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Friday, November 8. 2024Friday morning linksWhat The Covid Panic Did To Science Legal Weed Goes Up in Smoke. Losses in Florida and the Dakotas augur an about-face. Laura Helmuth, the editor in chief of Scientific American, chimed in Interesting things are changing already NYC Mayor Eric Adams to stop giving migrants FREE pre-paid cards worth $18,500 a year to migrants over backlash to multi-million scheme Dershowitz: Kamala Harris crashed to a landslide defeat because Democrats embraced extremists Free Press Readers Saw This Coming. It’s not because we told you what to think. It’s because we did the basic job of journalism: We held up a mirror to reality. Dems Blame Free Speech for Election Loss The Biggest Transatlantic Loser from Trump's Election: Britain's Labour Government Comments
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"What The Covid Panic Did To Science" It taught a lot of us we could no longer trust the scientists like we did once.
As such it was a remedial course on trusting government science for those who did not pay attention to the quality of climate science (or economics, or gender studies, the list could go on).
There is a picture on the internet of two police in Australia (I think) who had thrown a woman to the ground because she didn't have a mask on and then they both pepper sprayed her directly in the face as she writhed in pain. THAT is what science did in 2021. That is a perfect example of our government coming to our aid. They lied and they conspired with a criminal enterprise that took hundreds of billions from taxpayers and forced us to take a drug that did not help but did in fact harm us.
I don't trust them anymore, and they continue to lie and cover it up. At the least I would want a complete investigation and trials for those who committed crimes and an overhaul of the CDC and FDA to end the incestuous relationship they have with drug companies. I think that at the international level we need to stop the dangerous "gain of function" efforts that created covid and concentrate on improving health and treatments. QUOTE: What The Covid Panic Did To Science ... No vaccine in the new mRNA line had shown, in any set of data, a perfect record. What vaccine does? That's correct. For instance, two doses of the polio vaccine are 90% effective, though if universal, that's enough protection to virtually eliminate polio in the population. QUOTE: At one point propagandists had daily pieces gleefully predicting absolute doom for that country. Sweden did fine. Sweden's fatality rate was worse than France, Germany, Netherlands, and much worse than other Nordic countries. QUOTE: At the end of the panic, after mask mandates had ended, the well known Cochrane Review came out with their careful study in which they said there was no certainty to be had about mask wearing... What happened with the Cochrane study? Ignored. That is incorrect. Multiple papers showed methodological limitations of the Cochrane review, which, when accounted for, supported the efficacy of masks. The Cochrane review itself noted that the results were not definitive. The discovery of the importance of aerosols in COVID transmission also reveals why the results of mask studies are often contradictory or inconclusive. Masks stop droplets from coughs effectively, but only limit aerosols to some degree. In crowded conditions, aerosols saturate the air, so masks are ineffective. In open-air or well-ventilated conditions, masks are ineffective because the probability of transmission from aerosols is already very low (though droplets can still transmit if people don't socially distance). But in many public environments where people congregate, such as stores and medical clinics, masks can reduce the probability of infection. QUOTE: Another model was social distancing. The six-foot rule is not hard and fast. Most droplets fall out of the air within six feet, but not all. It's a matter of probability based on degree and length of exposure. QUOTE: In early 2020, Neil Ferguson’s group at the Imperial College of London issued a model which terrified the world. More than two million dead in the USA! Turns out that 1.2 million died in the USA—and that was with widespread vaccination after the first year of the pandemic. You are pretending on Covid deaths again. When doctors and hospitals are paid for Covid deaths they will get the Covid deaths they wish for. The numbers are the result of government efforts at bribery and extortion. Want more deaths, buy them. Want more infections, buy them. Only government can get by with that kind of data collection.
Need more climate change, buy it. Need more illegal immigration, buy it. Nothing like clown world science. Died with Covid is much different than died from Covid.
I honestly don’t know why you’re still defending all this. It was an obvious shitshow predicated on fear and government control. The school unions were steering the Biden admin on school protocols and when the students could return, ffs. People want to trust the government on things like this and they went out of their way to provide they couldn’t be trusted. Hoss: Died with Covid is much different than died from Covid.
Sure, but there are multiple lines of evidence supporting the COVID death counts, including autopsies, molecular tests, and the relationship between the COVID death count and excess deaths, including through time and across geographic regions. The fact is that more than a million Americans died due to COVID. "Sweden's fatality rate was worse than France, Germany, Netherlands, and much worse than other Nordic countries." Hum. First, no one should have much confidence in the covid mortality data. It has been corrupted by the left for political purposes. But let's go with John Hopkins. Their case mortality rate was higher. But that isn't the important data. The per 100,000 population was better than most of the countries you listed.
Which still misses the mark. The Swedes allowed their individual citizens to make their own decisions and those citizens assumed the lion's share of the risk for their decisions. While contrary to the model you prefer, that is exactly the correct outcome for an elected, representative government with respect for individual rights. "two doses of the polio vaccine are 90% effective, though if universal, that's enough protection to virtually eliminate polio in the population." Great point. Polio was a disease that primarily impacted healthy children. Had a mortality rate (per case) much higher than covid and had long term disability rate that was probably 10+X higher than covid. There was. and still is not any cure or even effective treatment. While covid has a close to 0% mortality rate for young healthy people and a microscopic mortality rate for the median adult under 70. And which is easily treatable. The covid injectable therapeutic, even at 100% use rate with boosters may actually increase the infection rate and clearly does not prevent infection. It has non-trivial and still poorly understood risks. IOW, you're making your opponent's argument. For example: "Turns out that 1.2 million died in the USA—and that was with widespread vaccination after the first year of the pandemic." Ferguson's floor in his model was 166% of your dubious data. And you just admitted that the "vaccine" was ineffective. James4HJ: But let's go with John Hopkins. Their case mortality rate was higher. But that isn't the important data. The per 100,000 population was better than most of the countries you listed.
Report from Johns Hopkins:
France, 254 Sweden, 235 Germany, 203 Finland, 162 Denmark, 143 Netherlands, 138 Norway, 96 Iceland, 77 James4HJ: The Swedes allowed their individual citizens to make their own decisions and those citizens assumed the lion's share of the risk for their decisions. While contrary to the model you prefer, that is exactly the correct outcome for an elected, representative government with respect for individual rights. Infectious diseases have been long recognized as an exception to individual rights. For instance, respect for individual rights doesn't mean letting someone with smallpox wander the public streets. James4HJ: {Polio} Had a mortality rate (per case) much higher than covid That is incorrect. Most people infected with polio don't experience any symptoms, most of the rest only experiencing mild flu-like symptoms. Paralytic poliomyelitis only occurs in less than 1% of all infections, and among children only about 5% of those result in death. On a population level, the worst year for polio deaths in the United States was 1916 with 7,130 deaths. During the height of the COVID pandemic, thousands of Americans were dying every day, and going on like that month after month. James4HJ: And you just admitted that the "vaccine" was ineffective. We did no such thing. COVID vaccinations saved thousands of lives, and would have saved more if there hadn't been such strong and partisan resistance to immunization. "That is incorrect. Most people infected with polio don't experience any symptoms, most of the rest only experiencing mild flu-like symptoms." Exactly. the estimated mortality rates for polio are based on estimated infections, not diagnosed cases. Which has the impact of dramatically understating the mortality among diagnosed cases. Covid mortality rates are based on diagnosed cases rather than estimated cases, which has the impact of dramatically overstating the actual mortality rate.
"Infectious diseases have been long recognized as an exception to individual rights." To the extent that is true, it has never been constitutionally sound and rarely statutorily authorized. Further, the commonsense retort is to point out that one ought to make assessments about the severity of restrictions and mandates based upon the severity of the disease. Covid is likely less virulent and has a lower mortality rate than some strains of the flu. It never justified your preferred policies. Nor would such policies have been so aggressively advocated for or implemented had democrats not sought to maximize political harm to Trump and other republicans. "Minimizing or exaggerating problems will not lead to reasonable reform." Stop minimizing it then. Maybe show a minimum level of outrage about something that ought to make everyone see red. This is obviously not a one off. It is clearly the product of the institutional culture, which would indicate that such behavior is likely widespread. If it was not indicative of the general culture, it would not have been put in writing. Nor would the leadership wait until confronted by outsiders about it to make a public acknowledgement. They would have forwarded the report to the DOJ for criminal prosecution, and they would have acknowledged that the responsible parties had been terminated. Partisan capture of the federal bureaucracy is widespread and pernicious as well as illegal and immoral. It is odd to me that you think that this example would be anything other than the tip of the iceberg as far of such behavior is concerned.
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James4HJ: Exactly. the estimated mortality rates for polio are based on estimated infections, not diagnosed cases. Which has the impact of dramatically understating the mortality among diagnosed cases.
Exactly wrong. Cases are the denominator, fatalities ÷ cases, so they are in an inverse relationship. Diagnosed cases ≤ estimated cases, ∴ fatalities ÷ diagnosed cases ≥ to fatalities ÷ estimated cases. But we can avoid that difficult by using the population fatality rate, which in the USA is about 0.3% for COVID over the pandemic, but .007% for polio in 1916, the year with the largest number of polio deaths. Polio was just not as dangerous as COVID. Again, it's 7,130 polio fatalities over a year compared to thousands of COVID fatalities a day month in and month out. James4HJ: To the extent that is true, it has never been constitutionally sound and rarely statutorily authorized. The Supreme Court found otherwise in Jacobson v. Massachusetts. Now, you may disagree with the ruling, but the power of government to control infectious diseases is strongly rooted in the common law. Even you should grant that the government has to power to stop someone with smallpox from wandering the public streets. James4HJ: Further, the commonsense retort is to point out that one ought to make assessments about the severity of restrictions and mandates based upon the severity of the disease. Absolutely, which is why the courts use a test to balance the public need with individual rights. One can reasonably argue where to draw the line, but not whether a line can be drawn. James4HJ: This is obviously not a one off. Obviously, as in you just assume your conclusion. In the particular case, we do have evidence that FEMA immediately repudiated what happened and took corrective action. As for punishment, that requires an investigation as part of due process (you know, individual rights), and to determine whether there is a wider problem, rather than assuming your conclusion.
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2024-11-09 16:07
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James4HJ: Exactly. the estimated mortality rates for polio are based on estimated infections, not diagnosed cases. Which has the impact of dramatically understating the mortality among diagnosed cases.
Rereading your comment, are you saying that there are no infections other than diagnosed cases? We know that there are far more mild cases than severe cases and that people can spread polio even if they show no symptoms, so not sure your point. Do you have evidence rates of infection are not properly estimated? The point about the population fatality rate still stands.
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Laura Helmuth, the editor in chief of Scientific American, chimed in
with a now-deleted tweet: “I apologize to younger voters that my Gen X is so full of fucking fascists.” (Fifty-four percent of Gen X voted Trump.) The Science is settled. I'm now officially an Oversexed Authoritarian. I looked that gal up, read her Wikipedia page. Laura has a BS in biology and psychology. I wonder which degree turned her into a lunatic?
Don't flatter yourself. This is obviously a wish-fantasy, based on the paranoid belief that everyone else is having more fun than me, even if I consider I'm far more wonderful than they are!
OK, I'm down with the wish-fantasy theory, but is it Helmuth's fantasy? or mine? or yours? Good fantasy ain't for amateurs.
The Democrats have been on the wrong side for decades now. They accelerated that shift to the left under Obama and Biden. But among all the things they did wrong in the last four years and more recently just prior to the election I think that the one single thing they screwed up that caused the landslide was their response to the Hurricane. They literally abandoned those Americas hardest hit by the floods and even prevented volunteer efforts to help them. But the frosting on the cake was that the disaster exposed what they had been hiding; that they used the disaster money to fund the illegal immigration scheme to replace American citizen voters. I think that revelation converted a lot of people who would have voted Democrat otherwise.
JustMe: They {Democrats} literally abandoned those Americas hardest hit by the floods and even prevented volunteer efforts to help them. But the frosting on the cake was that the disaster exposed what they had been hiding; that they used the disaster money to fund the illegal immigration scheme to replace American citizen voters.
None of that is true. What’s true and what’s not about FEMA disaster assistance. FEMA is a disaster. It has become the national equivalent of the USAID. A large slush fund to reward friends with benefits.
Great article! FEMA tells us that FEMA is totally trustworthy!!
I don't have an axe to grind against FEMA, but if you think that's trustworthy, it says a lot about you. Daily Wire has obtained a FEMA memo explicitly instructing FEMA workers to not assist people in houses with Trump signs in the yard. Multiple FEMA employees have confirmed they were told to do so, and FEMA leadership has admitted the memo is legitimate. You're both ignorant and morally wrong. Quite the combination.
"FEMA has an important and generally positive role in disaster relief." No. It suffers from the same flaw as all government bureaucracy: it is and has long been completely unaccountable for its failures graft, waste, and corruption. A condition which will hopefully change soon. Mike Anderson: Then of course, there's this.
James4HJ: Daily Wire has obtained a FEMA memo explicitly instructing FEMA workers to not assist people in houses with Trump signs in the yard. While still under investigation, the article indicates that it was an isolated incident, and that FEMA has contacted the affected families. That would go under the "All bureaucracies have inefficiencies and avenues of corruption (whether public or private)." But only an honest look at the actual facts of the matter will result in improvements. Minimizing or exaggerating problems will not lead to reasonable reform. You're confusing incompetence with malfeasance. You're also spreading lies. FEMA didn't abandon anyone and government wasn't stopping volunteers from helping. It's not FEMA's job to go in to a disaster to rescue people.
There is plenty of evidence of the incompetence of government. Use this if you want to persuade people to reconsider their politics. But when people find out you are lying you won't be able to convince them of anything. You just look like you line your windows with aluminum foil. I'm an Irishman, only a spectator, but I'm having difficulty reconciling your post with: https://www.fema.gov/about/strategic-plan/about-fema
Anyway, if you're right, why are people's taxes wasted on this FEMA fraud? FEMA is not, in all cases, the dispassionate deliverer of disaster assistance:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive-fema-official-ordered-relief-workers-to-skip-houses-with-trump-signs jack walter: You're confusing incompetence with malfeasance.
That’s a valid point. All bureaucracies have inefficiencies and avenues of corruption (whether public or private). But only an honest look at the actual facts of the matter will result in improvements. Minimizing or exaggerating problems will not lead to reasonable reform. FEMA has an important and generally positive role in disaster relief. I wouldn't read too much into the Florida marijuana defeat. The way the amendment was written, it was pretty much an exclusive franchise award to Trulieve and a couple of other established companies. It did not legalize home grown or make allowance for any new entries into the market. As it stood, in combined the worst aspects of both legalization and criminalization.
For the Amendment to work as advertised there would have had to have been a crackdown on all sources other than the few that were legalized, including dealers between 17 and 21, the exact age bracket that's said to be inordinately impacted by the current laws. That's the problem with embracing extremists,
1. there aren't enough of them with which to win, 2. they offend and/or embarrass everyone else, driving supporters away. How many child-lusting transexuals are there in a population, anyway?
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