Maggie's Farm

The concept is relatively new, only becoming a prominent notion in the twentieth century. Many Muslims, Islam being an Abrahamic religion, believe Islam shares the same set of values. And not all Christians and Jews hold those same values. Keep in mind that Christianity has a very long history of antisemitism.

JustMe: Every race and every culture holds "anti-other" beliefs.

That's right. In-group/out-group dynamics are deeply rooted in human evolution.

JustMe: Right now blacks are going through an anti-white orgy and they drip with racism.

“It is an unhappy truth that racism is a way of life for the vast majority of white Americans, spoken and unspoken, acknowledged and denied, subtle and sometimes not so subtle — the disease of racism permeates and poisons a whole body politic.” — Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

JustMe: I think your point is unnecessarily inflammatory

You mean true. (You didn't contest a single point we raised.)

JustMe: As a white person knowing tens of thousands of white people I can tell you confidently that almost all of them do not think about race at all.

Not everyone has the privilege. As King said, racism is often "unspoken," "denied," "subtle." His was a statement of systemic racism, something built into the social fabric that most whites can safely ignore, like water to a fish.

JustMe: Sadly I suspect that simple fact of life is responsible for Dr. King's comment that you quoted.

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says 'I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;' who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." — Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

eeyore: Uncontested does not equal true.

True; but, having taken time to respond to an on-topic comment normally entails addressing the comment. Notably, you, too, have failed to address any of the points, or the topic itself. What about them Abrahamic religions? Or the relative recency of the entire notion of a Judeo-Christian ethic?

eeyore: The majority of your points (ever) are not worthy of being contested.

Handwaving.

jack walter: Jews and Christians do not worship the same God that Muslims worship.

They all worship the God of Abraham.

She makes the trains run on time.

Aggie: And what was the purpose of showing an article about the fascist Mussolini, in the connotation of Meloni - who isn't even mentioned there?

Because Meloni's personal history and her party's historical roots are in fascism. She claims to have left those roots in the past, but it is a valid concern, especially in the context of Italian politics. The article suggests that "making the trains run on time," implies one can ignore that concern.

(Heh. That history also shows how silly it is to claim that fascists are somehow on the political left.)

Hoss: Ad hominems are easier than giving reasoned criticism.

It's hardly a trivial concern that Meloni's personal history and her party's historical roots are in fascism.

Lord Heathen: Most reasonable people at least move to the political center occasionally or even completely agree with the other side once in a while on a particular issue.

Actually, our very first response to JustMe was in agreement about in-group/out-group dynamics. Our position is that facts and logic are the basis of valid arguments. Values can be important but are not always arguable.

In particular, we are rather fond of humans. Call it a peccadillo, if you like. Humans thrive in liberty. Free speech, free association, and private property are intrinsic to the human condition and are important bulwarks of liberty. That is our position. Sorry if you find it somehow radical.