We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
I am not one for the notion of "hallowed ground" in general, but I understand that people can and do make sacred whatever they want to, for whatever reasons. I tend to find the idea of making places where people die "sacred" to be a pagan, superstitious notion.
Anyway, of course I agree with the Pres that Moslems have the right to freely worship and gather. It's legal. But that's not the point. We recently quoted somebody's shrewd comment that "'It's legal' isn't a defense; it's a confession."
The point is that Americans and especially New Yorkers are reacting to the stunningly in-your-face insensitivity of the siting of this mosque and "cultural center." It's the insensitivity verging on hostility that pisses people off. It's probably legal to site a strip joint next to a Baptist church too, but who would do it?
As I am wont to say, civilization is more about the soft rules than the hard rules. The mosque violates an obvious soft rule of civil behavior. Codes, not laws.The usual consequences of significant soft-rule violations are shunning, rejection, avoidance, or expressions of discontent or even contempt. "Virtual stocks," you might say.
Our condescending elites only worry about the soft rules when it fits their narrative du jour (eg BJs in the Oval Office are ok). Their knee-jerk reactions generally run against the sentiments and instincts of ordinary Americans (among which I am one). I find the Imam's choice to be insulting and contemptible. We Americans have welcomed him to his new adopted country, and are reasonable to expect respect, appreciation, and gratitude instead of self-serving legalisms.
It is reasonable to expect people who wish to be accepted as Americans to learn how to behave. I would, were I to move to another culture.
I think it's a good time for another White House beer summit with the Imam, Pamela Geller, and Bo. Maybe Sissy Willis too. This issue can surely be settled by the O over some cold Coronas with lime.
Image on top: the c. 600 Hagia Sophia, minus the minarets which were added by the Ottomans when they converted this remarkable and splendid ancient Christian basilica to a mosque.
Tom - And the sobering part is, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
Monday morning, 10 am.
A day that will live in infamy.
Be prepared to spread the link far and wide.
Feebs - Nothing fermented from grain, seeds, nuts, rice, whatever. There's a short list. In the great movie "The 13th Warrior", the hero, a devout Muslim, can't enjoy the revelry as the Vikings swill down their intoxicating mead.
Then he finds out that mead is made from honey, which isn't on the forbidden list. Pretty much "The 13th Drunk" from that point on.
All manners are built on consideration for others. You keep your mouth closed when eating so as not to offend, you give up a seat in the bus for the infirm out of consideration.
Those behind the construction of the Cordoba Centre are not showing consideration for others and are displaying bad manners.
Middle Easterners are among the politest of people you will enounter. That they want to build the Cordoba Centre so close to Ground Zero is I believe, a clear indication that they have more than manners in mind.
HRT ... You mean that the choice of the site for their Cordoba Centre is not carelessness, or tone-deafness in manners? I agree. It's a deliberately ugly "Gotcha", a display of both nastiness and cruelty. It's the product of pernicious, poisonous envy, the envy of non-achievers for achievers. A few years ago I read an essay about the difference between jealousy and envy, and how much more dangerous envy was than jealousy. Jealousy is "I want what you have." Envy, on the other hand is "I want what you have and I want you not to have anything worth having, and if you have anything worth having, I want to take it away from you so you will have nothing." See how that works?
Our society is so much more advanced in every way than Middle Eastern Muslim society, both in technology and in behavior, that they hate us for it. Rather than settle down and learn how to equal us or compete with us, they'd rather blow us up, and keep on treating their women as chattels, shame them and 'honor kill' them if necessary to establish their own dominance.
You refer to it as "...the stunningly in-your-face insensitivity of the siting of this mosque...." Nobody should be stunned. Remember this: "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. " (Koran 9:123)
The offensive nature of the mosque is trivial, compared to the animosity Koran-believing Muslims have for those who are not of the "true faith."
As long as we are different from them, they will hate us. They have no respect for our feelings and no desire to be appreciated by the likes of us. We do not deserve kindness or consideration; we are going to hell, as we richly deserve. All those Islamic rules that sound like "Do unto others, etc" are guides for how Muslims are supposed to treat Muslims.
Don't be stunned...it was to be expected. Be aware. Then recall what Jesus did with the moneychangers....