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Tuesday, September 6. 2022

Tuesday morning links

  Trans Toddlers and Secret Abortions: Elite NYC Private Schools Use Summer Reading Lists to Push Radical Agenda


 Terrence Williams Put His Own Picture on the Box of his Pancake Mix — Facebook Labeled it as ‘Racist’


 Teacher Enoch Burke spent his first night in custody isolated from general prison population. Enoch Burke told the High Court: “I am here today because I would not call a boy a girl.”


 Scientific American magazine Says Western science invented the ‘two-sex model’


The strange pleasures of feeling unwell: It Hurts so Good 


Trump's incendiary rally proved President Biden was right


 Who wrote Joe Biden's blood-red "soul of America" speech? Jon "Soul of America" Meacham?


 Pappy O’Daniel, Warm Up The Biscuits For The GOP And Its Disappearing ‘Constituency’


 Judge Appoints Special Master, Temporarily Bars FBI/DOJ Review Or Use Of Records Seized in Mar-a-Lago Raid


 Idealist and Idiot - Gorbachev’s legacy is partly to blame for the tyranny into which Russia has since slumped.



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" Judge Appoints Special Master, Temporarily Bars FBI/DOJ Review Or Use Of Records Seized in Mar-a-Lago Raid" You know they have already rummaged through and photographed everything especially his private protected papers. I now realize I would never trust our so called government again.
#1 JC on 2022-09-06 09:54 (Reply)
"Scientific American magazine Says Western science invented the 'two-sex model'"

So "Western" scientists invented male and female animals?

How to explain the fact that decidedly non-Western languages like Chinese, Kannada and Swahili have different words for "bull" and "cow"?
#2 JJM on 2022-09-06 10:08 (Reply)
I can remember when Scientific American magazine was a good read, a source of good scientific information. But it went woke and now it is Pravda. You can no longer trust that anything they print is true.
#2.1 JustMe on 2022-09-06 10:41 (Reply)
Scientific American went woke before it was popular. They turned in the late seventies, IIRC.
#2.1.1 snopercod on 2022-09-06 11:20 (Reply)
Scientific American lost its soul when Martin Gardner left in 1979. He wrote one of the funnest columns in any magazine (at least if you were a math geek like me).

Just rotted from the inside out. It used to be a magazine for Americans who were interested in actual science, not just pictures of science.
#2.2 TheCaptain on 2022-09-06 15:52 (Reply)
What was the FBI thinking? Every record that Trump took with him when he left office was declassified. They knew this and yet they "trumped" up these claims of classified material. What was their plan? Once this hits a court it will be clear that Trump declassified all the records so what then is left of the FBI's claimed reason to get a search warrant for everything including the first lady's underwear?
#3 OneGuy on 2022-09-06 10:34 (Reply)
The plan is "Look, a squirrel".
#3.1 Exasperated on 2022-09-06 11:03 (Reply)
OneGuy: Every record that Trump took with him when he left office was declassified.

There is no evidence that Trump declassified the records. The appeals court held in N.Y. Times v. Central Intelligence Agency that "Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures … Because declassification, even by the President, must follow established procedures.” Furthermore, classification involving human intelligence sources and nuclear secrets are regulated by statute, not by presidential order.

Even if declassified, the documents remain government records, and they must be surrendered to the National Archives at the end of the president's term.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter if the records were declassified, if they involve information relating to the national security. They are still protected under the Espionage Act.

Finally, the documents were under subpoena. Trump had a legal obligation to surrender them.
#3.2 Zachriel on 2022-09-06 11:36 (Reply)
"The appeals court held in N.Y. Times v. Central Intelligence Agency that "Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures"

You are dead wrong on that and that is the point. The U.S. President is the only individual in the U.S. government that can declassify any document at will, and with no recourse by a declassification panel — or a pre-determined declassification date.
#3.2.1 OneGuy on 2022-09-06 11:55 (Reply)
OneGuy: You are dead wrong on that and that is the point.

Huh? We provided the appeals court case. Perhaps you mean the court was wrong.

Classification, with certain statutory exceptions, is an administrative process. If the process is ambiguious, it renders classification pointless. No one could possibly know what is or is not classified.

Also, you are arguing that Trump declassified information that had previously been determined to be relating to national defense and would be damaging to national security if it became public, including information concerning human intelligence sources. Declassified documents would be subject to FOIA requests for public release. Is that your position?

Regardless, previously classified documents remain government records under subpoena, and, if relating to the national defense, protected by the Espionage Act.
#3.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2022-09-06 12:15 (Reply)
After using the FBI to suppress his son's crimes and to raid a political rival's house, Biden warned that democracy was in danger.
#3.2.1.1.1 Zachinoff on 2022-09-06 13:33 (Reply)
You are dead wrong on that and that is the point. The U.S. President is the only individual in the U.S. government that can declassify any document at will, and with no recourse by a declassification panel — or a pre-determined declassification date.

How much more clear can it be? The appeals court no matter how left wing they might be cannot take away the presidents constitutional responsibilities and duties. He has the absolute last word on declassifying any and all documents. He did in fact declassify the documents in question. The FBI knows both of these things to be true so they had to have lied or misrepresented facts to get their search warrant. Period!
#3.2.1.1.2 OneGuy on 2022-09-06 13:34 (Reply)
QUOTE:
Page #2 and Page #3 of Judge Aileen Cannon’s ruling cites a quote from the DOJ own legal filing, dated May 10th, that Joe Biden ordered the National Archives and Records Administration to provide access to the FBI to review the Trump records.


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/05/federal-judge-notes-in-special-master-order-a-quoted-doj-citation-that-joe-biden-ordered-fbi-access-to-mar-a-lago-documents/
#3.2.1.1.2.1 Zachinoff on 2022-09-06 13:48 (Reply)
OneGuy: The appeals court no matter how left wing they might be cannot take away the presidents constitutional responsibilities and duties.

The appeals court has the power of precendent. It could be overruled by a higher court, but that has yet to occur. That is stronger evidence of the status of the law than "Is not!" or even "IS NOT!"

OneGuy: He did in fact declassify the documents in question.

Is there tangible evidence of that claim?

Regardless, the other points remain (which you have ignored):
  • If the process is ambiguious, it renders classification pointless. No one could possibly know what is or is not classified. This would be contrary to the will of Congress, which is that a uniform standard be applied.
  • You are arguing that Trump declassified information that had previously been determined to be relating to national defense and would be damaging to national security if it became public, including information concerning human intelligence sources. Declassified documents would be subject to FOIA requests for public release. Is that your position?
  • Previously classified documents remain government records.
  • Documents relating to the national defense are still protected by the Espionage Act, regardless of classification.
  • The documents were under subpoena, so Trump had a legal obligation to surrender them.
#3.2.1.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2022-09-06 13:55 (Reply)
Trump and his lawyers know what they're doing.

QUOTE:
Question: “Mr. President, how much advanced notice did you have of the FBI’s plan to search Mar-a-Lago?“

BIDEN: “I didn’t have any advanced notice. None, zero, not one single bit.”


Brandon lied.

[Ufl]https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/24/joe-biden-claims-he-had-no-advance-notice-of-fbi-raid-on-donald-trump-home-none-zero-not-one-little-bit/[/ufl]
#3.2.1.1.2.2.1 Zachinoff on 2022-09-06 13:58 (Reply)
"The appeals court has the power of precendent. It could be overruled by a higher court, but that has yet to occur. That is stronger evidence of the status of the law than "Is not!" or even "IS NOT!""

You are wrong and simply won't acknowledge it. "The U.S. President is the only individual in the U.S. government that can declassify any document at will, and with no recourse by a declassification panel — or a pre-determined declassification date." No court can simply decide that doesn't exist. It is inherent in the office. The installed president has that power as well (except that he was never actually elected but simply installed).

"Is there tangible evidence of that claim?"

Yes! President Trump declared that he did that in Oct of 2020.


"If the process is ambiguious, it renders classification pointless.


The process is the same it always has been and it is unambiguous. There is a process for everyone involved in classified material and the presidents process is that he is the only individual in the U.S. government that can declassify any document at will"

"ou are arguing that Trump declassified information that had previously been determined to be relating to national defense and would be damaging to national security if it became public, including information concerning human intelligence sources. Declassified documents would be subject to FOIA requests for public release. Is that your position?"

Yeah, so what? What's your point? He has that ability and if that is what he did what is your point???
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2 OneGuy on 2022-09-06 15:08 (Reply)
OneGuy: You are wrong and simply won't acknowledge it.

Wrong about what? We accurately cited an appeals court case, which is the current precedent.

OneGuy: President Trump declared that he did that in Oct of 2020.

Where?

OneGuy: Yeah

Declassifying documents doesn't mean they no longer relate to the national defense or that their public exposure wouldn't cause harm to national security. Some of the documents were labeled "top secret" meaning grave damage to national security. Some were marked HSC, meaning they are related to human intelligence sources.

OneGuy: He has that ability and if that is what he did what is your point???

If they are relating to the national defense, they would still be covered under the Espionage Act.

{You did try to answer the second point, but ignored the other four points.}
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1 Zachriel on 2022-09-06 15:16 (Reply)
And you Quibble-DickZ keep ignoring that this is a political hit job perpetrated by the Big Guy, Garland, and the FBI.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1 Zachinoff on 2022-09-06 15:27 (Reply)
It appears they got records on tax information and also decades of his health records. They also got about 1700 magazine and news articles... clothing, memorabilia, and NO nuke codes.

We would know none of this if the judge had not granted Trump a special master. The FBI narrative of only needing to return his passports has collapsed. DC lives and breathes nothing but narratives.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-09-06 17:26 (Reply)
As stated before Trump and his lawyers know what they're doing.
Personally, I think they have the goods on Hillary's missing e-mails, Operation Crossfire, and Hunter's money laundering operations causing a shit fit in the White House..
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.1 Zachinoff on 2022-09-06 18:11 (Reply)
indyjonesouthere: It appears they got records on tax information and also decades of his health records.

When there is contraband in a box, the search warrant authorized taking the entire box. It's standard procedure.

indyjonesouthere: We would know none of this if the judge had not granted Trump a special master.

That they would take the entire box if it contained contraband is in the search warrant. An example was provided in Attachment F to the government filing.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2022-09-06 20:22 (Reply)
The FBI only admitted to taking his two passports, therefore no need to have a special master. Once again, they are lying liars. Even the "pictures" of "classified documents" were nothing more than empty folders. Looked good in pictures but they had zero content. The FBI is destroying itself in the pursuit of politics.

This is like the Russia hoax. All hot air all the time. Narrative, narrative and more narrative. They have much better control if they can keep the legal narrative inside DC. When it is outside DC they run into trouble. It is ALL lawfare.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-09-06 21:17 (Reply)
indyjonesouthere: The FBI only admitted to taking his two passports, therefore no need to have a special master.

The search yielded over 11,000 government documents, as well as over 100 documents marked classified. In response to the subpoena, Trump’s attorney had stated, in writing, that there were no documents marked classified remaining on the property.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2022-09-06 21:59 (Reply)
The FBI claimed all were government documents except the two passports. In fact, that was not the case and the FBI did NOT want that known. Now the special master can go through everything seized and return much of it to Trump. The FBI wanted the court to trust the FBI's judgement on what should be returned. The FBI has shown poor judgement over the years and over this case. The judge acknowledged as much and mandated a special master. As far as FBI claims... we will surely find out in due time if any of it amounts to more than narrative. The Russia hoax was narrative. No reason to believe this is anything but narrative to lead off the election season.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-09-06 22:14 (Reply)
indyjonesouthere: The FBI claimed all were government documents except the two passports.

No, they didn't. You can see that from Attachment F in the government filing. Boxes that contain contraband can be seized as evidence. In addition, the government noted that there were a number of documents that may be protected by attorney-client privilege.

By the way, you will also find in the filing the subpoena for "Any and all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings," and the certification from Trump's attorney that a search was conducted and that all such documents were returned with the certification. That certification was false. And that is what matters.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2022-09-07 08:37 (Reply)
They were after ANYTHING they could potentially use against Trump. I'm surprised you admit that. It confirms it was nothing but a fishing expedition. Old tax information, old health information, anything they might leverage.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-09-07 11:26 (Reply)
indyjonesouthere: They were after ANYTHING they could potentially use against Trump.

The government subpoenaed any and all documents marked classified. Trump's attorney certified that they had turned over "any and all" such documents. The government showed probable cause that the certification was false. That led to the search warrant. The warrant turned up numerous documents marked classified. The certification was false, in fact. The search warrant, much like any other warrant for contraband, allowed them to seize anything found with the contraband. How did you think it worked?

Of course, you continue to ignore the lie implicit in the certification, and the fact that Trump has been keeping highly sensitive documents contrary to law and in defiance of a court order.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2022-09-07 11:49 (Reply)
You and the FBI are as crazy as Biden who, by the way, denied sending the DOJ/FBI after Trump. This is just a rewarming of the Russia hoax just in time for the coming elections.
#3.2.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2022-09-07 13:59 (Reply)
re Terrence Williams Put His Own Picture on the Box of his Pancake Mix — Facebook Labeled it as ‘Racist’

One wonders why blacks are aloowed to appear anywhere in advertising or in media if it just reinforces stereotypes?
#4 feeblemind on 2022-09-06 10:37 (Reply)
I think Terrence Williams has a very good legal case against Facebook for interfering in his pancake mix business because of his race.
#4.1 RebeccaH on 2022-09-06 16:54 (Reply)
Hmmm . . .

I hadn't thought about that.

Be interesting to see what happens.
#4.1.1 feeblemind on 2022-09-06 22:55 (Reply)
One thing that the $10,000 student debt transfer has made clear is that it would be literally impossible to make higher education free. This transfer of debt to the tax payer is going to cost $1 trillion or more and represents a tiny fraction of the total debt and a tiny fraction of the debt incurred each year. This implies that free college could cost many trillions every year, perhaps $5 trillion or so.

Perhaps the government has no business getting involved in student debt. Government institutions are in the business of making things worse in order to collect more money to make them better.
#5 IdahBob on 2022-09-06 11:16 (Reply)
"Trump's incendiary rally proved President Biden was right" Read the article. It proves that Biden and his supporters are incredibly ignorant.
#6 alanstorm on 2022-09-06 11:19 (Reply)
Has anyone been watching 'Rings Of Power' on Amazon Prime?

The series is being panned for being woke.

'Rings Of Power' Fails Because It Abandons Tolkien's Moral Imagination

https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/06/amazons-rings-of-power-fails-because-it-abandons-tolkiens-moral-imagination/
#7 feeblemind on 2022-09-06 12:36 (Reply)
What's ring of power and what is amazon prime. How do you watch amazon? I see the trucks but I don't watch them. I ring of power a TV show?
#8 SillyMe on 2022-09-06 13:37 (Reply)
When you sign up for Amazon Prime, that gives you access to their large library of streaming videos.
#8.1 snopercod on 2022-09-06 16:21 (Reply)
If Joe Biden really got 81 million votes, the Republican constituency is already gone. The constituency of sane people is just a tiny minority. And you know where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise. Might as well give myself a lobotomy and start voting Democrat.
#9 Jerryskids on 2022-09-06 16:32 (Reply)

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