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More physicists are questioning reality

"It's Time For The Scientific Community To Admit We Were Wrong About COVID & It Cost Lives"

Massive Peer-Reviewed Mask Study Shows 'Little To No Difference' In Preventing COVID, Flu Infection

Welcome to Neom, Saudi Arabia’s desert dystopia in the making

‘De-Extinction’ Company Will Try to Bring Back the Dodo. Colossal Biosciences also intends to resurrect the thylacine and woolly mammoth—an ambitious agenda, considering no extinct species has ever been brought back.

GAO going after school dress codes

Washington Post editorial board: Migrants are gaming the asylum system

Inside New York's migrant hotel

Heather at Spectator: Racism has become an unfalsifiable proposition. 

We may have just celebrated MLK Day, but he lost...

Re Memphis: Kicks to the head are especially damning. It’s what street thugs do. That’s a beatdown. And it looks very different than the restraint attempts that were at issue in other cases, like the George Floyd drug overdose.

"Objectivity Has Got To Go": News Leaders Call For End Of Objective Journalism

Progressives Label Bill Maher ‘Right Wing’ After CNN Adds Him to Friday Night Programming

11 US cities — all governed by Democratic mayors — listed among 50 most dangerous in world. Three Democrat-run U.S. cities rank in top 20 on annual list: Baltimore (#15), Memphis (#18), and Detroit (#19). Two more are among world's 30 most dangerous: Albuquerque (#23) and St. Louis (#27).

Pushback: Student appeals conviction for distributing Constitution on public campus

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Rumors out of Memphis were so rampant that the Tennessee Star asked the Memphis police chief if some of the police officers were former gang members and if Tyre had been sleeping with one of their exes. The chief said there was "no evidence" of it. [url] (https://tennesseestar.com/2023/01/31/memphis-pd-on-claims-tyre-nichols-was-targeted-and-former-officers-charged-with-murder-were-gang-members-there-is-no-evidence-that-indicates-that-either-of-these-claims-are-true/) [/url]

#1 Frank on 2023-02-02 09:17 (Reply)

With apologies to the author, "Journalism is what serves the needs of the party."
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#2 Another Guy Named Dan on 2023-02-02 09:23 (Reply)

De-Extinction?
I keep hearing they'll resurrect all manner of extinct animals.

Here in Australia the Thylacine (Tasmanian Tiger), which is
supposed to have gone extinct about 100 years ago, is mentioned as a possible candidate.

How about you resurrect a COW from a piece of STEAK first, just to show us that it can be done?

#3 Tom Appleton on 2023-02-02 09:33 (Reply)

"Illegal aliens are gaming the asylum system!!!" I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. That Washington actually noticed this. The migrant system was designed to be gamed. Ted Kennedy and his crime family designed it to be gamed. The Democrats/communists passed legislation to make it easy to be gamed. Wake up! YOU are being gamed. They are stealing your country.

#4 OneGuy on 2023-02-02 09:36 (Reply)

Schrodinger posited the thought experiment to counter that Bohr's interpretation of quantum theory was nonsense.

#5 willful knowledge on 2023-02-02 09:44 (Reply)

willful knowledge: Schrodinger posited the thought experiment to counter that Bohr's interpretation of quantum theory was nonsense.

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More physicists are questioning reality . . . Time and space seem to fairly irrefutably exist.

People experience space and time. But, science shows that space and time are intertwined. This is only apparent at scales beyond human experience.

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Yes, we know that time passes at different rates based on the speed you’re traveling and the relative mass of objects.

For instance, the half-life of particles will observably increase when moving at a high relative velocity.

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But we don’t appear to have any real-world examples of it suddenly stopping or running backward.

The direction of causality doesn't reverse in relativity or quantum mechanics.

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But they all really only seem to exist inside simulations created in quantum computers.

Well, no. Quantum effects are even used commercially, such as in zenor diodes.

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There is no room in our physical world for both cats to be half dead and half alive or any of the other suggestions put forth above.

That misstates the thought-experiment. There's only one cat which is in a superposition of alive and dead. However, the quantum world collapses when it meets the macroscopic world.

Tests of Bell's Inequality show that no theory that entails local realism explains quantum observations.

#5.1 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 10:26 (Reply)

Yes, we know that time passes at different rates based on whether you're reading one of Z-man's pedantic screeds.

#5.1.1 Mike Anderson (Link) on 2023-02-02 10:34 (Reply)

"The direction of causality doesn't reverse in relativity or quantum mechanics." - Look up "Delayed choice quantum eraser experiments". The simplest explanation is that the present cetection affects the past path of the particle. Yes, this is inherently unsatisfying, and leads to a bigger issue in current pysics, widespread reification, or conflating "can be modeled as" with "is".
The tendency is o treat the equations as reality and particles as just a wird quantum side effect, as though writing the wave equaton on a blackboard somehow causes it to come into being.
How to resolve ths? I don't know; that's the job of the next Newton or Einstein. It's just clear to me and others looking in from the outside that the field is stuck in a rabbit hole of mathematics.

#5.1.2 Another guy named Dan on 2023-02-02 10:50 (Reply)

Another guy named Dan: The simplest explanation is that the present cetection affects the past path of the particle.

The interference pattern is only seen after the observer has gained information about the particles, and the choice is made after the event is recorded. The experiment can be replicated classically resulting in the pattern changing depending on whether the correlated object was kept or the correlation was erased. There is no proof of reverse causality. It is only apparent.

Another guy named Dan: Yes, this is inherently unsatisfying, and leads to a bigger issue in current pysics, widespread reification, or conflating "can be modeled as" with "is".

That's close to, but not quite the physical question of realism.

Another guy named Dan: It's just clear to me and others looking in from the outside that the field is stuck in a rabbit hole of mathematics.

The mathematics make highly accurate predictions of observable phenomena. Human intuition based on common sensory experience ("looking in from the outside") is not consistent with the underlying quantum phenomena.

#5.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 11:13 (Reply)

Nothing more boring than Quibble-DickZ bleating about another subject they know so little about.

#5.1.2.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-02-02 12:13 (Reply)

The Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser, Debunked

#5.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 11:51 (Reply)

Indeed. It's simply a matter of probability. One knows the result only when one opens the box, thus demonstrating how the wave function, a totality of probabilities, has 'collapsed'. Schrodinger did not imply that the cat existed in some weird intermediary world half-way between life and death. Such an existence is as absurd as it sounds and impossible to empirically demonstrate. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is also much more mundane than some of the more excitable physicists make out. It's not that there is some mysterious barrier to simultaneously knowing position and momentum of a sub-atomic particle, but that, as Stanley Jaki stated, we merely lack the means to simultaneously measure both. Anyway, we should all be thankful that these 'researchers' are only playing around with their computers. Imagine the consequences if they constructed a black hole in reality...

#5.2 DeGaulle on 2023-02-03 07:06 (Reply)

DeGaulle: It's not that there is some mysterious barrier to simultaneously knowing position and momentum of a sub-atomic particle, but that, as Stanley Jaki stated, we merely lack the means to simultaneously measure both.

That is incorrect. Uncertainty is a fundamental property of quantum systems. Given the wave nature of quantum systems, the uncertainty principle can be derived as a theorem of Fourier analysis. Nor is it due to the observer disturbing the system. See Rozema et al., Violation of Heisenberg’s Measurement-Disturbance Relationship by Weak Measurements, Physical Review Letters 2012.

#5.2.1 Zachriel on 2023-02-03 09:02 (Reply)

""It's Time For The Scientific Community To Admit We Were Wrong About COVID & It Cost Lives""

That would be a good start. But in fact ity is worse than being "wrong". In many cases the government officials and medical & scientific advisors intentionally lied and those lies cost lives and in even more cases cost people their livelihood. Bankruptcies, firing businesses closed. There must be a payback, retribution, reparations. It is likely that even criminal trials will be necessary.

#6 JustMe on 2023-02-02 09:46 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Massive Peer-Reviewed Mask Study Shows 'Little To No Difference' In Preventing COVID, Flu Infection

From Jefferson et al: "The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions."

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It's Time For The Scientific Community To Admit We Were Wrong About COVID & It Cost Lives

. . . the scientific community from the CDC to the WHO to the FDA and their representatives, repeatedly overstated the evidence and misled the public about its own views and policies, including on natural vs. artificial immunity

Wanzhu et al., SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death in Vaccinated and Infected Individuals, American Journal of Public Health 2022: "The significantly lower rates of all-cause ED visits, hospitalizations, and mortality in the vaccinated highlight the real-world benefits of vaccination. The data raise questions about the wisdom of reliance on natural immunity when safe and effective vaccines are available."

#6.1 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 10:08 (Reply)

Yep.
It is time for the scientific community to admit it'was wrong.

#6.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-02-02 10:53 (Reply)

Yes, that was my thought: Safe and effective. LOL. Effective at doing what? Safe is highly debatable. There is a reason all the data is hidden for 70 years.

#6.1.1.1 B. Hammer on 2023-02-02 12:19 (Reply)

B. Hammer: There is a reason all the data is hidden for 70 years.

The data was released in summary form at the time of approval. Anonymized data is being processed with thousands of pages already made public.

#6.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 13:05 (Reply)

They are currently being sued for failure to release safety data.

The Epoch Times Jan 30,2023 The US Food and Drug Admin has been sued for withholding the results of key Covid 19 vaccine safety analyses.

#6.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 13:28 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: They are currently being sued for failure to release safety data.

That's not the same as the previous claim. This claim doesn't concern the data, which is available, but policy discussions and deliberative process, which are generally considered privileged.

#6.1.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 13:40 (Reply)

Read the article ... as Hammer said, the safety is highly debatable. The FDA is withholding key Covid 19 safety analysis. How does the FDA make decisions on safety? That is debatable! Who is trying to avoid responsibility for decision making?

#6.1.1.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 13:50 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Read the article ... as Hammer said, the safety is highly debatable.

That's fine, but changing the claim doesn't constitute a defense of the previous claim.

indyjonesouthere: The FDA is withholding key Covid 19 safety analysis.

The safety analysis is publicly available. The current lawsuit concerns internal deliberations, which are generally privileged.

#6.1.1.1.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 14:00 (Reply)

I want to see how the government institutions make decisions. The government decision making on Russia, Russia, Russia sucked and I want to know whose decisions sucked the most. Who gathered together and made the major decisions on the Ukraine fiasco? I want to know who has such crap decision making abilities so we have a much better idea of who to ignore and who to fire and who to promote. The government works for me ... they shouldn't work for anonymous elitists.

#6.1.1.1.1.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 14:09 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: I want to see how the government institutions make decisions.

Sure, but in the United States, the Supreme Court has affirmed executive privilege under the separation of powers, and common law allows for a deliberative process privilege. These privileges are limited, so the courts may rule that disclosure is in the public interest, but they have to be overcome, not simply waved away as you do.

#6.1.1.1.1.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 14:45 (Reply)

Sure, but ... that is why there is never any accountability, and no one is held responsible for anything in the institutional bureaucracy. They are hidden from view and hidden from the light. That is why they are being sued.

#6.1.1.1.1.2.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 15:25 (Reply)

Quibble-DickZ should be a dizzy from all their spinning.

#6.1.1.1.1.2.2.2.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-02-02 17:11 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Sure, but ... that is why there is never any accountability, and no one is held responsible for anything in the institutional bureaucracy.

Deliberative process is provided a limited privileged to encourage candid discussion and to avoid distorting or chilling discourse. Accountability is exercised on the results, not the deliberative process. Generally, openness is preferred. However, the government is asserting privilege under 5 U.S. Code § 552(b)(5). The privilege has to be overcome, not simply waved away as you do. Try to strike a balance, or at least acknowledge the concern about deliberative privilege.

#6.1.1.1.1.2.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-03 08:27 (Reply)

Sorry, Quibble-DickZ
https://twitter.com/i/status/1618405890612420609

#6.1.1.1.2 Zachinoff on 2023-02-02 21:38 (Reply)

'Progressives Label Bill Maher ‘Right Wing’ After CNN Adds Him to Friday Night Programming'

He must be doing something right.

And it'd be cool if they resurrected the sabre-toothed tiger, I think.

#7 Maniac on 2023-02-02 10:25 (Reply)

GAO going after school dress codes

Remember when we had limited government. Yeah, me neither.

#8 ErisGuy on 2023-02-02 10:28 (Reply)

GAO: Established in 1921. Unionized in 2007. Often cited as the best place to work in the Federal Government.

The last time we had limited government was in the late 1800’s.

#8.1 B. Hammer on 2023-02-02 12:15 (Reply)

B. Hammer: The last time we had limited government was in the late 1800’s.

Limited government.

#8.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 12:45 (Reply)

The upside is that places like Memphis now have the "equity" of community policing. Something they always wanted.

#8.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 13:32 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The upside is that places like Memphis now have the "equity" of community policing.

The police involved were not part of community policing, but part of the "Scorpion Squad." With proper training, intensive policing can help in high crime areas, but many units are also known for using rough tactics and pretextual stops.

#8.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 13:48 (Reply)

The scorpion squad is part of their equity solution to community policing or it wouldn't have been approved in this overwhelmingly democratic and black community.

#8.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 13:53 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The scorpion squad is part of their equity solution to community policing

The Scorpion Squad constituted a limited number of units that were sent into high-crime areas. That's the opposite of community policing. Both types of policing can coexist in the same department, but this particular Scorpion Squad failed in its mission.

#8.1.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 14:02 (Reply)

I lived and worked in the Memphis area for a few years. It is all a high crime area. Get one block off Beale Street and you will experience crime close up. Memphis made its decision on how to do community policing. Democrats and blacks don't know how to do equity community policing? You're so much smarter than they are to do their community policing plan for them?

#8.1.1.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 14:14 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: It is all a high crime area.

Crime rates vary considerably across Memphis.

indyjonesouthere: Memphis made its decision on how to do community policing.

Mixing up terminology doesn't make for a coherent position.

#8.1.1.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2023-02-02 14:53 (Reply)

You haven't lived in Memphis area yet look at "reported" crime in the city in which most of the crime isn't even reported when I was there. The company I worked for had their own police force to protect company property all over the city ... they still do and so do most larger companies there. It has always been clown world in the city especially when Herenton was mayor. They would, basically, use up city assets and then use eminent domain to drag in another part of Shelby County and spoil that next. Rinse and repeat for maintaining the tax base. The city leadership cannot maintain a civilization. Whenever a political blowup would occur, the clowns would be dispatched to divert attention once again. You don't have to like their equity-based community policing but that's what they put together to keep the lawless at bay.

#8.1.1.2.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 15:20 (Reply)

Quibble-DickZ using crime stats from a decade ago doesn't make for a coherent position today.
Cry harder, kiddieZ.

#8.1.1.2.2.2.2 Zachinoff on 2023-02-02 17:21 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: You haven't lived in Memphis area yet look at "reported" crime in the city in which most of the crime isn't even reported when I was there.

Murders leave bodies. No neighborhood is untouched by violent crime, but the murder rate varies considerably across neighborhoods.

#8.1.1.2.2.2.3 Zachriel on 2023-02-03 08:06 (Reply)

Well, there are the rare exceptions.

#8.1.1.2.2.2.3.1 Zachriel on 2023-02-03 09:29 (Reply)

Isn't this what Trump suggested 3 years ago and everyone laughed at it? https://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2023/02/the-90-miles-mystery-video-nyctophilia_0433445056.html

#9 OneGuy on 2023-02-02 10:39 (Reply)

Every mask I was given at work had the same thing printed on it "Not For medical Use" except for the ones that said "Does Not Prevent The Transmission of COVID-19 or other coronavirus.

#10 BobJustBob on 2023-02-02 10:44 (Reply)

I have two paper masks which I have been wearing, when required (in physicians' offices) for the last two and a half years. During that time, I have never been ill. Now, some may say that these cheap paper masks from China are of no value in preventing us from contracting the dreaded COVID-19, or Wuflu for short. But based on my experience (and I am nothing if not an empiricist), these particular masks, somehow, possess germicidal properties that defy scientific explanation. I will continue using them until Our Leaders let us know that it is safe to breathe the air in doctors' offices.

When it come to contagion, one can never be too careful.

#10.1 Hairless Joe on 2023-02-02 20:26 (Reply)

Objectivity has got to go ... It's been gone for a long time. Who are they trying to BS. They just hand out Pulitzers to those creating the best narratives. They are like Oscars for the best pretenders.

#11 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 13:18 (Reply)

It appears the US is attempting to bail itself out of the Ukraine quicksand.

Vox Day blog Surrender means success

#12 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 15:34 (Reply)

This makes no sense https://theconservativetreehouse.com/ This can't be true it is illogical and contrary to what governments should stand for.

#13 OneGuy on 2023-02-02 16:41 (Reply)

BREAKING NEWS .... Georgetown University awarded FIRE'S lifetime censorship award.
WND Feb 2,2023

#14 indyjonesouthere on 2023-02-02 17:04 (Reply)

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