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Hey! I’ve got this crazy, far out idea. Why not put the diesel engine on the garbage truck. It could be used for propulsion and power for turning the hydraulic pump. Crazy, right?

Meanwhile, John Kerry, who has never done a productive thing in his whole pathetic life, is running around telling us that modern agriculture must be sacrificed to save the planet. Not to save humanity, mind you. The planet. They are starting to say the quiet part out loud. Cull the heard. Listen to them. Believe what they say.

#1 B. Hammer on 2023-08-01 09:31 (Reply)

B. Hammer: Why not put the diesel engine on the garbage truck.

To be clear, the use of generators was temporary, due to a problem with the interface to the electrical source.

#1.1 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 09:53 (Reply)

If that’s what you want to believe.

#1.1.1 B. Hammer on 2023-08-01 10:00 (Reply)

B. Hammer: If that’s what you want to believe.

Is that what you say when you don't have evidence to support your position?

#1.1.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 10:15 (Reply)

Does it matter how much evidence is given to you? I’ve played this game with you before. You’ll eventually move the goal post, or start deflecting; use words like temporary. There is plenty of evidence to support my point. There are plenty of reports, showing temporary diesel charging stations. Why there are even memes about it. Why would that be?

What magical invention powers the majority of the earth moving equipment to produce your EV? Do you believe that all the power that charges EV’s comes from wind and solar? What product made it possible to even build your magic EV, wind generator and solar panel? Almost every component in your EV, wind generator and solar panel, relies heavily on petroleum. Coal, natural gas and the mighty diesel engine powers your EV, whether you will admit to it or not.

#1.1.2.1 B. Hammer on 2023-08-01 10:49 (Reply)

B. Hammer: Does it matter how much evidence is given to you?

Indeed, it does. Furthermore, many more people read the blog than comment. You can always support your position for their sake.

B. Hammer: You’ll eventually move the goal post, or start deflecting; use words like temporary.

If you mean sticking to the original point, then we do. In this case, reports say it was temporary, there is no reason not to use the electric chargers in the future, so the report makes sense. In reply, you say "Is not!"

B. Hammer: Do you believe that all the power that charges EV’s comes from wind and solar?

No. As we have noted in the past, the greenness of an EV is largely a factor of the energy source. If your source is green, then the EV is green. If your source is carbon-intensive, the your EV is carbon-intensive. However, as energy sources are updated, EVs will become greener.

Wales is about 1/3 green, 2/3 fossil fuels, with green sources increasing rapidly, including wind and tide.

B. Hammer: What product made it possible to even build your magic EV, wind generator and solar panel?

Fossil fuels are the basis of the current carbon-intensive energy infrastructure. That power can be used to bootstrap the green energy infrastructure.

#1.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 11:06 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Fossil fuels are the basis of the current carbon-intensive energy infrastructure. That power can be used to bootstrap make the green energy infrastructure fantasy seem real.

FIFY.

#1.1.2.2.1 Bill Carson on 2023-08-01 12:04 (Reply)

The article points out the lack of infrastructure to maintain the current fleet due to the lack of foresight caused by an imaginary/arbitrary deadline.

Please STFD and STFU.

#1.1.2.2.2 Zachinoff on 2023-08-01 12:07 (Reply)

Bill Carson: FIFY

Global warming is a real phenomenon which will have a real economic, ecological, and social impacts. But, humans are also highly inventive. The energy infrastructure gets replaced every fifty years or so. There's no reason why that infrastructure can't be upgraded over time with newer, greener technologies.

Currently, there is no solution to eliminate all carbon emissions. However, that's no reason to not take steps towards reducing carbon emissions while working on longer-term solutions.

#1.1.2.2.3 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 12:57 (Reply)

AGW is grifting science.

wattsupwiththat 7/31/2023 Houston recognizes they have a problem, the UHI.

americanthinker 7/31/2023 What NASA and the European space agency are admitting but the media are failing to report about our current heat wave.

publicdotsubstack 7/24/2023 Solar panels are three times more carbon-intensive than IPCC claims C.P.Colum and Lea Booth

#1.1.2.2.3.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 13:26 (Reply)

Grifters indeed!

QUOTE:

Of all the beneficiaries of the U.S.’s green-energy push, few have hit the jackpot like First Solar.
The Arizona-based solar-panel manufacturer expects to receive as much as $710 million this year—nearly 90% of forecast operating profit—from subsidies the U.S. government rolled out a year ago to encourage domestic renewables production. One analyst estimates the incentives could be worth more than $10 billion for the company over the next decade.

https://archive.is/ojozI

#1.1.2.2.3.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-08-01 13:49 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: wattsupwiththat 7/31/2023 Houston recognizes they have a problem, the UHI.

Well, in order to cross-check the land stations temperature trend, look at satellite observations of the lower atmosphere, which also show the same basic warming trend.

#1.1.2.2.3.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 13:58 (Reply)

There are so few years of satellite temps that you are now closer to describing weather rather than climate. And the UHi will change from year to year based on expanding urban/suburban areas.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 14:06 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: There are so few years of satellite temps that you are now closer to describing weather rather than climate. And the UHi will change from year to year based on expanding urban/suburban areas.

Ignoring the evidence doesn't make it go away. The claim is that the Urban Heat Island effect (UHI) is skewing the warming trend. Satellite observations are not subject to the UHI, but they show the same warming trend.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 14:25 (Reply)

You are ignoring false data that is being used to justify the spending grifters in the AGW "science". The "trend" that you mention is too short to apply to all of the historical data. There is a reason no one wants to trust the "science" because all the rules of "science" are ignored in order to continue the "science" grift. What government really does is use manipulated data to increase their power, control, and money. It is psychopaths that push this crap and the IPCC knows little "science" but knows a lot about MONEY, CONTROL, and POWER. NWO/WEF/BBB are real, and the "science" is optional.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 14:49 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The "trend" that you mention is too short to apply to all of the historical data.

We're not applying to all of the historical data, just data since 1979. Again, the claim is that UHI is skewing the warming trend, but the same warming trend is seen in the satellite data which is unaffected by the UHI. Consequently, the UHI doesn't account for the warming trend.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 14:54 (Reply)

Now apply all of the temperature data you collected to the American Thinker article in which a single event will crater the CO2 theory because it is an H2O causation. Show me the climate model that includes this event and its effect over a number of years. The IPCC will blame the temp increase on CO2 and the need to cut more carbon emissions. The science is corrupted and that is the reason no one trusts the science. How many times has such an event occurred before? The science is clueless but the price we pay is endless. The grifters are the only winners.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 15:04 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere,

You have abandoned the discussion on UHI. Good.

Once you grant the point about UHI, we'd be happy to address your new point.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 15:14 (Reply)

The UHI discussion is not abandoned. I listed the three articles for a reason. Now address the question without deflecting or moving the goal posts around.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 15:29 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Now address the question without deflecting or moving the goal posts around.

He says as he deflects.

The claim was that the warming trend is due to skewing from the UHI. However, the satellite data contradicts that claim. Nor can the Hunga Ha’apai eruption explain the warming trend as it only occurred last year. Solar panels obviously don't explain the warming trend either.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 15:47 (Reply)

You had all three articles to read before making a comment. Now you will have to address how they relate to each other. Not even the IPCC science ever cares to do that. They deflect or ignore just as you are doing.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 15:52 (Reply)

The solar panels explain the shallowness of IPCC research on simple engineering inputs.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.2 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 15:56 (Reply)

Do you actually think such an underwater volcanic eruption is the only one that has occurred in the last hundred years. Show me the climate model that incorporates those eruptions and when those eruptions occurred. It should be simple as water vapor is more of a greenhouse gas than CO2.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.3 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 16:02 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Now you will have to address how they relate to each other.

We just did. None of them explain the warming trend.

indyjonesouthere: Show me the climate model that incorporates those eruptions and when those eruptions occurred.

All of them. Volcanic eruptions are very important in the study of climate. Among other things, they help determine climate sensitivity.

We note you continue to evade on the subject of UHI.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.4 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 17:31 (Reply)

You continue to evade pointing out the H2O model in the yearly climate trend. There should be an actual observable surface temp change whenever there is an underwater volcano eruption of this magnitude. Or for any other underwater eruption of similar magnitude. And all you can point to is a trend. A trend now becomes AGW science. And promoted by IPCC politicians. All that AGW science has to show for ground data is 40 years of data that is indirectly recorded and processed by the government.
I've seen how the government records and processes data from Covid. I've seen how East Anglia recorded and processed climate data. I've seen how Michael Mann recorded and processed climate data. And we have all seen how these very same governments censor data that is inconvenient for them. The only trend in UHI is the increasingly unreliable data that will be turned out yearly and the data will be unevenly inaccurate. The only trend that becomes obvious is obfuscation by government and the grifters they employ.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.4.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 19:06 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: You continue to evade pointing out the H2O model in the yearly climate trend.

You're sort of making a point, but without providing the actual model or the associated data.

indyjonesouthere: Or for any other underwater eruption of similar magnitude.

Okay. Are you saying that underwater volcanic eruptions have been increasing since 1979? Where's your data on underwater eruptions? Do you have evidence of this? Keep in mind that the atmosphere will hold only so much water for any length of time, dependent largely on temperature. Excess water will be precipitated out of the atmosphere over time to return the system to equilibrium.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.4.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-08-02 09:05 (Reply)

The model and associated data are the problem for the AGW fanatics that insist that it is man-made warming. The article was there for you to read on large underwater volcanic eruptions. But there is no AGW data, that is available, that even mentions any climate data on such eruptions. Only on above water eruptions. As the article point out, there will be several years of temperature changes due to the huge influx of greenhouse water vapor added to the atmosphere. AGW fanatics, especially politicians and carbon credit virtuosos, will simply blame it all on CO2 from this single event. The temp records should easily point out such underwater events but I would rather guess they have no idea as it was never contemplated. Combine those omissions with the incompetent engineering data from the IPCC and we are suddenly inundated with mediocre information from the model grifters and disastrous solutions from the political grifters. There is only 40-45 years of satellite data that could have even measured these underwater events. When and where are these events recorded and accounted for in the AGW models. There are none. When all is said and done all you have is an upward trend resulting from the end of an ice age. Trends are not science, they are pure conjecture and can end at any time.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.4.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-02 10:59 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The model and associated data are the problem for the AGW fanatics that insist that it is man-made warming.

Scientists already have models that explain the current warming trend. If you propose some other explanation, it is up to you to provide evidence to support your position.

indyjonesouthere: The article was there for you to read on large underwater volcanic eruptions.

The article concerns the very unusual 2022 eruption, but that can't explain the warming trend from 1979 to 2021.

indyjonesouthere: But there is no AGW data, that is available, that even mentions any climate data on such eruptions. Only on above water eruptions.

Huh? See, Vömel et al., Water vapor injection into the stratosphere by Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai, Science 2022. Also, Sioris et al., Direct injection of water vapor into the stratosphere by volcanic eruptions, Geophysical Research Letters 2016.

You suggest it is water vapor from volcanic emissions, but you refuse to say whether or not there has been an increase in vapor emissions during the warming trend from 1979 to 2021. Without an increase in such emissions, it won't explain the warming trend. The evidence is against your position. Also, keep in mind that the increase in water vapor has a short life in the atmosphere.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.4.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-02 11:28 (Reply)

Go to bottom of page.

#1.1.2.2.3.2.2.2.2.2.4.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-02 12:00 (Reply)

"Global warming is a real phenomenon which will have a real economic, ecological, and social impacts."

Mostly caused by poorly thought out attempts by governments to alter what is likely a predominantly natural phenomena. Or so they say they are trying to alter it.

More likely they are just taking advantage of public gullibility to skim huge amounts of wealth from populations and take control of natural resources currently owned by private entities. Governments have decided that they don't want to preserve liberty and freedom. Those concepts make it too difficult for them to do what they want. They prefer the medieval royalty-serf model of governing.

#1.1.2.2.3.3 ruralcounsel on 2023-08-02 07:27 (Reply)

ruralcounsel: Mostly caused by poorly thought out attempts by governments to alter what is likely a predominantly natural phenomena.

The evidence strongly supports anthropogenic global warming. The basic physics have been known for over a century. CO2 interacts with the infrared spectrum, so it acts as a greenhouse gas. A doubling of CO2 will directly result in a 1°C increase in surface temperatures. The Earth is a watery world, so as the atmosphere warms, it will tend to hold more water vapor, also a greenhouse gas. That amplifies warming from whatever cause by about 2 to 4 times. See See Arrhenius, On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground, London, Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science 1896.

#1.1.2.2.3.3.1 Zachriel on 2023-08-02 09:00 (Reply)

Hmmmm. Not once did I use the term is not, I showed another example of charging stations using diesel electric generators. And there are plenty more where that came from. As I said, you will deflect.

I see that the overall point of my argument, went completely over your heads - how many of you are there?

I’ll state it more plainly. There is no green energy without petroleum. The latest windmill blade weighs 18 metric tons. What is it made of? Good old fiberglass - a petroleum byproduct.

The world would be better off if man cared for God’s creation better than we do. But it isn’t the West that has the worst problems with pollution. There is a place for windmills and solar panels, but we don’t need to try and replace all our power generation with ‘green energy’. However, as you prove daily, there is no compromise with the warmest cult.

#1.1.2.2.4 B. Hammer on 2023-08-01 15:57 (Reply)

It's all about the power grift, control grift, and money grift. The environment be damned. It's for the yachts, private jets, and oceanfront mansions.

#1.1.2.2.4.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 16:53 (Reply)

B. Hammer: Hmmmm. Not once did I use the term is not, I showed another example of charging stations using diesel electric generators.

Sure. Of the energy used by EVs, what percentage comes from portable diesel generators, or is it relatively uncommon? Or are you pointing to the relatively uncommon to make a sweeping generalization?

B. Hammer: There is no green energy without petroleum.

That is correct. As already noted—in direct response to you above—"there is no solution to eliminate all carbon emissions" or the use of petroleum generally.

B. Hammer: we don’t need to try and replace all our power generation with ‘green energy’

Only if you live in the comfortable unreality that unchecked anthropogenic global warming will not have a significant impact on human society.

You are deflecting here. You start by pointing out the difficulties in reducing emissions, but then shift to saying why bother, there's no problem anyway. Given anthropogenic global warming, an imperfect move towards green energy is far better than acting as if the problem doesn't exist.

#1.1.2.2.4.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 17:40 (Reply)

" Given anthropogenic global warming,"

That is not given.

#1.1.2.2.4.2.1 eeyore on 2023-08-02 08:20 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Banks were suspicious of the Bidens . . . These SARs are submitted and sent to the Treasury Department when banks “have a strong suspicion” that a crime has been committed, so as to protect the bank.

Actually, a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) does not require a strong suspicion. There are a number of guidelines, but banks will usually err on the side of reporting, as the penalties for not reporting can be severe.

The number of reported transactions could be significant; though it still may not be evidence of a crime, if the same pattern of otherwise legal behavior is repeated many times.

#2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 09:52 (Reply)

To be clear, the Biden’s were reported over 700 times. The proletariat will find it difficult to open new accounts and get any credit with two such reports.

#2.1 B. Hammer on 2023-08-01 10:02 (Reply)

B. Hammer: The proletariat will find it difficult to open new accounts and get any credit with two such reports.

Banks do have an incentive to close such accounts, but SARs are not public records, and the bank can't disclose that it has filed a SAR.

It's also possible the bank received a "keep open" letter from law enforcement, so investigators could track the flow of funds through the account.

#2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 10:13 (Reply)

It's also possible (more likely probable) the Biden Crime family is just that: a criminal enterprise.
But Quibble-DickZ gotta quibble.

#2.2.1 Zachinoff on 2023-08-01 11:44 (Reply)

It's also possible that uber-talented Hunter Biden was getting short-changed by making less than 6 figures per month!

#2.2.2 Bill Carson on 2023-08-01 12:08 (Reply)

Bill Carson: It's also possible that uber-talented Hunter Biden was getting short-changed by making less than 6 figures per month!

There's little doubt Hunter Biden was using his name to rake in money, breaking the law in the process. He should be held to account. However, there's no substantial evidence that Joe Biden was directly involved.

#2.2.3 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 13:00 (Reply)

Uh huh...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2023/07/31/democrats-reportedly-in-panic-mode-over-devon-archers-testimony-n2626432

#2.2.3.1 Zachinoff on 2023-08-01 13:33 (Reply)

One of my pet peeves. The article about trauma. The first two paragraphs could have been about cooking or building a house or whatever they had nothing to do with trauma or anything. I never made it past the first two paragraphs as the author waxed poetic about whatever. Why do people write like that? Just get to the meat of the story and save the fluff for your novel.

#3 OneGuy on 2023-08-01 09:55 (Reply)

There was something missing in the Oakland DA story... Oh yeah! She isn't fighting for "criminals" she is fighting for black criminals. We used to call that racism and when the Southern sheriffs and judges corrupted criminal justice for racial reasons the federal government stepped in to stop it.

#4 JustMe on 2023-08-01 09:58 (Reply)

The CDC warns of a leprosy outbreak in Florida. Which shithole country do you suppose that came from. No leprosy outbreak in Nantucket. Oh. that's right, Nantucket got rid of those illegal immigrants within 24 hours. Did you ever in your lifetime imagine your government would intentionally introduce leprosy into your country???

#5 Anon on 2023-08-01 10:10 (Reply)

Anon: Which shithole country do you suppose that came from.

While in the past immigrants have brought leprosy into the U.S., cases involving people born outside the U.S. have declined, while current cases are people who spend a lot of time outdoors, suggesting the outbreak is related to animal reservoirs (armadillos).

Leprosy could become endemic in Florida as cases rise, CDC says

#5.1 Zachriel on 2023-08-01 10:27 (Reply)

More wonderful things, via our good neighbor across the southern border.

#5.2 B. Hammer on 2023-08-01 11:02 (Reply)

It is not correct to label the industry preying on children, a 'care' industry. Mental health and psychiatric care are concerns that are geared toward protecting the child, creating an environment that nurtures and guides. The Healing Arts also work toward a positive and 'made whole' end, wherever it's possible. But 'Transgender Care' is an intentionally-mixed bowl, a case of a series of insidious and nefarious activities, masquerading as 'care'. They are the wolves, hiding within the herd, wearing sheep costumes.

Transgender mavens hide behind these legitimate concerns, and work to entice children down a different, more sinister path. They hide in plain sight, as activist teachers and doctors. Many parents - and children - find out too late about the irreversible tragedy that awaits: No children or grandchildren will be produced. The transitioned surgical casualty will never feel an orgasm, or sexual fulfillment. What unethical monster would encourage a child down this route, what monster would harness the power of social fabulism to increase the power and reach of such an agenda, as is happening now?

Shame on Maggie's for presenting this neutrally. 'Transgender Care' is a stalking horse, with valid medical care providing cover to the institutionalized victimization of the young and defenseless. It is evil, walking the face of the land.

#6 Aggie on 2023-08-01 10:17 (Reply)

"Millions of Americans have stopped going to church"..I didn't read the article as I don't click to subscribe. When the author said most of the people he went to church with as a child are no longer Christians I thought that is surely a mistake. We stopped attending church almost five years ago but are certainly still Christian. We used to go every Sunday but when the minister began to stick subtle political statements into his sermon we were no amused and the denomination went so far left it is splitting along the lines of core Christian beliefs. I also was reading what our monetary offerings were going toward and was shocked to see where they were going. We have attended another denominations church in the close by small town on holidays but will not join. A new younger has now taken over the old guys head position due to his retirement so may be saddened to see how far left the young guy leans. If he is smart he will stick to the more conservative old ways as that is how the attendance has increased while other churches are failing. Not going to church doesn't mean I am not a Christian any longer.

#7 JC on 2023-08-01 11:11 (Reply)

It does, however, mean you are no longer an obedient Christian, as fellowship (not "having some Christian friends") is not considered optional in the Bible, except for brief and specific times.

#7.1 Assistant Village Idiot on 2023-08-01 12:43 (Reply)

If that is what you believe that belief may be more responsible for the failing of the Christian religions and beliefs than anything else. That do as I say or else is crazy, might have worked 1000 years ago but it sound stupid today. "You can't believe that, you MUST believe what god commands you to believe!" Seriously?

#7.1.1 SillyMe on 2023-08-01 15:50 (Reply)

Please restate that. It's not clear.

I am simply stating what has been known from both theory and practice by Christians for centuries, that fellowship is necessary for worship, encouragement, and maintaining the faith. Flying solo doesn't work. And I am including the Desert Fathers in my thinking when I say this.

#7.1.1.1 Assistant Village Idiot on 2023-08-01 16:49 (Reply)

I understand what you are saying, but I do not think it is better to sit through a service that doesn't even preach Christianity, mention God and Christ and so on. I agree with the guy further down saying that when they modernized the services it doesn't seem like church. One church we left you couldn't even tell it was supposed to be a Christian service. God may not be happy with my poor church attendance but I do not believe I should sit there in such services that are no longer Christian.

#7.1.1.1.1 JC on 2023-08-01 16:59 (Reply)

I completely understand the discomfort with a church that has lost its way, but it's our duty to keep searching until we find a church that has not. AVI is right: we are clearly instructed to worship in fellowship.

#7.1.1.1.1.1 Texan99 on 2023-08-01 22:25 (Reply)

Religion should be uplifting, encouraging, teaching, guiding. Not demanding, unforgiving, talking down to, and ivory tower. If I am a better person because of religion then it has been successful it doesn't need to berate me for missing a Sunday or choosing to be a believer without the need to listen to a preacher or priest. I don't need to nor am I willing to kowtow to anyone or anything and yet I can still be a good honest and moral person who has benefitted from religion. If someone chooses to go to church every Sunday and read the bible everyday more power to them but that doesn't give them the right or excuse to tell me how I approach my religion and beliefs. It truly does not matter to me what they did 2000 years ago or 200 years ago if it does to you then you do you and I'll do me and you don't need to waste your time or mine criticizing me or judging me or proselytizing to me. Isn't freedom great?

#7.1.1.1.2 SillyMe on 2023-08-01 23:59 (Reply)

An alternative that you might want to consider is to chose orthodoxy and tradition. Go back to the oiginal Church.

#7.2 jack walter on 2023-08-01 13:13 (Reply)

Like JC, I did not click the article to subscribe. Church attendance
peaked in the mid to late 60's and continues its decline but why?
Church leaders quit believing and quit instructing the Christian biblical faith. Even government has continued its war against religion by banning prayer in public schools through the old FDR court in the late 40's. It continues to fight providing support to religious schools citing "separation between religion and state" which is not in the Constitution. The government, like all marxist institutions, desires to be the sole religion and caters to no competitors. Each competing faith moves farther from biblical truth and prescribes its own truth.
What is fortunate is that it is cyclical. Hard times create hardened believers. Easy times create the lukewarm. And so it goes.

#8 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 12:05 (Reply)

Yeah, it's the Atlantic so I'm fairly confident it's a stupid argument anyway.

I was born and raised Catholic and we lived right up the road from the Catholic military school that also acted as the retirement home for the nuns. With so many elderly nuns, they still did the Latin Mass into the '70's which I really enjoyed. When St. Pats finally got a hip new young priest that brought in guitar playing and Saturday Masses and didn't know Latin, it kind of turned me off Catholicism. When the priest had an affair with one of the married parishioners who divorced her husband while the priest left the priesthood in order to marry her, it really soured me on the whole thing.

Last time I was in a Catholic church about 20 years ago, the altar wasn't raised, the priest wore a wireless mic and strolled around the church and the formal Mass structure was gone. Totally foreign to me. I strongly suspect that the death of the Eternal Verities and the adoption of the Ten Suggestions For Better Living And A More Satisfying Sex Life may have had something to do with the abandonment of religion.

#8.1 Jerryskids on 2023-08-01 13:53 (Reply)

The great thing about the latin mass is that it is a dead language in which the meaning of words will not change. That is one reason that TPTB prefer a modern era language in which the meaning of words is constantly manipulated. Covid, race and gender wars, and Constitutional meaning are examples.

#8.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 14:31 (Reply)

Christian denominations are decaying and splitting thanks to their embrace and acceptance of homosexuality and all its offshoots as normal. Methodists, I'm pointing to you as the example. Lutherans are now praying to a nonbinary god. Episcopalians are sliding down even faster. The Catholic Church is not far behind. No wonder normal people don't want to have anything to do with them.

On the other hand, there are Catholic churches reverting to the Tridentine Mass, the old Mass in Latin that was pushed aside after Second Vatican Council. THOSE churches are packed full every Sunday, every Mass.

#8.1.2 Sixtyville on 2023-08-01 14:34 (Reply)

We owe van der Kolk a great deal for his insistence on the importance of trauma in even adult development. However, The Body Keeps the Score has significant weaknesses. I recommend Scott Alexander's review (then at Slate Star Codex) from Nov 2019 . (Spam prevention still prevents me from including links.)

#9 Assistant Village Idiot on 2023-08-01 12:49 (Reply)

re: An Improverished Europe,

Europeans tend to solve their economic problems with genocide and multiple-theater wars.

#10 jack walter on 2023-08-01 13:18 (Reply)

So does the United States.

We've fallen into the fallacy that we need to tell the rest of the world that they should be like us, and we should impose our way of doing things on them.

That's why we have forever wars and color revolutions (i.e., instigation of coups) and the rest of the world has come to regard us as hypocrites and evil.

#10.1 ruralcounsel on 2023-08-02 07:36 (Reply)

Big Drop In Cardboard Box Sales Scream Recession

QUOTE:

Earlier this month, Packaging Corp. of America reported that cardboard box sales fell 9.8% in the second quarter. That ranks as one of the biggest slumps on record when you combine it with the 12.7% drop in Q1.

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/big-drop-cardboard-box-sales-scream-recession

#11 feeblemind on 2023-08-01 13:57 (Reply)

Watch: South African Black Party Chants 'Kill The Boer (White), Kill The Farmer'

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-south-african-black-party-chants-kill-boer-white-kill-farmer

#12 feeblemind on 2023-08-01 14:06 (Reply)

US Treasury to borrow $1.007 trlllion in Q3

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-bonds-refunding-idUSL1N39H229

#13 feeblemind on 2023-08-01 14:14 (Reply)

I came across this article at western rifle shooters. Its actually an ad but provides more than a bit of information on the Fed and the banks, all of which are in trouble.

soverignmandotcom July 31 2023 by Simon Black

The Federal Reserve has 910 billion in losses

#13.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 15:19 (Reply)

An impoverished Europe. I rather think that Europe is being pushed into conflict with Russia rather than their preferred outcome of trading with Russia. Because they "obeyed" the US neocons they now pay far more for energy as Russia is no longer an energy source and they continue on their merry insanity to push the extra special green new deal of Klaus Schwab fame. Inflation was no more surprising in Europe than in the US where the marxist democrats did all they could to shut down oil, gas and coal use. And the inflation will not go away. The great green new deal will require perpetual subsidies or our industrial/agricultural base will go back to the mid 1800s. But it is a tremendous grift for the properly vetted political class. It's all a great return to serfdom. And they couldn't operate a defensive war for more than a week. More foreign invasion on the way. Got Preps?

#14 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-01 14:24 (Reply)

Adrian Belew has the great Momur song about an overbearing girlfriend.
Puritan busybodies always know what is best, just look at all the utopias they built.
The teevee said it is the hottest day in 90 trillion years so it must be etched on a stone tablet.
Only Hanoi Heinz Kerry (WEF) can save us now with some medal throwing into the reflective pool.
Did Greta (Hansel?) come out of hiding over that end of the world tweet?
Doncha love how the self-anointed "experts" act as if there is no internet.

#15 Al Bino on 2023-08-01 16:40 (Reply)

I was born and raised Episcopalian, as were my grandmother/father and great grandmothers/fathers, etc.
I loved my church.
Then one day a female priest was handing out the cup of wine at the altar rail. Her instructions to the people kneeling to receive communion (you are gonna love this one). Her instructions when offering the wine was thus:
"let this wine remind you of women's monthly sacrifice in order to bear the next generation" (or some such nonsense--the point was to to equate menstural blood with the blood of Christ--that capped it for me!)

#16 Apple Pie on 2023-08-01 20:07 (Reply)

I’ve observed that the denominations that have embraced ordaining women are the ones moving most rapidly from Christian orthodoxy. They preach a doctrine of “God loves you just as you are, so there’s no reason for you to change.” They’ve completely abandoned the transformative, redeeming, transcendent message of Christ’s ultimate sacrifice for our sins. I go to a Methodist church with my wife and, as far as I can tell, the only sin they recognize is voting Republican.

#16.1 Chadd Newman on 2023-08-01 20:30 (Reply)

You do what every AGW grifter does. If the data doesn't confirm your CO2 trend or confuses the CO2 trend you choose to ignore it.
A warming "trend" from 1979 to the present is a weather trend not a climate trend. Trends begin and end with little announcement.
Water vapor injection from the undersea volcano is mentioned but they give no temp results for its greenhouse gas effect. Such a rapid injection should show up as a temperature anomaly for a few years. Yet, crickets. How many other of these injections have occurred for which they show no accounting in the temp data either currently or historically.
The AGW modeling is sloppy and will likely remain sloppy as the money keeps flowing to the government funded grifters.

#17 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-02 11:58 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: If the data doesn't confirm your CO2 trend or confuses the CO2 trend you choose to ignore it.

Huh? We just cited two scientific papers, one from before the recent Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai eruption, and one from after. Volcanoes have significant but short-term effects on climate, including global mean temperatures.

indyjonesouthere: A warming "trend" from 1979 to the present is a weather trend not a climate trend.

No, that's not weather, which is defined as the the state of the air and atmosphere at a particular time and place.

The energy has to come from somewhere. Note that warming is in line with projections from expected anthropogenic global warming.

indyjonesouthere: Water vapor injection from the undersea volcano is mentioned but they give no temp results for its greenhouse gas effect.

We can provide you the citations, but we can't make you read them. Regardless, the recent event doesn't explain warming that occurred before it occurred.

#17.1 Zachriel on 2023-08-02 13:17 (Reply)

Once again, undersea volcanoes are different than land volcanoes as large H2O inclusions are involved. You can't include them in your models because you haven't been able find or measure them historically. That creates a error in models.
So its climate if we inquire about rain this weekend? Nonsense.
AGW trends up and it trends down. Trends in AGW are not fixed.
Indeed, I want to see the citation that tells me how many degrees change will result for how long on the latest undersea eruption last year. I want to know how much co2 contributes and how much water vapor contributes from last years eruption.
Do notice the following piece about trends between co2 and temperatures. https://climtediscussionnexus.com/2021/03/10/but-if-co2-drives-temperature/
A very recent discussion.

#18 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-02 14:35 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Once again, undersea volcanoes are different than land volcanoes as large H2O inclusions are involved.

Your ignorance is not an argument. While submarine emissions are less well-studied than subaerial emissions, they are, indeed, studied. New technology is allowing a much better understanding of their activity. An estimated 3/4 of geological emissions come from oceans. But all together, geological emissions represent a small portion of greenhouse gases compared to human greenhouse gas emissions.

The amount of warming we observe is consistent with greenhouse warming. Yours is an ad hoc explanation. Sure, angels might be pushing the planets along their orbits, but the existing theory of gravity explains planetary motions without invoking angels.

{You might want to learn how to cut and paste your links. You seem to be typing them in with typos: But if CO2 drives temperature...}

#18.1 Zachriel on 2023-08-02 14:54 (Reply)

In actuality, it is only satellite data collection that has any accuracy in collecting data from underwater eruptions and that data is but 40-45 years old. You admit that the tech is only beginning yet insist that you are capturing a trend. Yet if you explored the data on the "if co2 drives temp" you would see that trends run out quite often and for variable time periods. That includes with or without human carbon production. The trend is not your friend. Neither are the trend grifters even though they are unsure which way the trend is running.

#18.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-02 15:27 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: In actuality, it is only satellite data collection that has any accuracy in collecting data from underwater eruptions and that data is but 40-45 years old.

Huh? There are satellites that directly observe atmospheric water content. The data is consistent with the greenhouse effect, and it doesn’t show any indications of moistening from large geological emissions (other than the recent Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai eruption).

#18.1.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-02 22:29 (Reply)

Let's review:

You claimed the surface warming trend was due to the Urban Heat Island effect (UHI). We noted that satellite observations show that the current warming trend is independent of UHI. You abandoned this claim, then shifted to another.

Next you claimed that the current warming trend is due to "H2O causation," but satellite observations of atmospheric water content do not support that claim either, which show moistening consistent with greenhouse warming.

To return to the original point: Global warming is a real phenomenon which will have a real economic, ecological, and social impacts. But, humans are also technologically inventive and have the capability of responding to the challenge.

#18.1.3 Zachriel on 2023-08-03 07:23 (Reply)

Note that the UHI effect makes the use of ground temp recording useless because the recorders are misplaced and likely it isn't accidental. Also note that the expansion of urban growth is in a rather random pattern which also makes its use for any degree of trend also useless. Also note that, observing the reference piece provided above, that the trending of temperatures runs in increases and decreases of temperatures.
AGW and AGC are political science brought to the public attention for the purpose of grifting, control, and power.

#18.1.3.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-03 13:21 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Note that the UHI effect makes the use of ground temp recording useless because the recorders are misplaced and likely it isn't accidental.

Ignoring the refutation, diverting here then there, then returning to the same refuted point is not an effective argument. Try this: just repeat our original argument concerning UHI.

#18.1.3.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-03 14:41 (Reply)

You said fake data didn't matter as the trend is to warming. And then you refuse to acknowledge that the trends go in all directions ... cooling and warming.
Refresh yourself on the piece .... "But if co2 drives temperature". Trends aren 't science. You keep deflecting when cornered. You have no refutation..... only trends which do not hold up.

#18.1.3.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-03 18:12 (Reply)

imdyjonesouthere: You said fake data didn't matter as the trend is to warming.

Nope. That is not our position nor anything that we said. Arguing a position we don’t hold is a straw man fallacy. Please re-read it and try again.

#18.1.3.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-03 20:48 (Reply)

Ground station data is fake data and the 'science' keeps using the fake data. When you and the 'science' continue using the fake data that constitutes a lie. Quit lying about the data.
And the trends are NOT your friend.
There is a reason fake data is used and not discarded There is no honesty left in the climate grifters world.

#18.1.3.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-03 23:31 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Ground station data is fake data and the 'science' keeps using the fake data.

If you can't properly represent our position, then you can't reasonably argue against it. Let us know when you are ready to advance beyond straw man arguments.

#18.1.3.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-08-04 07:42 (Reply)

You will not back away from using the fake, inaccurate data. The AGW crowd continues to record and release the knowingly fake data, but it serves their and your purpose. WARMING.
As provided previously, the trend is not your friend. It changes without predictability.
By all means, continue the grift until it becomes unaffordable due to budget cuts.

#18.1.3.2.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-08-04 13:39 (Reply)

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