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Re the gun ban: The difference is the 2nd amendment. He cannot do this legally because it would be an infringement ona right that neither the federal not state government is allowed to infringe on. But of course the reality is our Supreme Court is political and has been for years so who knows what they will decide.

#2 OneGuy on 2021-12-13 11:00 (Reply)

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Turley: Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money: Newsom Calls For Gun Ban Modeled on Texas Abortion Law

OneGuy: Re the gun ban: The difference is the 2nd amendment.

Even if you disagree with the decision, Roe was decided under the 14th Amendment.

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Turley: In the recent decision, Chief Justice John Roberts noted that

“The clear purpose and actual effect of S. B. 8 has been to nullify this Court’s rulings. … Indeed, if “the legislatures of the several states may, at will, annul the judgments of the courts of the United States, and destroy the rights acquired under those judgments, the constitution itself becomes a solemn mockery.” United States v. Peters, 5 Cranch 115, 136 (1809). The nature of the federal right infringed does not matter; it is the role of the Supreme Court in our constitutional system that is at stake.”

That was not in the decision, but in the dissent. If vigilante lawsuits can be used to infringe on rights, then there is nothing to stop a state from enabling lawsuits against businesses who sell guns or people who criticize Trump. Judges may throw out such suits, or not. But people who aid abortions, sell guns, or criticize Trump would be subject to uncertain civil liability. It chills the free exercise of the right.

#2.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 11:22 (Reply)

The constitution is silent as regards abortion. But it is emphatically loud regarding the right to keep and bear arms and that neither the federal, state nor local governments can infringe on that right. Doesn't get any simpler.

#2.1.1 OneGuy on 2021-12-13 13:59 (Reply)

OneGuy: The constitution is silent as regards abortion.

Again, it doesn't matter whether you agree with the Supreme Court on abortion or not. As a matter of law, the limited right to abortion is an unenumerated right protected under the 14th Amendment.

OneGuy: But it is emphatically loud regarding the right to keep and bear arms and that neither the federal, state nor local governments can infringe on that right.

That's the whole point of the Texas law and the proposed California law. The state government won't be enforcing an infringement. Vigilantes will do so civilly.

#2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 14:10 (Reply)

It's good to see that the Zachbot collective are supportive of vigilantes. Yay Kyle!

#2.1.1.1.1 Earle on 2021-12-13 15:02 (Reply)

Your explanation is deceivingly incomplete. In Roe, the majority ruled that the Third, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments could be read together to synthesize a general Federal Right to privacy, which they then incorporated to the States under the 14th.

Interestingly, the court has refused to perform this same type of synthetic analysis in other cases, such as finding that the Ex Post Facto clause could be read together with Second, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments to require the State of California for compensating the owners of existing firearms made unlawful to possess in the state without compensating the owners for the loss of value thus incurred.

#2.1.1.1.2 Another guy named Dan on 2021-12-13 15:04 (Reply)

Another guy named Dan: Did you really mean to say that? Can you list all our unenumerated rights?

It wasn't meant to be complete. What matters with regards to the Whole Woman's Health decision is that the Supreme Court has found that the right to terminate an abortion is a right under the U.S. Constitution, and binding on the states. Even if they reverse and end abortion rights, the Whole Woman's Health decision would remain. And that means the courts won't enjoin such laws that impact constitutionally protected rights.

#2.1.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 15:50 (Reply)

"unenumerated right" LOL!!! That's good! Did you really mean to say that? Can you list all our unenumerated rights?

I could say so much more about this subject but I can't stop laughing... LOL

#2.1.1.1.3 OneGuy on 2021-12-13 15:04 (Reply)

OneGuy: Did you really mean to say that?

QUOTE:

Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights

#2.1.1.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 15:52 (Reply)

Earle: It's good to see that the Zachbot collective are supportive of vigilantes.

Not at all. The Supreme Court decision will be destabilizing to the U.S. legal system, as can be seen with California's proposed law. For instance, a local government could pass a law allowing people to sue if someone criticizes Trump or Biden. And while trial courts may or may not reject such suits, the suits could nonetheless be filed. The result would be to chill free speech.

#2.1.1.1.4 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 15:45 (Reply)

Vermont school commits to kiddie porn as enlightening for children: The STUPID is STRONG in these ones.
Teachers Don't Want to Come In to Work Because of Class Privileges: FINE! Defenestrate (toss out from/through a window) the teachers' unions.

Chris Wallace Leaving Fox News: I am sooooooo niot bummed (not that I watch Fox News; I don't.)

#3 Sam L. on 2021-12-13 11:04 (Reply)

It seems weird that you would have a beauty contest for camels, but in a culture that thinks of dogs as unclean animals, a camel beauty pageant is not much different than a dog show. Which is not to say that dog shows also seem weird.

#4 Jerryskids on 2021-12-13 11:16 (Reply)

Chris "Chuck" Wallace has always been a biased left-wing pundit. If this hasn't been obvious, it will when he transitions to CNN.

#5 mike on 2021-12-13 11:39 (Reply)

The funniest thing I read about Chris Wallace leaving Fox News and joining CNN+ is that by doing so, the collective IQ has been raised in both places.

Why shouldn't the support for the UPenn swimmer be fake? After all, he started it.

#6 Aggie on 2021-12-13 11:49 (Reply)

For frying, shrimp should be breaded in cracker meal. Corn meal is for fish.

#7 fred on 2021-12-13 12:46 (Reply)

Iranian Terror Group Protected by Biden Aided Him in 2020 Election

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In 2007, Joe Biden became one of only 22 senators to vote against designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization. The IRGC is Iran’s central terror hub, organizing, funding, and training terrorists around the region and the world.

Including terrorists who murdered Americans.

Biden was so proud of his IRGC vote that he used it to attack Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for being insufficiently pro-Iran, and then brought it up during the Democrat debate.

After Senator Mike Gravel defended two of the IRGC’s terror groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, contending, “these people are fighting for their rights”, Biden joined in with colleague, claiming that the “moment that declaration was made, every one of our friends, from Iraq to Pakistan, felt they had to distance themselves from us because it appears to be a war on Islam.”

The IRGC clearly appreciated Biden’s support and tried to pay it forward in the 2020 election.

http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2021/12/iranian-terror-group-protected-by-biden.html

#8 feeblemind on 2021-12-13 13:05 (Reply)

feeblemind: Iranian Terror Group Protected by Biden Aided Him in 2020 Election

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Less than two weeks before the 2020 US presidential election, tens of thousands of emails purportedly from the far-right group Proud Boys threatened to “come after” Democrats if they didn't vote for Trump.
https://www.wired.com/story/iran-2020-election-interference/

The perpetrators, who were funded by Iran, have been indicted by the Biden administration. They were replicating the playbook that Russia used in 2016.

#8.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 13:32 (Reply)

We now know that the FBI infiltrated the proud boys with the intent of creating false flags so they could be negated politically. The FBI also spent considerable effort to put their agents out at events while dressed like what they thought was proud boys or something again doing the dirty work for the Democrat party. So at this point it is certain that if emails went out under the proud boys name to threaten Democrat voters it was obviously the FBI doing it. Thank you for pointing that out! Time to defund the FBI and start again.

#8.1.1 OneGuy on 2021-12-13 14:05 (Reply)

OneGuy: We now know that the FBI infiltrated the proud boys with the intent of creating false flags so they could be negated politically.

The Proud Boys don't need any help to act violently and unlawfully. At least twenty members of the Proud Boys have been indicted for their January 6 activities.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/proud-boys-indicted-capitol-riot/index.html

OneGuy: So at this point it is certain that if emails went out under the proud boys name to threaten Democrat voters it was obviously the FBI doing it.

Probable cause has been shown against Iranian agents.

#8.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 14:36 (Reply)

What playbook?

#8.1.2 DrTorch (Link) on 2021-12-13 14:06 (Reply)

DrTorch: What playbook?

As detailed in the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee's report on 2016 Russian election interference.

#8.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-13 14:12 (Reply)

Deflectamundo, KIddieZ.
Geewhiz, what details?
Was it the hoax about the Russian collusion with Trump?

#8.1.2.1.1 Zachinoff on 2021-12-13 15:36 (Reply)

The Senate Intelligence Committee, led by Warner and Burr were busy leaking classified intelligence data in the FISA warrant to the press through Wolf. Wolf was never charged for leaking, even though they had proof, in order to keep Warner and Burr out of the crossfire. The committee was anti Trump from the start. Best news coverage of this is by
https://conservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/12/12/about-that-yahoo-article-on-ali-watkins-and-james-wolfe/#more-222117

#8.1.2.1.2 indyjonesouthere on 2021-12-13 19:30 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The Senate Intelligence Committee, led by Warner and Burr were busy leaking classified intelligence data in the FISA warrant to the press through Wolf.

That's contradicted by the sentencing memo which indicates Wolf did what he did for personal reasons that had nothing to do with Warner or Burr.

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Wolfe lied to the FBI agents not to further or conceal another crime, but to avoid revealing that he had, or desired to cultivate personal relationships with reporters that involved the exchange of sensitive SSCI information and otherwise conducted himself in a manner that he believed would have caused him to lose his job as security director.

indyjonesouthere: Wolf was never charged for leaking, even though they had proof, in order to keep Warner and Burr out of the crossfire.

Again, that is contradicted by the sentencing memo. While the FBI was concerned about classified leaks, and his lies impeded the investigation into classified leaks, Wolf was only proven to have leaked sensitive, not classified, information.

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While the investigation has not uncovered evidence that Wolfe disclosed classified information . . . By repeatedly lying to the FBI, the defendant directly interfered with an FBI national security investigation into the disclosure of classified information related to a Top Secret FISA application.

You really should avoid relying on secondary sources that misrepresent the underlying facts, or at last view such secondary sources skeptically.

#8.1.2.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-14 09:22 (Reply)

The sentencing memo is a sentencing narrative to keep the two senators from charges. The FBI merely ignores inconvenient information. What narrative will they produce for the disappearing Anthony Weiner laptop or the Biden laptop. When they really try they can overlook anything. Just ask Whitey Bulger or maybe try Ted Stevens or Arthur Anderson company, now bankrupt. Nothing like the FBI/DOJ to alter reality.

#8.1.2.1.2.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-12-14 15:15 (Reply)

Indy: Nothing like the FBI/DOJ to alter reality.

Indeed. Might want to add a Federal Court judges to that.

QUOTE:

Preventing defendants from telling juries exactly what happened on January 6 is the Justice Department’s latest attempt to cover up pervasive police misconduct.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/13/justice-department-moves-to-conceal-police-misconduct-on-january-6/

#8.1.2.1.2.1.1.1 Zachinoff on 2021-12-14 15:47 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The sentencing memo is a sentencing narrative to keep the two senators from charges.

You used the sentencing memo to support your claims, but the sentencing memo contradicts your claims: "the investigation has not uncovered evidence that Wolfe disclosed classified information".

#8.1.2.1.2.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2021-12-14 16:04 (Reply)

The FBI will NEVER find evidence to charge two uniparty senators for leaking classified information. If you doubt that do bring up FBI evidence from Weiners laptop. Or the FBI/DOJ evidence that Ted Stevens or Arthur Anderson were denied justice until the admin state was exposed for withholding evidence. The FBI/DOJ do this all the time, it's their m.o.

#8.1.2.1.2.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-12-14 17:54 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The FBI will NEVER find evidence to charge two uniparty senators for leaking classified information.

You said to look at the link! So we did. We were skeptical and looked at the primary source. Guess what. Your secondary source was misrepresenting the content of the sentencing memo.

Instead of adjusting your understanding based on this evidence, you merely repeat your claim without support.

#8.1.2.1.2.1.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-15 10:11 (Reply)

By allowing illegals and non-citizens to vote, NYC has surrendered to the invaders Not good

#9 Peter (Link) on 2021-12-13 14:10 (Reply)

This looks like an over reach of their actual power https://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2021/12/fda-accused-of-colluding-with-usps-to.html it seems strange to me that we have come to this.

#10 JustMe on 2021-12-13 14:59 (Reply)

Sometime before Jan 1st the fed will as quietly as possible raise interest rates. It is likely that in the next two months the stock market will decline precipitously, maybe a full crash but more likely the Fed will step in with uncertain results. Within a year the three bubbles (stock market, dollar value and housing) will burst. China will invade Tiawan and Russia will invade Ukraine. Biden will stop all appearances where the press is present to avoid being asked questions he doesn't know the answer to. 2022 will be worse than 2021.

#11 JustMe on 2021-12-13 16:06 (Reply)

Luxury beliefs: the author lumps doubt (remember doubt?) about loss of learning with being anti-testing and wokism in general. "It's all just the same! Somehow...because...I don't like them! And if you love one you must love the others because...I think those are liberal attitudes, because...because I'm not a liberal and I don't like them!"

Spare me. Come with better evidence. And I don't mean the common temporary effects that always show up under disruption, which somehow disappear in a year or two. I don't recommend children be subjected to warfare, but it should be noted that even in those extreme circumstances most children end up about where they would have otherwise. A slight diminution.

I will agree that the poorest children are likely the most affected, and that should be a strong factor considered in school reopenings. Yet even there, not much. the effect on the suburban children is mostly parents blaming their children's lack of progress on covid closings. But those parents find something external to blame for their princes' and princesses' problems every year anyway. This is just the Flavor of the Month.

I went to bad schools that did dumb stuff in the 60's. My sucesses and failures are my own, not theirs.

#12 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-12-13 16:48 (Reply)

Well... Look at this https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/ hmmmm.

#12.1 SomebodyStopMe on 2021-12-14 21:51 (Reply)

I looked at it. It's psychotically paranoid and you need to read anything else. I say this as a person who made his living at an acute psychiatric facility for decades and know psychosis when I see it. The reasoning is not merely wrong, but disturbed.

You won't listen. You know better, because feelings.

#12.1.1 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-12-15 15:15 (Reply)

Shrimp is best barely cooked, just long enough to lose its transparency. We drop it into the sauce or liquid at the last possible second before serving.

#13 Texan99 on 2021-12-14 00:49 (Reply)

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