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My sister and I, both college dropouts in our 20s, both made the decision to go into engineering- without consulting each other. The best student in my engineering cohort - she did homework problems in class that took others hours to do when working together- was a woman. Another woman in my engineering cohort became an engineering professor.

So, I am familiar with and comfortable with women in engineering. My offhand reaction is that 20% women in engineering is about all you are going to get. The spatial thinking skills needed in engineering are not found in equal proportions in men compared to women. Then there is math.

Note that men and women choose professions in different proportions. Primary and secondary teachers are predominantly women. It isn't just engineering. The mechanistic thinking that women should comprise 50% of engineers is as absurd as thinking that men should comprise 50% of elementary school teachers.

#1 Gringo on 2023-10-11 11:59 (Reply)

I am not an engineer, but I am from a family of teachers.
90% of my aunts and cousins are teachers (or, somewhat related, social workers).

Out of all those, only one male is a teacher. The ratio is very high toward women - and my mother told me why long ago (she was a teacher).

"Nurturing skills are natural with us, and teaching is a nurturing profession."

I wouldn't go so far as to say they lack spatial skills or even the ability to handle math (nor are you though you hint at it). After all, I'm very good at math, studied Physics for 2 years and was taught all my math (including a year at college) by women.

So clearly the skill sets exist - it's a question of choice. There is probably a set of personal reasons why they don't pursue those paths - and I think I know one.

While I was a Physics major, I noticed an extreme cut-throat set of behaviors among the student body. Removing information or opportunities to find it, destroying others' work, engaging in various subterfuges to make it harder for others.

These were largely male traits. I don't know if it's still this way - my neighbor's son just graduated with a degree in civil engineering and said it is still common. But that's one anecdote.

My guess is women aren't like this for the most part, and like me chose to leave that course of study. It was too much work to keep up with the shenanigans.

I'll add my own personal point, though - and this revolves around income. Everyone in my field is paid equally and has been for quite some time. My own wife, who entered the field late in life but proved to be more adept at the math needed, and more suited to the roles she's involved with, was underpaid until about 5 years ago. She was a rarity - and being underpaid helped her keep her job while many others younger than her were laid off.

Today she's on par with everyone - making her a target for the next layoff.

Generally speaking, women in comparative fields are NOT underpaid vis-a-vis men anymore. Haven't been for many years, really.
I have many friend working in fracking out in the midwest. No women, high pay. Why no women? Extreme danger. Not a little - literally a LOT.

Nurturing skills pay off in different ways than money. People complaining about their pay packets rarely consider all the properties needed to have those packets.

My wife was happy to be underpaid. She felt is was gender driven - I told her it was experience driven. She was older and with less experience than younger people - but she was happy because she wasn't laid off.

Benefits come in different ways.

#1.1 Bulldog on 2023-10-11 12:24 (Reply)

If anybody thinks that women don't engage in absolutely scorched earth, cutthroat behaviors, well..... they've never had a daughter in a ballet company, and seen how the other mothers and daughters behave.

#1.1.1 Aggie on 2023-10-11 13:12 (Reply)

I wouldn't go so far as to say they lack spatial skills...
Nor would I: "The spatial thinking skills needed in engineering are not found in equal proportions in men compared to women." Unequal proportions doesn't mean lacking. Anecdote: when I was 5,we spent the summer at my grandparents. I walked all over their town, and never got lost. My 7 year old sister got lost. Though there is some dispute in the research about spatial skills differing or not with regard to sex, so I might be mistaken.

or even the ability to handle math (nor are you though you hint at it)
From IQ curves: Males have more retards and more geniuses. Females have fewer retards and fewer geniuses. Anecdote: I worked as an aide in an institution for the mentally retarded: many more males were residents there.

My major was chemical engineering. I detected no cutthroat behavior. When you spent 30 hours a week on a five credit lab course, the emphasis is on cooperation.

IIRC, Sweden has done more than most countries in breaking down barriers for women, but that hasn't resulted in much change regarding male/female splits within given professions.

#1.1.2 Gringo on 2023-10-11 15:33 (Reply)

My two cents:
Women are different from men, an indisputable fact. While a man will talk cars, construction, fighting, sports for hours and hours even their entire life, a women will talk babies, makeup, cooking and clothing their entire life. Men and women are equally intelligent BUT women want something different from men, naturally. Some women are challenged by women's lib to take on non-traditional roles. Good for them, I don't care, I don't really see any reason anyone should care anymore than they would care if I listed all my jobs in my 80 years and my likes and dislikes. BUT, women's movements/activists insist you must care and they encourage women who don't really care about STEM to be in STEM just to prove men are jerks, or something. Fine! I don't care. They would have been happier to not be pushed into a job they aren't really interested in, a job with less hours and more reason to dress up but they tricked/coerced into something else just to prove a point.

But here is what you rarely see; women from the age of about 6 or 7 spending hours of their day and for the rest of their lives only concentrating on STEM fields. I was a nerd in grade school, in Jr. High, in High School and in college. I am still a nerd at age 80 and go out to eat or drink with friends but would rather be home being a nerd. But my wife, like every woman on earth, still asks "does my hair look OK?" or "does this dress look good on my" and somehow fails to understand even now that I have no idea what her hair looks like or should look like but I just fixed the TV so I can see the Ring Camera on it. And THAT will never change no matter how many little girls live you ruin by forcing them to take STEM classes ONLY because you want to prove women are as smart as men.

#1.1.2.1 JustMe on 2023-10-12 14:46 (Reply)

The grant was recently awarded to the University at Buffalo’s Matilde Sánchez-Peña, an assistant professor of engineering education.

So this person is some sort of engineer-first-removed? Kinda like "music appreciator" vs "musician?"

#1.2 Mike Anderson (Link) on 2023-10-11 12:45 (Reply)

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Climate ‘experts’ assure us they weren’t wrong, it was just a ‘miracle’ year

Here's the Seasonal Precipitation Outlook from August 2022, which predicted average precipitation.

As with weather predictions, seasonal predictions have a high probability of variance. In particular, the rainfall in California depends on the El Niño-Southern Oscillation. There was a notable shift from La Niña to El Niño bringing rain to the Southwest.

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If the earth warms as predicted, won’t a lot of water evaporate to offset the melting ice?

The Earth is a watery world, so the amount of water vapor in the air isn't dependent on the amount of melting, but on the temperature of the atmosphere. Consequently, as the Earth's surface warms, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor, on the order of 0.025 to 0.1 kg/m2/year. This is a negligible amount of the melted ice. However, water vapor is a strong greenhouse gas. That means that if the atmosphere warms—for whatever reason—the warming will be amplified by increased atmospheric water vapor.

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Why would anyone believe that politicians and bureaucrats could control temperatures, sea levels, and storm activity forever, if they couldn’t foresee a terrorist attack in Israel that was allegedly planned months in advance, by known terrorists?

Who can believe that scientists can predict the orbit of Jupiter when it is so far away?! Especially when they can't predict the stock market which is so close!!!!??!!

#2 Zachriel on 2023-10-11 12:19 (Reply)

Sarcastic yet meaningless "enlightenment" from ChatGPT.

#2.1 Zachinoff on 2023-10-11 12:36 (Reply)

Water vapor is a strong greenhouse gas... unless it is a cloud. As Clauser and others have pointed out, clouds are ignored in the AGW arguments involving the 40 climate models.

https://www.science.org/content/article/changing-clouds-unforseen-test-geoengineering-fueling-record-ocean-warmth

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/nobel-winner-refutes-climate-change-narrative-points-out-ignored-factor-5486267?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=whatfinger&src_cmp=whatfinger

#2.2 indyjonesouthere on 2023-10-11 13:16 (Reply)

Z: The Earth is a watery world

The role of water vapor and clouds has been an intense area of study for climate science. The Aqua satellite mission, part of the international Earth Observing System, has been collecting extensive information on "evaporation, clouds, and precipitation. The collection of observational data has allowed climate scientists to narrow the range of likely climate sensitivities. For instance, see Myers et al., Observational constraints on low cloud feedback reduce uncertainty of climate sensitivity, Nature Climate Change 2021: "These constraints imply a moderate climate sensitivity (~3 K)."

#2.3 Zachriel on 2023-10-11 14:31 (Reply)

"Observational constraints on low cloud feedback reduce uncertainty of climate uncertainty, Nature Climate Change 2021: these constraints imply a moderate climate sensitivity (3k)"

Is that statement from a recent Kamala Harris or Biden speech? That is an unscientific word salad signifying cluelessness. Did they add the 3K to 'buff' up the flabbiness? Another static AGW solution to a non static world? Clauser is right... it is ignored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6R038WeiE

#2.3.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-10-11 15:18 (Reply)

....uncertainty of climate sensitivity, ...

#2.3.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-10-11 15:21 (Reply)

Z -

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making stuff up isn't an argument

Z -

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...the amount of water vapor in the air isn't dependent on the amount of melting, but on the temperature of the atmosphere.

Concerning the eruption of Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai volcano on Jan. 15 2022: It is estimated to have sent around 58,000 olympic sized swimming pools into the stratosphere. One olympic sized pool holds 660,430 gallons of water. Just one olympic pool is enough water for two people living in the suburbs to water their lawn 4 months out of the year, do all the household chores, cook and shower every day for 3 years!

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“We’ve never seen anything like it,” said Luis Millán, an atmospheric scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California.

#2.4 B. Hammer on 2023-10-11 16:38 (Reply)

B. Hammer: Concerning the eruption of Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai volcano on Jan. 15 2022

That's right. The eruption oversaturated stratospheric water vapor by about 10-15%. It is expected the atmosphere will return to its natural equilibrium in a few years. See Jenkins et al., Tonga eruption increases chance of temporary surface temperature anomaly above 1.5 °C, Nature Climate Change 2023: "results in a +0.12 (±0.04) W/m2 IRF perturbation directly following the eruption event, which subsequently decays as the stratospheric water vapour perturbation is removed over the following decade." In other words, it is not expected to have an effect on Earth's long term mean surface temperature.

Conversely, if you were to take water vapor out of the atmosphere, and because the Earth is a watery world, the water vapor would be replaced through evaporation. In other words, the atmosphere would return to equilibrium, which is largely dependent on temperature.

(It is possible that even temporary changes of sufficient effect could cause long term change in the global mean temperature. If a series of volcanoes added huge amounts of water vapor to the atmosphere, it could cause ice melt, which is also a positive forcing. So, even once the volcanism waned, and the excess water was precipitated out of the atmosphere, the loss of ice could result in a warmer Earth. Similarly, though in the opposite direction, volcanoes that added a lot of sulfate particles to the stratosphere, which cool the atmosphere. Normally, the climate would return to normal, but if enough ice was formed, it could tip the Earth into a cooler phase.)

#2.4.1 Zachriel on 2023-10-11 17:10 (Reply)

The stock market and climate change are not and have never been static models. The inputs to each continually change. For the markets are driven by social mood while the climate is driven by natures picadilloes. Nature operates in cycles just as various business cycles operate. Neither operate in the manner of Z's orbital mechanics of Jupiter. The climate models are terrible at including non static events that affect climate. The Milenkovich cycle predicts long term cycles but there are dozens of short term events that greatly modify that cycle. CO2 is not one of them. There is no correlation between CO2 and temperature. Like gold and the fiat dollar, they sometimes move together and sometimes move in opposite directions.

And fair warning... the social mood is turning sour... the last US market top was Dec2021/Jan2022 as measured with dollars. As measured in ounces of gold it was about the year 2000.

#2.4.2 indyjonesouthere on 2023-10-11 18:35 (Reply)

Tonight we invade Iran! Yes we can.
Oh wait...Barry and Val Jarr don't like that.
It's a good thing that we are the manufacturing powerhouse of the world with a low printing press activity rate going into WWII.
April Fools is a long way off.
Didn't the Founders warn us of placing nations above nations and being involved in treaties?
Climate change was always about power and control of the useless eater deplorable kulak untermenschen and it can be rebranded at any time like an ozone hole.

#3 Jim Dandy To The Rescue on 2023-10-11 14:36 (Reply)

♫"Once upon a time, I went to Maine.
Got a ticket on a DC plane.
Mr. Dandy didn't need no chute!
I was high and ready to boot!
Jim Dandy to the rescue!
Go, Jim Dandy! Go, Jim Dandy!" ♫

#3.1 B. Hammer on 2023-10-11 16:13 (Reply)

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"At first we were ecstatic": Gaza's FAFO moment and Iran's strategic miscalculation . . . What becomes clear in this piece from the far-Left Haaretz is the dawning realization that Gazans made a fatal miscalculation by launching this war.

What is confirmed once again is that hatred engenders folly.

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U.S. President Biden: Hamas offers nothing but terror and bloodshed with no regard to who pays the price. . .

Like every nation in the world, Israel has the right to respond — indeed has a duty to respond — to these vicious attacks. . .

And let there be no doubt: The United States has Israel’s back.

#4 Zachriel on 2023-10-11 14:49 (Reply)

The headline on this WSJ article is an early signal as to how far this administration will 'have' Israel's back.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/as-israel-bombards-gaza-fears-of-humanitarian-disaster-mount-20bbd6e3?st=7imyifvfzfchv95&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

As the humanitarian cries for the poor Gazans get louder, the US government will do it's best to restrain Israel from doing what needs doing. Hopefully this time Israel won't listen.

#4.1 John Fisher on 2023-10-11 15:12 (Reply)

John Fisher: what needs doing

What needs doing? Are humanitarian concerns not an issue, consistent with the security of Israel?

#4.2 Zachriel on 2023-10-11 15:41 (Reply)

Still waiting for the Quibble-DickZ unequivocal
condemnation of the Hamas savagery in Israel.

#4.2.1 Zachinoff on 2023-10-11 18:25 (Reply)

Today Israel, tomorrow it could be France, England, Sweden or the USA. THIS, this massive terrorist attack followed by rebuilding for another terrorist attack will continue and everywhere that the Muslims gain a large minority of the population they will do this. It is coming to every country in the West. Israel should attack relentlessly until everyone involved in any way is dead. They should do this to gain a few years of peace. But they won't. They will go just so far and no further. And while they are doing this trying to free the hostages and bury their dead the Various Muslim countries around them will plan the next attack. The lesson here is that you cannot win this war by winning a battle, even winning that battle decisively. They must destroy them all. Yes I know they can't/wont. But eventually it will be obvious to everyone that destroying all Muslim countries is the only choice. Sounds terrible doesn't it. That's because it hasn't happened to you yet. There will be another 9/11. There will be more muslim terrorists killing hundreds maybe thousands of innocent civilians and eventually there will be a terrorist group that gets nukes. When that happens, THEN you will finally understand there in no coexistence with a country or a people whose entire life revolves around killing you and hopefully in the most grizzly manner possible. But by then they won't be a minority and it will be likely that it took too long for the civilized world to get it.

#5 OneGuy on 2023-10-11 17:46 (Reply)

Are you saying the Religion of Peace isn't so peaceful? How can that be when 'Peace' is right there in the name?

#5.1 Jerryskids on 2023-10-11 21:29 (Reply)

OneGuy: But eventually it will be obvious to everyone that destroying all Muslim countries is the only choice. Sounds terrible doesn't it.

There are well over a billion Muslims in the world. Do you mean destroy their governments? Will you set up a prison for a billion people? Or just kill them all? Have you actually thought through what you are advocating?

#5.2 Zachriel on 2023-10-11 22:18 (Reply)

Reread it. What I said was THAT is their intent for us and if we don't wake up to that reality we are toast, exactly because there are over a billion of them.

As for the "what" to do that should be and will be obvious once you are red pilled. What do you think you do with a person or a entire group of people who are committed to killing you? There is only one answer; either you kill or be killed.

#5.2.1 OneGuy on 2023-10-11 22:31 (Reply)

OneGuy: What I said was THAT is their intent for us

You said, “But eventually it will be obvious to everyone that destroying all Muslim countries is the only choice.” Destroy them how? Overthrow their governments? Colonize them? Run them as prisons? Or just kill them all? Or are you retracting your statement?

#5.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-10-11 22:42 (Reply)

EXACTLY! Just as YOU predict global climate change I am predicting global war. NOT advocating it, just as YOU aren't advocating climate change. Just exactly like the Muslim terrorists are killing all the Christians in Nigeria. THAT is their plan for the world IF we let them. They do not intend to change their minds or their religion. They have told us what they will do and where ever they have the power they are doing it. To ignore that would be stupid. Everyone, like yourself, who makes excuses for the Muslim terrorists and their religious terrorists beliefs are complicit. Because most people, most religions believe in peace and not being aggressive towards those who hate them we are sitting ducks for this. The ONLY thing that will save us is to deal with it sooner rather than later AND to deal with it decisively. AND as I already stated I don't think the normal people in the world have the guts to do so. They will have to be red pilled as in an attack on their country killing innocent women and children. But... once the terrorists have nukes THAT will be a very expensive red pill.

#5.2.2.1 OneGuy on 2023-10-12 10:41 (Reply)

Z: What color is the sky?

OneGuy: EXACTLY!

Hmm.

OneGuy: I am predicting global war. NOT advocating it

You specifically said that "destroying all Muslim countries is the only choice." So, again, destroy them how? Overthrow their governments? Colonize them? Run them as prisons? Or just kill them all?

OneGuy: Everyone, like yourself, who makes excuses for the Muslim terrorists and their religious terrorists beliefs are complicit.

We condemn terrorism. The actions of Hamas were despicable and indefensible. Now, try answering the question.

#5.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-10-12 12:06 (Reply)

"You specifically said that "destroying all Muslim countries is the only choice.""

Yes that is my prediction. Because their religion says that destroying or enslaving all non-Muslims is mandatory as their plan progresses the West will figure it out and declare war on them, hopefully not after they become major nuclear powers. You would prefer death or enslavement!?!?!?

"We condemn terrorism. The actions of Hamas were despicable and indefensible."

YOU LIE! Did you go and enlist???

#5.2.2.2.1 OneGuy on 2023-10-12 14:33 (Reply)

OneGuy: Yes that is my prediction.

But you still didn't answer the question.

#5.2.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-10-12 15:05 (Reply)

"We condemn terrorism. The actions of Hamas were despicable and indefensible." Your odious equivocation is based on a false equivalency between the actions of Hamas and Israel. Israel is far morally superior to Hamas specifically and to Palestinians generally. As is demonstrated by the fact that Palestinians who are Israeli citizens enjoy far more prosperity, security and freedom than those who live in Gaza or the west bank. As well as the fact that Hamas intentional seeks to increase the suffering of civilians, both Palestinian and Israeli, while Israel tries to limit the suffering of all civilians.
But then, you've never said anything that you thought might ever be against your perceived political interests, or had the slightest regard for telling the truth.

#5.2.2.2.3 James on 2023-10-12 18:19 (Reply)

James: Your odious equivocation is based on a false equivalency between the actions of Hamas and Israel.

Whatever faults one may find with Israeli policies concerning the Palestinians, none of that justifies the vicious attacks on civilians. Israel has a right and a duty to defend itself. Hamas has sown the wind and will reap the whirlwind.

#5.2.2.2.4 Zachriel on 2023-10-12 20:34 (Reply)

Here is a great example of the problem. https://www.dailywire.com/news/virginia-school-board-member-opposes-moment-of-silence-for-victims-of-hamas-attack
They cannot and will not change. They are pure evil. Get them out of our country.

#5.2.2.2.4.1 OneGuy on 2023-10-14 12:22 (Reply)

You specifically said that "destroying all Muslim countries is the only choice." So, again, destroy them how? Overthrow their governments? Colonize them? Run them as prisons? Or just kill them all?

#5.2.2.2.4.2 Zachriel on 2023-10-14 16:49 (Reply)

SquawSnatch Warren is profoundly self-unaware. Massachusetts deserves here, good and hard.

Why on earth is the US Senate the culmination of the very worst cretins to defile America?

#6 Tally Whagger on 2023-10-11 19:48 (Reply)

Inspiring!!

https://rumble.com/v3ok9jj-inspiring-plane-of-jewish-youths-from-peru-touches-down-in-israel-with-youn.html

#7 Zachinoff on 2023-10-11 20:30 (Reply)

All Western nations should pay attention to what happened in Israel. Most of those people who died in the first few hours died because Israel does not have a 2nd amendment. If your government thinks you should just hide under your bed until the terrorists are attacking army gets to your house and then they kill you than you need a different government. Pay attention Canada and Australia. Your governments are letting in terrorists and restricting your right to own a gun. Imagine the Israeli victim's last thought as they torture and kill them, "I wish I'd had a gun". For those of you who embrace and enjoy a 2nd amendment, keep your gun loaded and handy. Have you seen the videos of those "asylum" seekers ganging up on Americans and beating them senseless and stealing their wallet? You have to hunt for the video and don't expect the news to show it. Our government and MSM are colluding to coverup WHO it is that commits violent crimes. Biden would have you believe the threat is from white conservative men but they commit about 1% of violent crimes and 0% of the smash and grabs. Hang on, it's all going to get worse.

#8 Anon on 2023-10-13 15:01 (Reply)

Take note of those who support the torture, rape, beheadings of innocent civilian women, children and old people in Israel. These are the people who through stupidity or intent will support terrorists here and another 9/11. Everyone of those college students spilling their bile and hatred of the Jews and those innocents who were slaughtered should have their name and picture listed on the internet. Let them proudly own their hatred and stupidity. Make sure that you notice Muslim immigrants and sons and daughters of Muslim immigrants living here getting welfare and free stuff how easily they revert to hate of Christians and Jews. Yes they hate YOU if your are a Christian or a jew, they hate you here in your own country while your government taxes you to support them. Think about how easily THEY would do to you what the terrorists in Gaza did to the Israelis. They hate you, they freely and happily tell you that they hate you and would kill you. Meanwhile 10,000 unaccounted for and unidentified people are crossing our Southern border everyday by your governments choice and many of them will be the terrorists of tomorrow here in America. Biden and his puppet masters did this intentionally, this isn't incompetence.

#9 OneGuy on 2023-10-13 15:23 (Reply)

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