Maggie's Farm

I am very careful about my health and I cannot see a reason to "try" one of these products. Their claims are really no different than all the other fake treatments and supplements on the market today. I'm a skeptic on everything but usually it is the best position to have. It seems that the more something is hyped the more likely there is a reason they have to over sell it and lie. Besides I'm cheap and wouldn't consider buying anything that costs as much as this stuff does.

Well you opened up a number of cans of worms.

First when I said fake I didn't mean (just) like a placebo or Homeopathy. I simply mean that it falls into the category of not approved or disregarded by science and simply not effective. "Fake" is just the pejorative of choice not to be taken too literally.

Second: The CBD purveyors are their own worst enemies. Their ads smell like pure BS. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Imagine that CBD would actually do what it claims. Legitimate doctors would line up to prescribe/suggest it to cure hundreds of problems.

Third: As far as reacting with prescribed medications goes. A lot of useless plants and other supplements react with medicines and as such you need to be aware of that but that is certainly not proof that they do you any good or live up to the promises of the sales people. With my very short list of medications there are a couple dozen common foods I cannot eat (like grapefruit) or should consume much of (like broccoli). That doesn't make grapefruit or broccoli a medication.


I doubt that CQ10 does anything useful. For that matter I doubt that any of the "supplements" do anything useful EXCEPT make the manufacturers and sellers rich.

Convince me I'm wrong. Give me your best example of a "supplement" that works. I think it is all "fake".

None of that made any sense. You just "reacted" to what I said and replied with a negative to each point. You didn't think it through.

You think the semantics of the word fake are important and if you get to define the meaning then you win. Fine chose whatever word you want to and I will keep using fake i.e. doesn't work.

"OK, regulatory agencies have 'approved' it." I'm guessing by "it" you mean CBD. Do you really think it was "approved"?? Seriously? It wasn't "approved it was legalized, as in yeah! whatever... It isn't "approved" it is politicized for profit. But you begged the question: does it work??? What does it cure? Does it cure cancer or gout? What does it actually do? You claim it is an "active drug" whatever that means so what activity does it perform? Make me a better dancer? Or maybe make e think I'm a better dancer? Or maybe it actively takes hundreds of dollars from my pocket to the sellers pocket.

The last sentence I couldn't figure out it almost looked like you were arguing that I'm correct. Maybe you meant why should I disparage CBD if I'm not going to use it and let others make their own choice. Well, I'm not going to kill anyone either but I have a strong interest in preventing others from killing and if they do kill to see that they are punished.

But none of this was my point! My position on this is simple. All of this crap, all of the supplements, the multi-billion dollar business of pushing fake drugs is a scam. My challenge is still open, Show me how some over the counter supplement cures or prevents something. (And don't be silly as in water prevents dying of thirst or something equally stupid.)

If CBD is "your" thingy than show me what it cures. Cancer? diabetes? old age? what? and prove it. I don't think it does diddly squat just as copper infused clothing doesn't cure arthritis. It's all a scam aimed mostly at people who are aging and desperate to regain some of their youth and vigor. Prove me wrong!

Let me make the case for you:

Some vitamins (supplements) actually help. Like Iron or vitamin B-12. Some people have a problem either acquiring them from food or retaining them. So iron or B-12 supplements can correct this. But of course the problem with this as a defense is that like water it is merely an essential nutrient that your body must have and all you are doing in these cases is consuming that nutrient. Where this example goes off the rails is it isn't uncommon among the supplement "believers/religion" that they take too much of these kinds of things and actually cause harm. The entire purpose of a vitamin supplement is to merely provide the necessary amount of that vitamin to you body not to overdose on it in the crazy belief that it is magic. And yes the people who do this will tell you wide eyed that it does wonders and is magic and they will live forever...

Another possible good argument is Ivermectin. It is literally available over the counter and it did in fact cure covid or in many cases simply helped the individual survive covid. But... Ivermectin is an approved drug and it did exactly what it was designed to do and therefore simply because it was available without prescription doesn't qualify it as a "supplement".

Well, what about aspirin or Tylenol etc.? Nope! Those are drugs not fake supplements. Ditto for cough drops or nasal sprays and other things that can relieve the symptoms and while not "curing" anything they allow for comfort, maybe getting a good nights sleep and do help with the recovery from colds and flu. But they aren't "supplements" they are long standing medically approved and "prescribed" (not requiring a prescription just "prescribed").

So what's left? All those products advertised on late night TV or those prime time shows that the less intelligent among us love to watch. Superbeets, balance of nature, gojo berries, CBD, etc. The larger category of "fake" supplements that claim great powers (in carefully worded legalese to avoid actually claiming that they do anything). What do they do, prevent, cure?

I'm a cancer survivor. Two major operations and I'm doing OK. But I still have cancer, it just isn't growing fast enough to kill me soon. I also have had numerous skin cancers but my melanoma was cured!! Not magically with CBD oil or gummies but by the simple medical procedure of cutting it out. It was cured! What does CBD cure??? If it actually did anything they wouldn't have to use weasel words and lawyer speak in their ads. My dermatologists CURED my melanoma. Your CBD doesn't cure anything. That is the point I am making. If it hands down with irrefutable proof cures. prevents or fixes something than say so. But you can't. All you can say is "some people notice a slight increase in ... Or some people believe it helps them sleep or makes them sexy or whatever.
That would be like me praying my cancer would go away. It wouldn't.

Is bioactive a real thing? Sounds like a laxative. What does it mean.

I see you are still hung up on "fake".