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The posted stats do not appear to support the headline claim of the post. In terms of new cases, FL is second only to MS in having the HIGHEST number of new cases, and in terms of deaths is number 1. What is going on here?

#2 blcjr (Link) on 2021-11-29 11:17 (Reply)

blcjr: The posted stats do not appear to support the headline claim of the post.

It's the difference in period under consideration. Florida has very low case numbers today, but only after having allowed the virus to run amok through the population over the last few months. By any reasonable valuation, Florida had a much worse result during the Delta surge than most other states.

#2.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-29 11:36 (Reply)

Kiddiez:... after having allowed the virus to run amok through the population ...

ALLOWED???

That is beyond stupid.
Seriously, fuck off, KiddieZ.

#2.1.1 Zachinoff on 2021-11-29 12:46 (Reply)

Z: ...after having allowed the virus to run amok through the population over the last few months...

What was Florida supposed to do so that the virus wouldn't "run amok?"

Would you say that Sweden has allowed the virus to "run amok" since they didn't mandate any masks or social distancing yet their case rate remains low while Norway and Finland case rates are rising. In addition, Sweden's deaths remain lower than either Norway or Finland even though Sweden has twice the population of either Norway or Finland.

Has Biden been allowing all the Wuhan flu deaths since January?

#2.1.2 mudbug on 2021-11-29 13:42 (Reply)

mudbug: What was Florida supposed to do so that the virus wouldn't "run amok?"

Policies to encourage social distancing, masks, and vaccinations would have served to reduce the spread.

mudbug: Sweden's deaths remain lower than either Norway or Finland even though Sweden has twice the population of either Norway or Finland.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but now that you have the facts, does it cause you to question your preconceptions?

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mudbug: What was Florida supposed to do so that the virus wouldn't "run amok?"

Policies to encourage social distancing, masks, and vaccinations would have served to reduce the spread.

mudbug: Sweden's deaths remain lower than either Norway or Finland even though Sweden has twice the population of either Norway or Finland.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but now that you have the facts, does it cause you to question your preconceptions?

#2.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-29 14:25 (Reply)

There is no science behind social distancing and the 6 foot distance is totally arbitrary. The only masks that are effective at all are N95 masks and most places only require a cloth mask which is useless. I defy you show me when a mask mandate was initiated by looking at a graph of infections.

Vaccines have not been shown to be effective at stopping infection or spreading Wuhan flu.

My information about Finland, Norway, and Sweden is from worldometer. I'm taking the recent trends of cases and deaths, not the total.

#2.1.2.1.1 mudbug on 2021-11-29 15:14 (Reply)

mudbug: There is no science behind social distancing and the 6 foot distance is totally arbitrary.

There is no sudden dropoff in droplets in suspension. Increasing physical distance is associated with decreasing risk, and risk is significantly reduced at 6 feet. Keeping at a greater distance or avoiding contact generally is even more effective. See review article, Qureshi et al., What is the evidence to support the 2-metre social distancing rule to reduce COVID-19 transmission?, The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine 2020.

mudbug: The only masks that are effective at all are N95 masks and most places only require a cloth mask which is useless.

Masks reduce the spread of aerosols. In normal situations, the reduction is sufficient to keep viral load below the level necessary for infection. See Cheng et al., Face masks effectively limit the probability of SARS-CoV-2 transmission, Science 2021.

mudbug: Vaccines have not been shown to be effective at stopping infection or spreading Wuhan flu.

Risk of infection is significantly reduced by vaccination.
http://zachriel.com/blog/Vermont-VaxUnvax.png

mudbug: My information about Finland, Norway, and Sweden is from worldometer.

But you are claiming that Sweden has done a better job, when that is clearly not the case.
http://zachriel.com/blog/COVID-SwedenNorway.png

#2.1.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-29 15:37 (Reply)

How do you allow the virus to run amok?

Those states who mandated the masks had equal to worse outcomes.
Those states that locked down businesses had equal to worse outcomes.
Those states with higher rates of vaccinations had equal to worse outcomes.

So how do you stop the "amok"???

No one knows. Literally no one knows! all the mandates and vaccinations are to make it look like they are doing something. But why? They know the masks don't work, proof is they only wear them on camera. They know the lockdowns don't work, we proved that after bankrupting about 4 million small businesses.
And now, if you actually look at the data, we know the vaccines don't work.

So how do we un-amok this virus???

#2.1.3 OneGuy on 2021-11-29 20:49 (Reply)

OneGuy: Those states with higher rates of vaccinations had equal to worse outcomes.

Vermont, cases vaccinated vs unvaccinated
http://zachriel.com/blog/Vermont-VaxUnvax.png

States, cases over time
http://zachriel.com/blog/FloridaCOVIDcases.png

#2.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-30 09:55 (Reply)

The headline says that Florida HAS the lowest COVID-19 case rate in the U.S., and if you follow the link given you see reported a daily average of 6 new cases per 100,000 last week. New York on the other hand reported 34 new cases per 100,000.

The Zachbot sees something that opposes its preferred narrative and promptly spews numbers (I note that no URL reference is given) intended counter the message in the FoxNews article.

The Zachbot would have you infer that the FoxNews article is wrong when in fact it provides no information to suggest that current case rates have Florida as the lowest. The Zachbot cites Delta surge numbers to counter the suggestion that the New York governor managed COVID-19 poorly but does not acknowledge the total deaths in New York since the onset of the disease. Seeing as Cuomo resigned in early August, it is rich to cite numbers including ensuing four months as a some sort of innoculative.

#2.2 Earle Williams on 2021-11-29 11:50 (Reply)

Earle Williams: you infer that the FoxNews article is wrong when in fact it provides no information to suggest that current case rates have Florida as the lowest.

Z: Florida has very low case numbers today

However, you can't paint that as some sort of success after months of very high case and death rates.

#2.2.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-29 11:59 (Reply)

zachriel is lying again, and you're playing his straight man.

That's what is going on.

#2.3 DrTorch (Link) on 2021-11-29 12:09 (Reply)

Looks like the KiddieZ want to hijack the comment section again with their special kind of nonsense.

#2.3.1 Zachinoff on 2021-11-29 15:04 (Reply)

Yes, all insults all the time for him, yet no one refutes his data. Again, he has it right. For the period in question, Florida has the lowest case rate. That's a good thing. It is recent, and thus far, brief. Maybe it will continue. That has not consistently been the case, however, and they have the 9th highest death-per-million rate in the country overall for the duration of the disease. Those are dead people. They should count for something even if they didn't die this week.

To the question "Well what do you think they could have done to change that?" sneering that there must have been nothing, I would simply note that as different states have had different rates of death, we can call it reasonable that human actions, and state actions have some effect. From there we might wonder what those are. Invoking Sweden is a loser idea. It does now have a low rate, and that's a good thing. But its major comps are Norway, Denmark, and Finland, right? And those have an equally low rate without one-tenth the overall death beforehand.

Reasoning is really hard for you guys. Spewing bile, not so much. If you don't like it, step up your game and answer point by point. I've been following this consistently. You consistently can't ante up. So don't help any kids with their homework, okay?

#2.3.2 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-11-29 20:21 (Reply)

Refuting the data...cycle threshold for a pcr test is at 40 cycles when it should be somewhere in the area of 20-25. That gives majority false positives for the tests which is what the admin government wants as it adds to the "emergency" status and the government pays bonus money to those that participate in the scheme. The "positive" numbers in the statistics are useless numbers with all the false positives.
Then to add stupidity to the numbers they change the definition of "cause of death" to mean you died of covid if you had a positive pcr test. And what a deal...you now collect bonus money for sticking them on remdesivir and ventilators.
The government admin state is buying the outcome they need in order to continue the money charade. If you don't follow the admin state protocol you get NO money.
You want to see how greedy hospital management is then just follow up on a nurse's article about the operation at a Cleveland Clinic facility.
Money, power, control...rinse and repeat.

#2.3.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-11-29 20:43 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Then to add stupidity to the numbers they change the definition of "cause of death" to mean you died of covid if you had a positive pcr test.

Statistics of excess deaths supports the COVID death count, across different countries, states, or time periods.
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/dataviz8737/viz/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_11242021/WeeklyExcessDeaths

#2.3.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-30 09:50 (Reply)

What do the autopsy's say?

#2.3.2.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-11-30 14:01 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: What do the autopsy's say?

Statistics of excess deaths do not rely on determination of cause of death. That's rather the point. It's an independent measure. Are you suggesting something else is causing hundreds of thousands of excess deaths that just happen to rise and fall with waves of COVID infection?

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/dataviz8737/viz/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_11242021/WeeklyExcessDeaths

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-30 16:32 (Reply)

You don't really want facts, you want a narrative. The admin state is spending millions to promote the vaxx but are scared to death to fund the autopsies of the dead, especially of the VAERS reports. If there are actual excess deaths then what is the cause. You are assuming a cause and effect but neither you nor the admin state really want to know or you would fund the autopsies.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-11-30 16:46 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: You don't really want facts, you want a narrative.

We provided you facts, which you then ignored.

indyjonesouthere: If there are actual excess deaths then what is the cause.

The vast majority are due to COVID-19, which is obvious when you look at the data. As cases rise, deaths soon follow. Here it is again:

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/dataviz8737/viz/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_11242021/WeeklyExcessDeaths

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-30 16:57 (Reply)

Calling excess deaths covid deaths is not a fact...an autopsy would be a fact. And they have the money to do it so they should do it. With no autopsy there is no way to attribute the deaths to covid. Those are facts...yours are narratives.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-11-30 17:46 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Calling excess deaths covid deaths is not a fact...an autopsy would be a fact.

The vast majority of cases aren't close calls. They died of respiratory failure after infection with SARS-CoV-2. Nor have you explained why the excess death pattern closely follows the COVID death count and the waves of infection.

In any case, you act as if no one performs autopsies on COVID victims, but that is simply not the case. Medical professionals are very interested in understanding exactly how COVID attacks the body in order to devise better treatments. For instance, see:

Delorey et al., COVID-19 tissue atlases reveal SARS-CoV-2 pathology and cellular targets, Nature 2021.
"Single-cell analysis of autopsy samples from COVID-19 patients shows how the lungs repeatedly tried, and failed, to repair themselves."
D’Agnillo et al., Lung epithelial and endothelial damage, loss of tissue repair, inhibition of fibrinolysis, and cellular senescence in fatal COVID-19, Science Translational Medicine 2021;
Hirschbühl et al., Viral mapping in COVID-19 deceased in the Augsburg autopsy series of the first wave: A multiorgan and multimethodological approach, PLOS One 2021;

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-30 18:22 (Reply)

Every hospital that reports a covid death needs to do an autopsy to determine the actual cause of death. Was it covid, the flu, another respiratory disease such as copd, or something not even associated with covid or perhaps death by vaxx.
And once again cycle thresholds...40 cycles is bogus and that is the FDA requirement and not even Fauci agrees with that number. Covid cases have no legitimate numbers because of the cycle problem. And why a lower cycle threshold for the vaxxed pcr tests? And then to change definitions of cause of death to lay big numbers to covid should be a jailable offense for those in the admin state. Even changing the definition of vaccine is laughable...they fear calling it a gene therapy which it is. Fauci even needed a definition change so as to escape the weopenizing of the virus. Covid is a disease of the government administrative state...they need the disease just as they needed russia,russia,russia and just as they need AGW.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-11-30 18:44 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Was it covid, the flu, another respiratory disease such as copd, or something not even associated with covid or perhaps death by vaxx.

COPD can't explain excess deaths. Tests for influenza show there was virtually no influenza last season. Vaccination can't explain the excess deaths before the vaccine was available.

We've provided multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that COVID has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths—just in the U.S.

The COVID count made by those responsible for determining cause of death, in many different jurisdictions, the U.S., individual states, and other countries.
Statistics of excess deaths, again for the U.S., individual states, and other countries.
Independent studies of death certificates.
Autopsy results showing the course of the disease.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-12-01 09:28 (Reply)

A study of death certificates supports the COVID death count. See Grippo et al., The Role of COVID-19 in the Death of SARS-CoV-2-Positive Patients: A Study Based on Death Certificates, Journal of Clinical Medicine 2020.

Or you could just check the hospitals and morgues during outbreaks.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2021-11-30 17:46 (Reply)

With bogus pcr test cycles and redefinition of cause of death the numbers are only useful for a narrative which is what the admin state promotes...along with bonuses to promote there use.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-11-30 18:55 (Reply)

Indy,
Funny how the KiddieZ shy away from the pertinent questions you've thrown at them (i.e. changing the PCR threshold from 40 to 25 and the definition change for cause of death).

Good stuff.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Zachinoff on 2021-11-30 23:37 (Reply)

Another little tidbit.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2 Zachinoff on 2021-12-01 00:09 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: With bogus pcr test cycles

There is a way to double-check the PCR tests, by whole genome sequencing. It turns out that whole genome sequencing not only confirms the reliability of the PCR test, but also shows the evolution of the virus as it moves through the world's population.

Oh, those crazy scientists. What will they come up with next?!

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.3 Zachriel on 2021-12-01 09:39 (Reply)

Another deflection.
Thanks, KiddieZ.

#2.3.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.3.1 Zachinoff on 2021-12-01 12:05 (Reply)

QUOTE:

AVI: Reasoning is really hard for you guys.

Thanks, looking forward to some of your reasoning instead of your cheerleading for the troll.

How does a state "allow" a virus to run "amok"?

#2.3.2.2 Zachinoff on 2021-11-30 10:32 (Reply)

QUOTE:

AVI: I've been following this consistently. You consistently can't ante up. So don't help any kids with their homework, okay?

By the way, this is the last time I'll do "your" homework, kid.

How Trends Have Changed in Vermont

How Trends Have Changed in Florida

#2.3.2.3 Zachinoff on 2021-11-30 14:00 (Reply)

Oops! This is the last time. Maybe.

Trend Changes in Vermont

#2.3.2.3.1 Zachinoff on 2021-11-30 14:06 (Reply)

The Cynical and Dangerous Weaponization of the "White Supremacist" Label: It might just convince the white people that they SHOULD become "supremacists...

NY Times Asks: Why Do Blue States Suck? Since the NYT is at the hub of the Blue states, it ought to KNOW by now...

Andrew Cuomo’s Downfall Began with a Book Deal: And it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy...and we all know by now that "nice", Cuomo ain't!

#3 Sam L. on 2021-11-29 11:59 (Reply)

QUOTE:

CNN Reports Study Questioning Climate Change Models On Thanksgiving Day When Few Are Following News

The study was published on 11/24/2021. The CNN story was published hours later, early on 11/25/2021.

QUOTE:

A new report proves that the climate models are wrong

"All models are wrong, but some are useful." — George E. P. Box

More specifically, while anthropogenic global warming is strongly supported, the details of how heat is distributed through the climate system is still largely obscure.

#4 Zachriel on 2021-11-29 14:27 (Reply)

but some are useful...for government funding of course.

#4.1 indyjonesouthere on 2021-11-29 18:21 (Reply)

Rex Murphy is almost the only good reason for reading a Canadian newspaper these days.

Vivat Rex!

#5 JJM on 2021-11-29 14:37 (Reply)

Someone Unearthed A 1997 Wired Article Predicting '10 Things That Could Go Wrong In The 21st Century'

– Tensions between China and the US escalate into a new Cold War — bordering on a hot one.

– New technologies turn out to be a bust. They simply don't bring the expected productivity increases or the big economic boosts,

– Russia devolves into a kleptocracy run by a mafia or retreats into quasi-communist nationalism that threatens Europe.

– Europe's integration process grinds to a halt. Eastern and Western Europe can't finesse a reunification, and even the European Unification process breaks down.

– Major ecological crisis causes a global climate change that, among other things, disrupts the food supply - causing big price increases everywhere and sporadic famines.

– Major rise in crime and terrorism forces the world to pull back in fear. People who constantly feel they could be blown up or ripped off are not in the mood to reach out and open up.

– The cumulative escalation in pollution causes a dramatic increase in cancer, which overwhelms the ill-prepared health system.

– Energy prices go through the roof. Convulsions in the Middle East disrupt the oil supply, and alternative energy sources fail to materialize.

– An uncontrollable plague - a modern-day influenza epidemic or its equivalent takes off like wildfire, killing upward of 200 million people.

– A social and cultural backlash stops progress dead in its tracks, human beings need to choose to move forward. They just may not...

https://digg.com/2021/wired-article-future-predictions-came-true

#6 feeblemind on 2021-11-29 14:51 (Reply)

They left out Joe Biden/Obama3.

#6.1 Louie Miller on 2021-11-30 00:32 (Reply)

Louis Miller: They left out Joe Biden/Obama3.

That could be seen as more symptomatic, sort of like the breather of Claudius between Caligula and Nero.

#6.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-11-30 10:14 (Reply)

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