architectural history, accounting, a sample essay...and many more things of substance and rigor which one typically thinks of a college grad as knowing, plus special sections on subjects of claimed expertise. There are smart and ambitious high school grads who could possibly pass the exam. This would be an elite degree representing broad and deep achievement, which people could make of it what they will, and not replace the shoddy, ordinary college degree which only means you paid your bills for four years. I doubt my Baccalaureate exam would mean much to the job market, but it would be a meaningful life credential to parade around and would be challenging enough to supercede a college BA and maybe even a Rhodes Scholarship. I'd aim for a Pass rate of around 2-10% of those brave enough to take it. Well, I'll get to work on a sample exam right now - if there's any money in it for me. Or perhaps just a separate blog post. Comments
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I've long proposed that every High School Junior be requred to take at least one semester in basic formal logic. It would enable them to recognize when they're being marketed to by corporate representatives, politicians (but I repeat myself), et. al.
If you follow the trivium model of education, logic should be in the 2nd stage (6-9th grade).
It would be good to have some formal instruction on this for many consecutive years. I also believe that every college freshman should have such a class. Might save a lot wasted time later on. There are College Board college course equivalency exams, CLEP. http://clep.collegeboard.org/ Accepted at several thousand colleges.
Decades ago, my father, a high school grad, took something like this and was accepted into law school. There are also several other programs, usually at a state level. Assuming the ending italics are yours, Mr. B.
"I doubt my Baccalaureate exam would mean much to the job market, but it would be a meaningful life credential to parade around and would be challenging enough to supersede a college BA and maybe even a Rhodes Scholarship. I'd aim for a Pass rate of around 2-10% of those brave enough to take it." Considering the amount of verbiage passed around here as ostensibly practical, what particular dividends would your Baccalaureate obtain, other than self satisfaction, which is reason enough, really, I don't mean to disparage. But other than erudite dinner companions, fanciful and entertaining riding partners, good friends who will always have a repartee for life's inevitable downsides. Of what good, in a practical manner, does your degree have in relevance to today's world. You may have been born a century or two late. Lamentably, that that is the case. As, from an autodidact's perspective I would have loved conquering the challenges you present. FYI, Japanorama provides a free Ph.D. diploma at
http://japanorama.com/images/diploma.gif The problem is that the undergraduate degree is more than an increase in knowledge. There are ways of thinking that are to be imparted. Critical thinking in the liberal arts and problem solving in STEM. Some beneficial mind training has already been purged from the university. Math is beneficial beyond the number crunching but the use of calculators and computers has overrun some mental training. I doubt anyone could interest students in mechanical drawing (if a teacher could be found) over CAD even though the manual, hand drawing builds a way to visualize the world, turn it for inspection in your mind rather than depending on the magic box to do it for you.
QUOTE: The idea is, of course, that men are successful because they have gone to college. No idea was ever more absurd. No man is successful because he has managed to pass a certain number of courses and has received a sheepskin which tells the world in Latin, that neither the world nor the graduate can read, that he has successfully completed the work required. If the man is successful, it is because he has the qualities for success in him; the college "education" has merely, speaking in terms' of horticulture, forced those qualities and given him certain intellectual tools with which to work-tools which he could have got without going to college, but not nearly so quickly. So far as anything practical is concerned, a college is simply an intellectual hothouse. For four years the mind of the undergraduate is put "under glass," and a very warm and constant sunshine is poured down upon it. The result is, of course, that his mind blooms earlier than it would in the much cooler intellectual atmosphere of the business world. A man learns more about business in the first six months after his graduation than he does in his whole four years of college. But-and here is the "practical" result of his college work-he learns far more in those six months than if he had not gone to college. He has been trained to learn, and that, to all intents and purposes, is all the training he has received. To say that he has been trained to think is to say essentially that he has been trained to learn, but remember that it is impossible to teach a man to think. The power to think must be inherently his. All that the teacher can do is help him learn to order his thoughts-such as they are. Marks, Percy, "Under Glass", Scribner's Magazine Vol 73, 1923, p 47 Actually, I'd note that things would be improved if "liberal arts" majors got a true liberal arts education. Note that mathematics, biology and chemistry are included in the liberal arts. A baccalaureate in the liberal arts ought to include at least a year of each subject.
re the illo, the Scarecrow is a hoofer name of Ray Bolger. Catch this scene from The Harvey Girls --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N5QZEo_PGQ ((tried (url) clickability, no soap, so solly!)) Each time I see a college bashing thread here at the farm, I'm certain that I'll scroll down to see that it's another from Barrister, who apparently, was the last man to actually earn a real college degree.
Cripes. Any exam I drafted would include the ability to describe the proper location, setting and stabilization of a 330 Conibear trap for beaver. For extra credit, one may describe in detail, the means by which the fur is properly put up. The point being that anyone can lack in a particular area of knowledge. What is essential is truly a collosal consideration quite specific to the individual person and degree. Ah yes, the Avocational degree to create the well rounded individual. Problem is this individual could slober all over himself talking about mechanical engineering but could he pick up an adjustable wrench and fix a leaking faucet? What has he learned to create with his hands that which he can imagine? Your list of required subject matter is impressive but misses the essential skills learned in the basement of the school where those SHOP students toil. Contrary to what most folks think, SHOP is about more than making pointed sticks.
By the way, you left out Art and Art History. A little of each would go a long way in exposing frauds like Pablo and Andy. |
I got a spanking in the comments on my college post yesterday from Dos Amigos, and perhaps did deserve it. (Well, everybody deserves a spanking anyway, just on general sinfulness principles.) So let me inquire of our readers: If a person come
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