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Friday, December 30. 2022

Is there any reason to use Vit D supplements?

Probably not. In fact, the meaning of Vit D blood levels is unknown.



Posted by Dr. Joy Bliss in Medical at 16:04 | Comments (14) | Trackbacks (0)

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That's definitely going against the grain. right now, every non vax covid 19 treatment protocol says to take Vitamin D and K2 to help it get where it needs to go. supposed to be great for immune system.
#1 Kevin T Horton on 2022-12-30 16:25 (Reply)
D3
#1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-12-30 19:41 (Reply)
Mine was 66 ng/mL last time I checked it. I'm out in the sun a lot plus I take vitamins, so I'm covered. Isn't Vitamin D deficiency supposed to be related to a COVID comorbidity, too?

Anyway: If you're older and worried about broken bones then the best thing to do is get a bone density scan. Even better, if it's low, then start in on the dairy and the supplements and the exercise and then check it again. I hear physical stress builds bone density.
#2 Aggie on 2022-12-30 18:54 (Reply)
My Pharmacist told me twenty years ago to start taking Vit D And I did because:
#1 we don't get enough from our food.
#2 we live in the northern latitudes and get less daylight.
#3 food had become nutrient poor over the decades.
#4 diabetics need every edge they can to stay healthy.
#5 it is probably the best health care a person can do after Vit C.
#3 polimath on 2022-12-30 19:02 (Reply)
yep... in the winter months nearly everyone is short D3 and that's when you need it most to fend of colds and flu. And kids in school drag home nearly every virus imaginable over the winter months. Take C as well, they are cheap and effective.
#3.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-12-30 19:59 (Reply)
Use caution and moderation with over the counter supplements. There are some pills that contain 10 times and more of a persons minimum requirements for vitamins, minerals and other supplements. There is an entire cult around each supplement and a cult around all supplements and their job seems to be misinformation. Not all doctors are correct in their advice on these things, they too get caught up in the "cults" propaganda and wild ass claims. Just saying again use caution and common sense.
#4 OneGuy on 2022-12-30 19:28 (Reply)
I'm at the point where I don't believe any medical studies any more because I believe many of them have preconceived results driven by who will profit. Also many people in the medical community have a holier-than-thou attitude about anything not administered by them. I remember back when the many in the medical community were disparaging all vitamins as not doing anything more than creating "expensive urine."
#5 Frank on 2022-12-30 20:00 (Reply)
From this link: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-americans-are-vitamin-d-deficient/
Unfortunately, about 42% of the US population is vitamin D deficient with some populations having even higher levels of deficiency, including premenopausal women, those with poor nutrition habits, people over age 65, Caucasians who avoid even minimal sun exposure, and those who take prescription medication long term for heartburn, acid reflux, and constipation. Studies show people with darker skin, such as African Americans and Latinos, are also at risk for lower vitamin D levels because high amounts of melanin in skin reduce the body’s ability to produce vitamin D from sunlight. In addition, certain chronic conditions—such as celiac disease, bariatric surgery, obesity, and chronic kidney or liver disease—can contribute to deficiency.

43% deficient- and the official recommendation is not to test unless someone has clinical signs of Vitamin D deficiency. Which means- they're really sick. Hmmm- are they looking out for your health?

From 2015: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4463890/ Adequate levels of Vitamin D is protective against influenza A in nursing home patients. And a quote: “Levels of 25(OH)D are quite low in nursing home residents, and supplementation with 2000 IU of vitamin D can bring levels to normal safely in most patients.” And if you have a loved one in a nursing home, have they ever measured their Vitamin D levels?

From 2020 is seems the NIH doesn't even agree with themselves! Surprise, isn't it?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7231123/

Quote: To reduce the risk of infection, it is recommended that people at risk of influenza and/or COVID-19 consider taking 10,000 IU/d of vitamin D3 for a few weeks to rapidly raise 25(OH)D concentrations, followed by 5000 IU/d. The goal should be to raise 25(OH)D concentrations above 40–60 ng/mL (100–150 nmol/L)

And even helps against tuberculosis from 2010:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954005/

Let's take a look at 3 studies of military personnel.
From 2020: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7407997/
From 2012:
https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysiol.00608.2011
From 2005
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15945402/

Vitamin D blood level testing and supplementation to get it to 50 ng/ml should be routine. Period. The meaning of Vitamin D blood levels is well known. And it was known from the beginning of the covidiocy- a Vitamin D blood level of 50 ng/ml, even with comorbidities, was going to keep you out of the ICU and off ventilators which were going to kill you.
#6 gospace on 2022-12-30 21:21 (Reply)
BTW- I see you're a doctor- didn't notice that before. If you're not testing your patients for Vtamins D and recommending they supplement to healthy levels- you're engaged in malpractice.

My VA doctor started testing me because she saw I was taking Vitamin D and was deathly afraid I was overdosing on it. It's hard to overdose on Vitamin D. Not impossible, but hard. That was my first test that showed, for me, that 2000 IU over and above what was in my daily multi-vitamin.mineral and ½ gallon of whole milk a week was enough to get me to 50 ng/ml. My civilian primary care practitioner tests all her patients now.
#6.1 Gospace (Link) on 2022-12-31 01:59 (Reply)
Use common sense. You don't need to take huge doses of any vitamins, just go with what is recommended. Minimal doses are not going to hurt you, and while they might not help everyone who takes them, they will more than likely help a few. Read the Disquis comments off to the side and you figure out pretty quick this website is populated by people that still believe that everyone who died the last 2 years died from Covid and most of them could have been saved if it weren't for a conspiracy by the Trump administration to hide information about how scary and devastating Covid really was. In other words, I don't think the website is one we really need to be looking to for good common sense advice.
#7 Dirk (Link) on 2022-12-30 21:27 (Reply)
I was facing a serious health problem with surgery forecast a few years ago. I prepared by losing about 20 lb and taking the RDA of all the vitamins, trace minerals. every day. So, this was in addition to what the normal diet provides, and my diet is pretty good, not much processed food at all.

I had taken vitamins off and on all through my life, usually for some holistic type health agenda, but the funny thing was: When I started taking this array of vitamins to cover my RDA, I started feeling better. It really surprised me. I've kept it up since then, about 4 years now. Is it placebo effect? Who gives a sh*t? Vitamins are cheap and I feel better.
#7.1 Aggie on 2022-12-30 22:46 (Reply)
I started the Vit C routine about 6 years ago and shortly after I added D3. I haven't had a cold, the flue or Covid since starting the regimen. See no reason to stop as I don't miss any of those maladies. I added Zinc when the Covid began. They are cheap, available, and out of the governments reach. At least so far.
#7.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-12-31 00:12 (Reply)
In regards to the vitamin d study.

It appears that different standards are applied to different treatments in evaluating their effectiveness.

The evidence of effectiveness of vitamin d from the study çited is indeed weak. But it appears to be much more robust than the evidence of effectiveness of an annual flu shot.

Yet the flu shot is pushed everywhere with claims that it is highly effective load the term effective is never defined.
I hear advertisements, see signage and receive repeated emails from my doctor recommending the flu shot. This certainly implies that flu shots are highly effective in preventing flu. But certainly the studies demonstrate otherwise.

It's this double standard that I find most problematic.

Inactivated influenza vaccines probably reduce influenza in healthy adults from 2.3% without vaccination to 0.9% (risk ratio (RR) 0.41, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.36 to 0.47;

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269.pub6/full
#8 OldDude on 2022-12-31 12:10 (Reply)
make an informed decision based on your particular circumstances re vitamin use... then give it a rest on internet pissing contests. As for NYE, I reached my quota of alcohol 19 years ago and quite. Spending a night with sloppy drunks not my idea of fun anymore
#9 nunya on 2022-12-31 19:21 (Reply)

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