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Every third grader knows this. It is obvious right away who the "smart kids" are and who the "dumb kids" are, and they never change. The troublemakers (in and outside the classroom) are almost always the dumb kids, because they are bored out of their minds in school. Denying this is futile, cruel, and counterproductive. Why should kids who "don't take to book learning" be subjected to it for 8 to 12 years? They could be e.g. learning a couple of trades so that they can be productive citizens later. People are happiest when they are working; it would be a benefit to those youngsters and society as a whole if we acknowledged this simple truth about human nature and worked with it, instead of fighting against it.
That would reduce the public school pool by one-third to one-half, thereby reducing the public education bureaucracy by one-third to one-half. I suspect you would have to whack the education bureaucracy down to size first, before even thinking about taking the dummies out of public schools and putting them on a trade trajectory.
Now tell us about 'education humanity's' replicable ability to move kids into lower percentiles by failing to educate with intelligence-developing materials. Like literacy, basic math, and a sense of accurate historical perspective, for example.
Yep--you're not going to make an Einstein out of a run-of-the-mill Joe, but you sure can waste potential in a brutal, oafish school. Even if a brilliant kid finds a way to escape the trap, you've at least wasted his time.
In the third grade my friend and I were nerds. But my friend was Jewish and he had to go home after school and study and then after dinner to what we called then "Jewish school". One day I was standing outside his window talking with him and his mother came out and told me to leave and never come back because her son was not able to come out and he had other things he had to do. He went on to become a doctor. He was not "smarter than me, his family pushed him to study and become a professional, could have been a lawyer or a scientists but something more than the common man aspired to. Over the years in school I saw this replicated dozens of times. Family support and pressure and actively enabling their child to excel. It works but it requires a lot of commitment over 12-20 years. And THAT is why most of our students graduate knowing almost nothing.
Perhaps life is unfair as in traditional families most of this responsibility falls on the mother. But that is what it takes and while you cannot make every child into a doctor or lawyer you can literally make any and every child learn more in their school years and qualify for college and/or better jobs. I'm not saying that the schools couldn't do more or shouldn't do more. I am simply saying that in spite of the schools trend to under achieve that parents can compensate for that failure and in fact do a better job than the schools do. He was smarter than you. Nothing against you per se, but the myth that Jewish kids (Northeast Asian, Northwest European, Igbo, Brahmin, etc) got there by working harder and being encouraged more gets the cart before the horse. From earliest years, and for many decades, they have higher IQs, even when adopted, even when in different cultures.
Working hard does many good things, but not this one. I agree with you. My neighbor who was my age went to a Catholic girls' school. I went to public school. Her mother would let her out to play for one hour after school, then back inside to help with dinner and after dinner those long So. California evenings were spent at her desk doing homework.
Second item: I have read several times a reference to Jewish Boys Schools. That the boys have stand-up desks and get to walk around a little bit during class to burn off boy energy. Does anyone here know about these schools? i think they have a lot we could learn from! Well, that's how myths get perpetuated, by people who have (usually unreliable) memories of anecdotes, regardless of what the cold hard data says.
It is a fascinating thing what people prefer as their proof. Most people use some version of what they have seen in their own life, or think they have seen. I have an exceptionally good memory, but have been right once and wrong once on challenged memories from decades ago in the last 18 hours. Our memories are extremely unreliable. I greatly prefer actual research with more data points than one. We also draw mostly only convenient conclusions that agree with our presuppositions from the events we witness. IIRC I have posted previously here and/or on Neoneo about traditional Jewish seminaries. They are buzzing and noisy as students prepare for the day's lecture by studying/arguing over core texts in pairs or other small groups. Then the lecture is given, either before or after lunch. The afternoon can be devoted to lighter subjects than Talmud.
In Jewish day schools the secular content of a regular school day occupies the afternoon. By junior high the school day starts with morning prayers around 8 AM and ends at 5-6 PM. There are both regular desks and lecterns. During the religious studies in the morning the energy level is quite high - and because the teachers are male, the standard of behavior is keyed to boys. Secular studies are often taught by public school teachers who expect regular classrom decorum, so the lecterns are less used. This tradition arose in poverty and marginalization. It was available to only the naturally talented who were identified early on in "cheder" (literally "room" , schoolroom) which was an abbreviated elementary school focused on reading, the prayerbook, practical laws of ritual observances, and basic Bible study with just a taste of Talmud. There was a similar 2-tier system in other Jewish communities. In North Africa the Cheder-type education was conducted by the "Mori" ("teacher/revered one"). Most boys had no formal education beyond this basic level, and went into the fields or the trades. In modern affluent society the Jewish community had the resouces to give thw "seminary" model to all students. And it dovetailed with industrial-era education mandates. But it has been a mixed blessing, with less talented students dropping out of not just school - but abandoning Judaism. There is now a movement to introduce vocational tracks. The best thing my parents ever gave me was an "education" mindset. Not to keep going to school, but to read and experiment and try things on my own. My first big self-education project was to expand my verbal and reading vocabularies (handy for a college lecturer); I now actually can speak like a college professor! I'm sure this was part of an Ability Band jump that qualified me for a good graduate school.
Along the way I taught myself gourmet cooking and basic woodworking, and took enough lessons to become a passable downhill skier. My latest push is jazz piano which is a trek, but set to music. Oh, and math, lots of math that I should have learned in school, but my brain was impermeable at the time. John Taylor Gatto's The Underground History of American Education is one of the finest explorations of education and mass schooling, and the damage it does to actual learning and growth. Read it and weep.
Gatto is fascinating, and his diagnosis is at least partly right. I am less optimistic about his solutions. He doesn't really show his work, just insists that his way must be better because the old way is so terrible.
But again, other than eating lead or getting hit on the head, ability is genetic (and maybe prenatal, that sort of epigenetic). Schools don't do half the good or half the harm as is claimed. I left high school intending to be an art teacher. The problem is, when I got to college, I ended up hating my art classes and my art teachers, all of which seemed to be intent on slotting me into accepting "art" that met their expectations. Couple that with my immaturity and the distractions of having to grow up in a college atmosphere (which at this point in life, I don't recommend to anyone). After that came marriage, children, and having to work at other things to make ends meet, and only intermittently indulging in my first love, art. Now, near the end of my life, I have spent time teaching craft and art lessons to other people strictly as an amateur. In other words, an art teacher.
Well, it's long been known, at least 140 years that kids are broken to the classroom by 3rd grade.
QUOTE: Charles Francis Adams, Jr., : "The imitative or memorizing faculties only are cultivated, and little or no attention is paid to the thinking or reflective powers. Indeed it may almost be said that a child of any originality or with individual characteristics is looked upon as wholly out of place in a public school. ... To skate is as difficult as to write; probably more difficult. Yet in spite of hard teaching in the one case and no teaching in the other, the boy can skate beautifully, and he cannot write his native tongue at all." "Scientific Common-school Education." Harper's Magazine, November, 1880 QUOTE: The evil is most serious with young children because of their youth. Many of them, while making good progress in the three R's, outgrow their tendency to ask questions and to raise objections, in other words lose their mental boldness or originality, by the time they have attended school four years. But all along, from the kindergarten to the college, there is almost a likelihood that the self will be undermined while acquiring knowledge, and that, in consequence, one will become permanently weakened while supposedly being educated. In this respect it is dangerous to attend a school of any grade. --How to Study and Teaching How to Study (1909) by F. M. McMurry So, if you put a kid in a school, not only are the broken to be passive learner, but schools are organized to pit kid against kid, with the non-athletic, "brainy" kids being bullied for ruining the curve. So, students learn early on, to find the level that lets them "do their time" the easiest. Thomas Sowell's personal story is of him being taken from North Carolina schools, where black or white, the standards were lower and put in a school in Harlem where he had to work harder and learn to use the library to meet the standards. The thing to keep in mind, schools, at least in the US, will not teach students how to study. And when a kid hits a rough patch, especially in something like math, they are left behind and rarely catch up on their own. Kids reach the level of their untrained ability to study and then that's their level. Teach them how to study and they can go higher. Good students tend to have parents who had better study ability, parents who teach their children what they did. But schools will not teach this so students are left to find their own level. These "study methods" are the same today as they were when the author of the 1909 book collected them in his youth in the 19th century QUOTE: No doubt every one can recall peculiar methods study that he or some one else has at some time followed. During my attendance at high school, I often studied aloud at home along with several other temporary or permanent members of the family. I remember becoming exasperated at times by one of my girl companions. She not only read her history aloud, but as she read she stopped to repeat each sentence five times with great vigor. Although the din interfered with my own work, I could not help but admire her endurance; for the physical labor of mastering a lesson was certainly equal to that of a good farm hand, for the same period of time. This way of studying history seemed ridiculous. But the method pursued by myself and several others in beginning algebra at about the time was not greatly superior. Our text-book contained several long sets of problems which were the terror of the class and scarcely one of which we able to solve alone. We had several friends, however, who could solve them and by calling upon them help, we obtained the "statement" for each one. All these statements I memorized, and in that way I was able to "pass off" the subject A few years later, when a school principal, I had a fifteen-year-old boy in my school who was intolerably lazy. His ambition was temporarily aroused, however, when he bought a new book and began the study of history. He happened to be the first one called upon in the first recitation and he started off finely. But soon he stopped, in the middle of a sentence and sat down. When I asked him what was the matter, he simply replied that that was as far as he had got. Then, on glancing at the book, I saw that he had been reproducing the text verbatim and the last word that he had uttered was the last word on the first page. These few examples suggest the extremes to which young people may go in their methods of study. The first instance might illustrate the muscular method of learning history; the second the memoriter method of reasoning in mathematics. I have never been able to imagine how the boy, in the third case, went about his task; hence, I can suggest no name for his method. While these methods of study are ridiculous. I am not at all sure that they are in a high degree exceptional. The most extensive investigation of examples of this subject has been made by Dr Lida B. Earhart, and the facts that she has collected reveal a woeful ignorance of the whole subject of study. |