Maggie's Farm

P, no, it's not true. John O'Neil merely organized into a coherent voice a non-partisan group of veterans who knew the history and were plenty p*ssed-off about Kerry's post-tour activities.

The ''swiftboaters'' took donations to get their ads & book out. Most of the donors were also GOP donors, and this fact is what the Dems spin into a GOP ''dirty trick''.

When you hear that propaganda, you might just mention that absent Kerry's vicious slanders against Viet Nam vets (the ''Jenjis Khan'' speech most notably), Viet Nam vets wouldn't have been hurt & angry enough, nor worried enough about a President Kerry, to have organized against his presidential run.

"Swiftboat" used in the Dem spin sense is a dishonest verb, something new. I guess that's 'change'.

''The irony is that Obama's election would get them exactly the country they learned to hate in college''

Great point -- the 'change' would be to a country frozen into race factions and lacking dynamism and upward mobility. Sounds great -- just the country leftists hate, and just the country they strain to create.

to get to the ugly truth, you need to get one magnitude more cynical, phil: not only are negative changes okay, but preferable, as depressed people are more docile & dependent on the authorities, while energized and dynamic people will fool around and amass so much property that hell they might even want to vote republican.

The only problem with the axiom is is that depressed people might get vote you out of office.

So what's really needed is a way around such an unfortunate event. Hence the helpless infatuation with ''strongmen'' like Castro.

Scratch a Liberal and you'll find a totalitarian. And the vast majority of 'em don't even know it. Mention Castro's political prisons and watch the delay as they frantically edit their response.

but we all know all that -- i just wanted to say it again --

Dumping the Western Canon means you don't know what's chiseled--and still remains to this day--on the walls of Delphi:

"Know Thyself"

If i needed help, i'd rather have one John O'Neil than ten thousand Michael Kinsleys.

I want him to bury Clintonism -- that would be a very very good thing for the world.

Afterwards, we have eight months to parse his thinking.

But if the Clintons get the Dem nomination, even if they lose the general they'll still be the putative head of the party -- and Hill will be only in her mid 60s in 2012. By then they'll be even more ruthless than they are today.

I'm telling ya, there is a global crime syndicate of such enormous power that it manages to mostly legalize itself in most countries, and if we put it in the White house again there is nothing to stop it anymore.

The 90s scandals, from the UN oil-for-food to Enron, WorldComm, Credit Suisse, to the Reno justice dept & the chinese military & Loral & Los Alamos, to the Gore / Chernomyrden Commission which stole for the syndicate vast USSR assets belonging to the newly free Russian people (thus dumping Russia back into authoritarianism), to IRS auditing Clinton enemies per instruction, to heads of state in Europe & North America making policy per kickbacks from enemies of the west, oh, it was so vast and pernicious that most folks have just snapped and gone blind to it.

But mark it, if the voters, in the persons of the Clintons, return it to the White House, then--in the same way that thugs have always bought neighborhood protection via throwing a little swag to the local citizens--the world will be the safe neighborhood, and the forces of the old Enlightenment will no longer have any avenue of approach, nor line of defense.

So, Go Obama! for now.

yes but the known known is the clintons; obama could be worse but i reckon the odds say vanquish the known first because if you fail to vanquish the unknown you may just get lucky and find you've taken out the greater threat. gotta pay attention to them odds ya know. of course the odds assume clintons are intolerable. if they are not then the play would be take the devil you know over the devil you don't know.