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Tuesday, November 16. 2021

Tuesday morning links

This Is the ONLY Time You Should Wash a Turkey


 Longest Lunar Eclipse in Centuries this Week


 China is destroying the world’s fishing ecosystem


MC:  Be Thankful That COP26 Has Ended


Kimball:  Thinking Critically About ‘Critical Thinking’  - Reason allows us to distinguish between appearance and reality; but our reality turns out to be rooted firmly in the realm of appearance.


 Ethnic Studies Requirements Erase the Past


 'It's a Trojan horse for CRT': Now furious parents push back against Social Emotional Learning (SEL) being taught in schools, claiming its promotion of 'diversity' is more evidence of government indoctrination


 Pandemic first graders are way behind in reading


 Alan Dershowitz: Kyle Rittenhouse Should Be Acquitted, Sue Media Outlets


 A MENACE IN THE COURTROOM


Amazing he would do that 


 Jennifer Rubin, of the WaPo and MSNBC, calls on media to stop treating Republicans as ‘normal’


 Biden’s Banking Chief Nominee Wants to Eliminate Your Private Bank Account


 More on how the public feels about those massive payments to illegal aliens


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The first link: fear porn.

The first sentence of the linked article: "According to a study by the food safety experts at the USDA, washing or rinsing raw turkey can put you at risk of foodborne illness."

Anything that starts with "according to a study" is pure unadulterated bullshit.

I've been washing turkeys in my kitchen for over 30 years and have never had an illness complaint from one of my Thanksgiving dinners. Hangover complaints, sure. Illness complaints, never.
#1 Mike (Link) on 2021-11-16 08:56 (Reply)
I practice kitchen food safety by hosing my meat down in the driveway.
#1.1 Aggie on 2021-11-16 09:27 (Reply)
Nah, Too easy
#1.1.1 Dennis on 2021-11-16 09:55 (Reply)
I hope for your sake you're hosing it down with a flame-thrower. I eliminate any threat of bacteria from my turkey by putting it in a copper smelter and raising the temperature to 1200 degrees for a minimum of 24 hours.
#1.1.2 Jerryskids on 2021-11-16 10:36 (Reply)
Been hearing these kinds of warnings for, what, 60 years now? Know they are "true," yet have never met someone made ill by washing/mis-handling turkey or chicken. So, I'll go with mostly fear porn.
#1.2 frankns on 2021-11-16 10:09 (Reply)
Whenever I try washing a turkey it pecks me and runs away.
#1.2.1 BD on 2021-11-16 10:13 (Reply)
Amen on the fear porn. Whatever happened to simply "washing your hands and work surfaces before and after handling poultry?"

My wife's not a big fan of salty turkey, so I "brine" mine overnight in cheap beer--hosing it down in the driveway is optional. Then it's into the smoker for some of juiciest smoked turkey ever (cooked to 160°, so Death to Salmonella!).

Only a Slow Pony cooks turkey in the oven--you gotta leave the oven free for fresh dinner rolls and your favorite casserole!
#1.3 Michael Anderson (Link) on 2021-11-16 10:16 (Reply)
I’ve not tried brining turkey in beer, but I brine and cook turkey in the Big Green Egg. Most delicious. I have a wire rack that keeps the turkey vertical. I stuff the inside with fruit and onions and beer in the drip pan.
#1.3.1 B. Hammer on 2021-11-16 10:40 (Reply)
Yes, another change in standard practice.

I find this funny since my office mates were divided on this re: chicken.

I'm not going to balk at anything that says "according to a study" but I am going to balk on something that has a history of improving safety somehow being changed b/c of a "recent study."

And I am concerned when I see this being pushed in the media as an obvious agenda for someone. No matter which side you come down on, the chance of infection is low (but the infection can be severe), so why is this a high priority issue?

My belief is any time you see such an overreaction, it is highly suspicious.
#1.4 DrTorch (Link) on 2021-11-16 10:32 (Reply)
The experience of one person, even repeated thirty times, and reported only by his memory and impression, is even worse science than what you decry. It's anecdata.
#1.5 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-11-16 19:25 (Reply)
Way too much bloviating about critical thinking. I teach my students to ask 4 simple CT questions:
  • what's the catch?
  • qui bono?
  • sez who?
  • where's the evidence?
Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
#2 Michael Anderson (Link) on 2021-11-16 10:24 (Reply)
I worked on a turkey farm , and they didn't like being washed.
#3 Sam L. on 2021-11-16 10:46 (Reply)
I would like to recommend to you a recent post on the No Pasaran blog, a rather long piece loaded with links on all the troubles in the world. If you start following some of the links, you've got a week's worth of ideas to chew over.

The piece I've been chewing over recently is the idea that all news is fake news in that there are really only a handful of news sources and everybody else just repeats what everybody else is saying without realizing that everybody else is just repeating what everybody else is saying. When you realize that the 3 largest news agencies - AP, Reuters, and AFP - account for about 70% of all the news you're getting and that the 4th and 5th largest news agencies in the world are the Pentagon and the CIA, you realize it's not news, it's propaganda.
#4 Jerryskids on 2021-11-16 11:00 (Reply)
Re: Chinese fishing practices. It would seem that if there is ever a war with China, the first target should be the Chinese fishing fleet.
#5 RebeccaH on 2021-11-16 12:07 (Reply)
Washing poultry...

You should always rinse poultry thoroughly before cooking and eating it. With cold water, not your tongue.

This is because they spray it down with bleach water back at the processing plant. They conveniently forget that part when they want to scare you about the germs.
#6 Churchmouse on 2021-11-16 12:38 (Reply)
Dang! It's a good thing I toss that brining beer after my turkey gets dechlorinated. I wuz thinkin' of sneaking it into the punch.
#6.1 Michael Anderson (Link) on 2021-11-16 21:36 (Reply)
Was the "Don't wash your turkey" study done by the same USDA that caused the obesity epidemic with their Food Pyramid?
#7 snopercod on 2021-11-16 15:31 (Reply)
The destruction of the oceans by the Chinese is a much more mortal threat to the world than climate change could ever be. And I guess I'm not 'long game' enough, as I can't understand how destroying a major source of your food supply is anything but short sighted, what's the game plan when the ocean is desert, so to speak. Soylent Green.
#8 XRay on 2021-11-16 18:40 (Reply)

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