Republican senators who refuse to certify Biden’s victory are inflaming doubts they helped kindle.

Concede quietly or "lose" this election and you will never have another chance at a free, representative vote. You will forever live in Chicago.

Farewell to all who fly the white flag. Nuts.

#1 frankns on 2021-01-05 14:08 (Reply)

I agree. Never give up, never surrender!
Tim Allen is never wrong.

#1.1 Joey Miller on 2021-01-05 19:09 (Reply)

by Jim in the UK but apt
January 3, 2021 at 6:12 pm
“But our problem over the last 40 years, is we’ve been alternating between one or other of two utterly insane political parties.”

I can think of one government in that period that qualified as relatively sane.

The problem is now that it doesn’t matter who we vote for. The people who actually run the country (ie all those civil servants who manage things, the media types who create the political ‘narrative’, the educationalists who control ‘the science’ etc etc) are all in place forever. They don’t change if the party rosette in No 10 changes. Even if one gets the sack for something particularly egregious we get an identikit replacement. Even if we all voted for a ‘far right’ party (as any vaguely sane party would undoubtedly be painted by the usual suspects ad nauseam) and they gained power there is nothing they could do. They would be constrained on all sides by lawfare, the total opposition of all those tasked with implementing their new policies and the media of course. Think Donald Trump’s 4 years in ‘power’ on steroids.

#1.2 fromSamizdatablog on 2021-01-06 07:32 (Reply)

So, you agree with Ponnuru who is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist, a senior editor at National Review, a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and contributor to CBS News.

(Can someone find my eyes? I think they rolled out and under the sofa.)

#2 Dr. Jay on 2021-01-05 14:09 (Reply)

Ponnuru was a NeverTrumper, was he not? A traitor, like Cruise Ship Bill Kristol.

NeverTrumpers were always Democrats in hiding, and New Republic died when they published that article.

#2.1 Kenneth C Mitchell on 2021-01-05 20:48 (Reply)

Back for more punishment, NJ?

#3 snopercod on 2021-01-05 14:15 (Reply)

I agree, Junkie. Honest elections are so over-rated.

#4 mudbug on 2021-01-05 14:20 (Reply)

Trump never got anywhere by being graceful and speaking the way you and all the other gentlemanly conservatives want him to speak. Why would he start now?

History will judge him regardless of how he behaves at the end of his term.

#5 steve walsh on 2021-01-05 14:20 (Reply)

History's written by those who 'win' - so the election will be judged by history as totally and wonderfully honest and Trump would be a meanie because he was a bad man.

FFS. Love the gaslight much?

#6 Jlawson on 2021-01-05 14:55 (Reply)

So far all five comments negative, but you are entirely correct. Senator Tom Cotton - that horrible liberal, anti-Trump Tom Cotton - expressed it well. So did Ann Coulter, another noted radical leftist. And many other conservatives, frankly.

The evidence that the election was any more crooked than the usual Democrat urban machine nonsense, designed to rig their local elections in favor of one Democrat over another and pressed into service every four years to hopeful move a state 1-2% toward Democrats in general, is piss-poor. It is rumors, and when people are pressed into getting out of their bubble and prove it the claims suddenly prove elusive. "But what about the Martians that landed in Wisconsin? What about the ferrets who were allowed to vote in Georgia? No one has explained that to my satisfaction yet." If Trump ever had a case on any of these things he threw them away by not being prepared. There actually are explanations, by conservatives, of the supposed irregularities. There just are, but people don't care and Maggie's has become insane. I'm not asking you to believe the Washington Post or CNN or the New Yorker. Read other conservatives who disagree with you.

Trump keeps losing court case after court case on this, including in front of judges who he appointed.

There was a fascinating article in Slate Star Codex in 2014 (the spam filter kicks out links but you can find it by searching under toxoplasma) about supporters going deeper into the foxhole and sticking with you even when you are flat wrong in order to demonstrate that they are True Believers and the others all frauds, and I have written about "foxhole friends" myself. Anyone can stick by you when you are right. The Real Conservatives will stick with Trump even when he is wrong, because...something...I forget what.

I also thought at least a few of these accusations would prove out, maybe even flip a close state back to Trump, but that has not happened. And it is not because it's all a conspiracy or a refusal of Americans to admit that they now live under some tyrannical regime (let my Romanian children tell you about real tyrannical regimes) but because the evidence wasn't that good. Sorry that reality doesn't fit your myth.

#7 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-01-05 14:58 (Reply)

Again you talk a lot even when when what you say is not true.

There is ample evidence that the cheating was significant, and widespread. It is not "piss poor." Your willful ignorance doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist.

It is not time to concede. It is already a dangerous world. Concession will make that far worse.

#7.1 DrTorch (Link) on 2021-01-05 16:08 (Reply)

Just so you know, I don't care what Ann Coulter, Tom Cotton, or anybody else says. I'm an independent minded person and can make up my own mind, thank you very much. But I did find it ironic that, later in your post you say:

QUOTE:

...The Real Conservatives will stick with Trump even when he is wrong, because...something...I forget what.

I guess the real conservative should stick by Ann Coulter and Tom Cotton when they are wrong... We're supposed to blindly believe the explanations by conservatives of the supposed irregularities. Why? Well, I guess because you consider them to be conservative??

You like to bring up all the court cases the Trump side has lost. Care to tell us how many of them went to trial? Previously, you pointed me to articles by Andy McCarthy. That was very instructive. He goes on about all sorts of procedural reasons the cases were thrown out. One wasn't signed by the "right" person! Well, that settles it for me! If the "right" person doesn't sign a form then there can't be substantial fraud! I mean, why look further?

Do you know why the count was stopped in several of the contested states? Do you know who ordered it stopped in each state? Do you know why the count was stopped in all those states at roughly the same time? I dare say, you can't answer any of those questions and that tells me that something that had never been done before for a reason nobody knows doesn't matter to you. So what does matter to you? Does it matter that the election followed the rules set out by the US Constitution? Does it matter that the elections in each state followed the rules of their state laws? I see no evidence that it does.

The reality is that Trump is not on trial and in a certain way, the Democrats are not on trial. What is on trial is our ability to run an honest election and that deserves scrutiny EVERY TIME. Everybody should welcome that. If you let a "little" vote fraud go, pretty soon, you end up with cities like Chicago, Seattle, Detroit, Philadelphia. That's worked out really well!

Whether you think there was fraud or not, you should welcome scrutiny into how the election was executed. You should want to know that the chain of custody of the ballots was consistent and transparent, that there were observers from all parties watching the processing and count of all ballots, that there was no outside interference, that the entire process from start to finish, including any challenges, were handled openly and transparently in front of representatives of all parties.

But you're not. You're happy to eat whatever sandwich is handed to you. You don't even lift the bread to see what you're eating. Enjoy your meal. I think you'll find that it is loaded with calories and little nutrition.

#7.2 mudbug on 2021-01-05 16:18 (Reply)

I don’t need to talk to your Romanian children, though I would welcome the conversation, to know what tyranny is, or looks like. I’ve read world history my entire life. Wasn’t it great that they had a free country to escape to? Where will we escape to?

When a man lives free his entire life, and see’s incremental strangleholds put on his liberties throughout his life, most in the name of safety, you don’t require genius level IQ to see what is going on. You have to be willfully blind.

I’ve also watched National Review conservatives, not conserve a thing. I personally hold them responsible for John Roberts. I’ve watched for years as conservatives, such as Tom Cotton, play lip service to conservative principals while campaigning, and quickly cede everything to the democrats. They don’t fight because of my dignity. My principals. I don’t want the media to say mean things about me.

People like you and the News Junkie would have surrendered after Bunker Hill, after Bull Run, after Pearl Harbor. I don’t want you in my foxhole. I need someone willing to fight. There are no more hills to run to.

#7.3 B. Hammer on 2021-01-05 17:26 (Reply)

As much as I loath the "like" option on most comment sections I would gladly "like" your comment one time each for every time for every life story i have read of someone smothered by tyrannical governments.

A thousand "likes."

#7.3.1 Jpac (Link) on 2021-01-06 09:20 (Reply)

"I don’t need to talk to your Romanian children, though I would welcome the conversation, to know what tyranny is, or looks like. I’ve read world history my entire life. Wasn’t it great that they had a free country to escape to? Where will we escape to?"

This^

#7.3.2 Exasperated on 2021-01-06 09:55 (Reply)

There is not just evidence, but overt actions taken by election boards in multiple states that have defied state laws and constitutions. There are many judges who have failed to do their duty by refusing to even listen to arguments, before and after the election. Further, all actions taken by the president have been legal and civil, and backed by historical precedents. Further still, there were over 60 legal cases filed by Biden and his allies prior to the election concerning the election process. Why are his justified, but Trump's are not?

Ann Coulter is a book hustler and professional troll. I don't see why you would appeal to her opinions. Mark Levin is one of the most significant conservative thinkers in our history and an equal to the framers in terms of intellect and historical knowledge. He's laid out the arguments multiple times and can explain much better than I, so I recommend listening to him if you want a professional opinion.

Regardless of who is elected, it's important to follow through with investigations of fraud and manipulation of the election process. There is no doubt that injustices were committed.

To News Junkie, I'm sorry, but if the link won't display because I'm in private mode or it's behind a paywall, then I can't read it.

#7.4 Jack Walter on 2021-01-05 19:01 (Reply)

AVI, Which court truly heard the case or were exposed to the evidence. None that I can recall. I only remember dismissals due to lack of standing, timing, etc.

#7.5 Louie Miller on 2021-01-05 19:18 (Reply)

AVI ... for reference you might want to watch this: https://youtu.be/b7alXph3Jf8

It predates the current madness. It demonstrates that we have put poorly protected tools and devices in the hands of loosely moral and not terribly upright people.

I want to 'trust' the system and I want to believe most of the commentators to this post have just bought a tinfoil hat franchise. But I'm afraid I can't convince myself. I find myself slipping into the quick sand of statistical impossibility.

And now I watch this thing going on in Georgia where, if you added up the reddish heus of the November ballot, you CANNOT get the blue outcome you are watching unfold tonight.

The game is afoot and denial ain't a river in Egypt.

#7.6 Nat Brooks on 2021-01-05 23:48 (Reply)

AVI: You don't appear to understand that one of the purposes of the law suits was to compel discovery of the evidence; evidence that is in the hands of the election officials; evidence that is normally available.
The last I looked there were dozens of election challenging lawsuits; Team Trump was responsible for only a small subset of them. Lin Wood went rogue but it was his fantastical crankpot rants and claims that went viral and were conflated with the sober and serious challenges.

#7.7 Exasperated on 2021-01-06 07:51 (Reply)

You clearly don’t work with data. No offense.

#7.8 Sage on 2021-01-06 10:57 (Reply)

He will fight. That is why we back him.

#8 Judith miley on 2021-01-05 14:59 (Reply)

Destroy the system or preserve and work it through next time?

It's a terrible dilemma. Methinks Trump has sided with Solomon on this one. And, as distasteful as this is to my "conservative" instincts, I think we are also frightfully close to losing the republic.

Perhaps hanging the sword will bring forth the truth? Perhaps it won't. But I think we need to find the truth, either way.

If we "conserve" then we have to commit to standing up to fight a million little battles, from stopping race reeducation to ending the COVID rubbish, from kneecapping the Silicon Giants to dismantling the education establishment, from hobbling the Greeniacs to restoring federalism. It is many years of misery and struggle ahead.

If we let the sword fall, then we have to bring shovels to rebuild and helping hands to heal. The Left, no matter how beaten or wounded, never goes quietly. So this too will be a very long struggle.

All this to say, gird for battle come what may!

#9 Nat Brooks on 2021-01-05 15:52 (Reply)

There won't be a "next time". If Biden "wins" and is then ousted by Commie Harris, then the US of A will be toast, and it will take a new "hot" civil war to resolve the issue.

This is the hill we have to hold - because there aren't any other hills behind us. We win here or we die here.

#9.1 Kenneth C Mitchell on 2021-01-05 20:55 (Reply)

I agree with frankns

#10 rick9911 on 2021-01-05 16:15 (Reply)

Here's an analogy that I think is useful. If you are CEO or CFO of a publicly-traded company, you are required under Sarbanes-Oxley to personally certify the company's financial reports.

If you were running a large, complex, and geographically-diverse company, and the financials had been prepared and consolidated in a manner similar to the way this election was conducted...would you sign those results?

Or would you accept the shareholder and SEC embarrassment of delaying the report to ensure its accuracy?

#11 David Foster (Link) on 2021-01-05 16:38 (Reply)

Let's throw in the towel on the 2024 election right now and beat the rush.

Contesting a fraudulent election is so uncivilized.

#12 feeblemind on 2021-01-05 16:53 (Reply)

We know battle ground states, (battle ground cities actually), did not follow their own election rules. Most egregiously not allowing republican poll watchers to observe. As a result it should be incumbent on these cities to be transparent and prove that their elections were fair and free. If they can't, then their results should be thrown out.

#13 RIV on 2021-01-05 16:54 (Reply)

Sure. Give it up. We'll find another hill to die on, right?

Except we're all out of hills.

#14 jimg on 2021-01-05 17:12 (Reply)

I respect Senator Cotton. I also respectfully think that he is full of bull on this.

Never mind that the opposition threw a tantrum after the last three Republican victories; so, they have no standing in this as the courts are wont to say when they duck thorny issues.

The fact is that the election was, to put it euphemistically, questionable. Tens of millions of Americans deserve that some attention be paid to that. Whether it is over turned, which I believe it should be, the egregious manner in which lawful procedures were violated, and the multiple allegations of irregularities in vote tallying, should at least be publicly and officially examined by a responsible party (or failing that, the Congress).

#15 Oldflyer on 2021-01-05 17:27 (Reply)

I truly believe that many Americans do not understand what has happened and what the consequences are. The election was stolen!! Not just a little like the Democrats try to steal every election but massively as at least 5 million more Trump votes than Biden votes had to be reversed or negated. No Republic can survive this. We will not survive this.

But it gets worse. This time (maybe not the first time) the Chinese colluded, influenced and aided the steal. This is by every international standard an act of war. China has declared war and has taken the first step to take over our government.

Consequences: There are literally millions of people who recognize what happened and will not accept it. If it is war they want than it is war they will get. In war there are casualties and the first to go should be those in the states and in congress whop have engineered this coup/steal. Not in some grand suicide uprising where each side shoots at the other and the side with the greater resources wins. No! That is what the civil war was and it was a mistake. But rather a individual and anonymous interaction between a patriot and state and local authorities identified as participating in and enabling the steal and to include judges and elected officials at all levels who either participated in it or benefited from it. THAT is, in my opinion, what the consequences of this terrible criminal conspiracy will be. I would not want to be one of the named or filmed vote counters who stole the vote from the American people or one of the mayors and governors who allowed it.

Will these dire consequences come to pass? I do not know and it may be unknowable. It will be triggered I think, as most revolutions and wars are, by some event that people can rally around. My gut tells me that the Democrats are over confident and will commit an egregious act and the response will inevitable. What act? Again I don't know but watch what Mayor Bowser does, watch what the Democrat 'brown shirts' (Antifa and BLM) do. The stupid runs deep in the Democrat party and I think they will trigger a silent majority into bringing hell down on their heads.

On the other hand I could be wrong and we will all learn to speak Chinese and accept our fate at the mass firing squads...

#16 OneGuy on 2021-01-05 17:36 (Reply)

Just let the Democrats cheat and wave the white flag. Nothing like fighting for justice!

#17 Chsgreensburg on 2021-01-05 17:56 (Reply)

Concede? What nonsense! There should NEVER be a peaceful transition of power given the level of election fraud that has been demonstrated. That's a path to never having a fair election again.

#18 ruralcounsel on 2021-01-05 18:05 (Reply)

You are a lib

#19 Jake on 2021-01-05 18:07 (Reply)

Absolutely pathetic. The John McCain of bloggers.

#20 Sid V on 2021-01-05 18:24 (Reply)

It ain't over till it's over or the fat lady sings. When you are in a fight for your life you cannot concede. January 20, 2021 comes soon enough--we will know who the President is, depending on what the meaning of is is. Never surrender.

Antifa is an idea that bleeds. Black Lives Matter Not.

Resistance is not futile, it is imperative. Do not let your sacred Honor be tarnished.

Remember the brave few men that penned these words:

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

#21 Sweet Georgia on 2021-01-05 18:42 (Reply)

NEVER GIVE UP!!!!

#22 Stargazer on 2021-01-05 18:45 (Reply)

I've had a lifetime belly-full of Republicans who think it's wise to be graceful losers, and a lifetime belly-full of the every click of the ratchet as our country moves to the left as a consequence. It moves another few clicks each time Republicans cheerfully decide to be good losers.

They don't do it because it's right - they do it so they can retain their membership at the country club at the expense of what's right.

So, say all you want about there being 'no evidence', or 'poor evidence' or 'Trump's own judges'. The evidence wasn't heard. Every single court case was dismissed without moving to discovery, where the evidence would have been made available under penalty of law, and scrutinized under a microscope. Just as in any other Discovery phase of a lawsuit. And it wasn't the evidence, by the way, that many of these court cases were dismissed. They were dismissed using the argument that the President, who is presenting evidence of unfollowed procedures, 'has no standing'. If the President has 'no standing' in an election contest, I would like to know who does actually have standing. Wouldn't you? The media apparently doesn't want to know.

I'm tired of seeing conservatives that conserve nothing. I'm not putting up with sellouts. After four years of seeing every conceivable force being brought to bear in an unprecedented way against a duly-elected President, I am still puzzled at the vehemence of the hate directed at Trump. It's much greater than any offense his abrasive personality may have created. And I am disgusted by so many citizens failing to even note this, even without a driven curiosity. All I know is: I want to see much more of this vehemence until it's finally clear to all what the President is fighting against. My gut tells me that his is the right side to be on if we are interested in continuing as a nation with God-granted freedoms.

#23 Aggie on 2021-01-05 18:51 (Reply)

Nonsense. An openly stolen election is what is poison to democracy—in fact, no democracy at all. Fight.

#24 Jack Crevalle on 2021-01-05 19:25 (Reply)

Nothing to add except thank you all who came down on the side of never give in.

#25 barnhill on 2021-01-05 19:46 (Reply)

Thank you for writing that as all I want to do with the "give up" people is rant at them and throw my computer across the room. News Junkie's first little statement made me mad, this one takes it up a notch. You be nice and polite NJ as they are dragging you across the scaffold as you give up your fight! Remember, they want you dead!

#25.1 JC on 2021-01-05 20:44 (Reply)

Let history judge? Well, Zinn has been taught in public schools for 30 years; how's that going for you? Think the history books will be kinder?

#26 Brother John on 2021-01-05 19:49 (Reply)

Ouch. It surprises me that President Trump did so well in states he barely carried in 2016, and Biden performed just well enough in a few select states and districts to carry the day. I imagine Gov DeSantis and the Fl voting process should be examined to learn why and how President Trump did so well there.

#27 Mark on 2021-01-05 20:29 (Reply)

Quite simply, some of us feel this is the moment our Republic dies. Submitting to this is effectively letting them pull the plug. I for one, say. HELL, NO!

#28 Ama on 2021-01-05 20:34 (Reply)

No. There is NEVER a moment to submit to the evil of a fraudulent election. IN fact, Richard Nixon did a severe disservice to America in 1960, when he failed to protest the obvious and blatant fraud in Illinois.

Sloe Joe Biden will never be my president, and I'll resist him just like all the Democrat traitors did to PRESIDENT Trump.

#29 Kenneth C Mitchell on 2021-01-05 20:45 (Reply)

If this site is going to "give up" on such gross fraud, then I am clearly in the wrong place. I will delete this site from my blog-list .

#30 James P. McTamaney, on 2021-01-05 21:29 (Reply)

Double ouch. There's more good than bad here. I recommend staying.

#30.1 Mark on 2021-01-05 22:07 (Reply)

Indeed ... WAY WAY WAY more good than bad! Don't run off. We always need that Yankee fatalism injected, now and again. Difference is good!!

#30.1.1 Nat Brooks on 2021-01-05 23:53 (Reply)

Barring Pence exercising successfully a prerogative of his office, Trump will join the rest of us in observing/experiencing a Biden administration. Contesting the validity of the 2020 election does not necessarily end this week. Should supporting evidence gain significant traction, it would constitute a reverberant reason to consider DJT in 2024. Even more so if Biden and his people bungle their opportunity.

#31 Geoffrey Carter on 2021-01-05 22:11 (Reply)

If you do not believe there was massive voter fraud, then you
are not a news junkie, just another MSM talking head.
If the results of this election stands as is, the US is done.
The left will rig every election going forward, and what would stop them? Nothing! Welcome to the banana republic.

#32 Dennis Lukas on 2021-01-05 22:20 (Reply)

At 10:00pm on the 5th its being claimed that once again Fulton County is not permitting republican poll watchers to observe signatures on mail in ballots as they are opened.

It's too early to be sure it's true. However this the way the emboldened behave if they believe the rules don't apply to them, that the republicans won't raise hell until there are consequences for breaking election laws.

We can't accept a corrupt election. It must be investigated, and if found to be fraudulent, the results rejected.

#33 RIV on 2021-01-05 22:25 (Reply)

Will Rogers, financial advice:Buy stock in a wingnut factory!

#34 RL on 2021-01-05 22:38 (Reply)

Like hell. Generations of my family have bled and died for this country. I am not going to surrender it to a load of cheating corrupt socialists and Chinese stooges so.some spineless putz' sensibilities don't get ruffled. Piss off.

#35 Laurie K on 2021-01-06 02:11 (Reply)

It is time to throw in the towel.

... wrapped round a live grenade. Without a pin.

The Ruling Class has joined with the Handout Class to destroy the Productive (Middle) Class. This is the “fundamental transformation” the Lightworker (pbuh) spoke of.

Our opponents do not want a government of the people. They are not “fighting for the middle class.” They hate the Middle Class, and want us destroyed. The Ruling Class do not want us to have freezers full of ice cream like they do. We’re not good enough. The Handout Class have been convinced that we are the reason they don’t have freezers full of ice cream. The Ruling Class say we stole it from them, or something.

What we in the Productive Middle Class are is proof their secular faith - Socialism - is an angry, hungry lie; therefore, it is we who must be eliminated. Those who hate us want a government only of the people they deem acceptable; by the people they deem reliable, and for... themselves. Any means to that end - The Socialist Dream State But Done Right This Time Because We’re, Like, Really Smart And Stuff - is justifiable. Those of us who are a threat to that utopia, can go pound sand (in a “re-education” camp or work camp somewhere, of course). We know how this story ends.

We are fast returning to the Feudalist (Communist) State, with a small Ruling Class aristocracy who control all of the wealth, power and knowledge; and a large, poor, powerless and ignorant Handout Class who are dependent on the Ruling Class but convinced they are rich, smart, and have power.

In the name of “progress” they are turning back the clock to the 13th century. The Declaration be damned. The Constitution be damned. The Magna Carta be damned. Those constrain Power. But without unlimited power, the Sublime Right of the New Elite Kings cannot bring about the Heaven here on Earth that they say they can do, but that silly old sky-god and his son never could.

They now have that power in their grasp. Silly if you think they will not use it, and hang onto it at all costs - even if it costs you and your family your lives, your good fortunes, and your sacred honor.

So what options do we have left? They ignored our protests in 2009. They dismissed our vote in 2016. In 2020, they straight up stole the ballot box. It’s now only the cartridge box we have left to preserve Liberty. (Hence, their obsession with “gun control.”) Pray we do not have to use that option, but I see few others remaining.

#36 I Am Who I Am on 2021-01-06 04:26 (Reply)

Brilliant summation!

#36.1 humdeedee on 2021-01-06 18:08 (Reply)

Apparently "News Junkie" subsists on "junk news."

#37 Steveinthesticks on 2021-01-06 05:15 (Reply)

Never took you for a surrender monkey. Unfollowing this BS farm.

#38 Aesop Redux on 2021-01-06 06:15 (Reply)

Can you say Venezuela? Dominion Voting Systems (DVS) was started to supply Venezuela with crooked voting machines.. And it's ruling class hasn't lost an election since. And guess which US states use DVS??

Once you steal one election and get away with it you are going to steal them all. Because Democrats can't win on their policies. And if they control the "Horizontal and Vertical" they aren't going to investigate anything about election fraud. Hell they are the ones who did it.

Look at Chicago. The last Republican Mayor of Chicago was in 1931, 90 years ago.

And then its full on "Chavez and Maduro". Food shortages, power outages, Gun restrictions, illegal edicts and the usurpation of the bill of rights along with a healthy dose of "Do as we tell you or else while we dine at the French Laundry for $500 a plate without masks or social distancing". (HT to Gruesome Newsom whos Kalifornia did all of this since March).

"Appeasement is feeding the alligator and hoping it eats you last." Winston Churchill

#39 You Can't Make This Up on 2021-01-06 06:33 (Reply)

AVI,

respectfully, our side does not have to prove the fraud, and fraud can be shown by preponderance of evidence of it. But I am interested to know if you have qualifications of a nature that supports your assessment

Getting back to my orig point above - our election process is required to be legitimate, and Chain-of-Custody is the best way to ensure that votes are legitimate, thus going a long way to ensuring as honest an election as possible. More importantly, C-o-C is the best way to show We the People that everything is largely above board.

Without that confidence in the process, we have no Trust in the process. No Trust = No Government... which means No Constitutional Republic.

Yet the narrative, the overton window of expectations here, paint the opposite picture: that Trump must prove the fraud... and then that same narrative strongly plants/implies in the public consciousness that this must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That last standard doesn't apply here, it's preponderance of evidence - but the perception is on the harsher reasonable doubt (such as for a murder trial). Score that as a victory for the leftist/commie/dem control of media, culture, etc.

Not only does Trump have to "prove" this fraud, but he must do so before time runs out - as it almost certainly has. And here's a thought for you, AVI, these past 2 months have been one of the left either dismissing the charges of fraud as baseless, of censoring our voices, of delaying any procedural move as much as possible. In short, the side that stands to gain from the fraud's success, is fighting the side that has valid and preponderance-of-evidence supported claims of the Fraud! Not to mention thousands of Americans with sworn affidavits who have come forward to decry the fraud.

It looks like the left is fighting to prevent the fraud from being overturned (walks like a duck...).

I believe, if the left truly thought there was no fraud, they would be the first to jump on board with Trump and say YES, lets get to the bottom of this! If I were someone who hated Trump, and knew there was no fraud, I would JUMP at the chance to rebuff him, humiliate him and brand him a charlatan for ever. but that's not what they're doing, is it (... talks like a duck)?

look, I asked what your quals were to make your assessment. That matters to me because I read your blog and it's one of my goto daily visits when I browse.

When you get a chance, check out David Codrea, of monsterhunternation.com - he has a background in forensic investigation of corruption and fraud in financial field, on the Bernie Madoff scale, and he has a posting on the election fraud... the title is "election f*... is afoot" and i can't write out the word because I dont want the filters here to stop my entry. But read it, you'll see his thoughts on the sorts of red flags in his field that would lead to certain conviction of the criminals... and consider his opinion on how many more red flags (... and how much more severe they were by comparison...) there were in this election. You may change your mind on what you think is going on here.

For my part, I'm of the belief that Trump should declare Insurrection Act, I believe he certainly has more than enough support in the past actions of all the anti-American players here. It's high time to wrest the initiative away from these traitors (... just where in the HECK is that DNI report, anyway??? ).

OathKeepers against Oathbreakers - I know which side I come out on.

The JG

#40 Jack is Back on 2021-01-06 08:01 (Reply)

I think I have posted this once before on Maggie's Farm. It is my embellishment of a riff on "standing" by Tim Pool.
Imagine buying a co-op in a 50 unit complex. As part of the purchase, owners agree to abide by the maintenance, safety and security rules laid out by the HOA. However several of the owners fail to do so; they don't lock their doors or repair broken windows. Their units become water damaged and fill up with litter, debris, vermin, and threatening vagrants. These units tank the value of the entire complex and subject the other owners to hazardous(fire), unsanitary, dangerous and unsightly conditions. The responsible other owners go to the HOA and ask them to enforce the rules, the analog would be the "Elector's clause", and the HOA denies the request, denies that the other owners have standing, denies a fair hearing, denies them any remedy.

#41 Exasperated on 2021-01-06 08:56 (Reply)

I’m sure you would be the one telling your Jewish neighbors to just shut up, stop fighting, and gracefully exit into the trucks and trains. Coward. If you think appeasement in the face of evil is the answer, you are truly lost. Those who do not stand up to evil, deserve to be consumed by it. The rest of us, who love freedom, will not rescue you when you cry out for help.

#42 Annie Rose on 2021-01-06 09:02 (Reply)

From The Catholic Monitor --
The 2020 presidential election is unlike any before and requires unprecedented measures to protect it, our republic, and our future.

The degree and scale of voter fraud was unprecedented. In swing states, President Donald Trump had large leads on election night. Then, late at night counting was stopped, while election observers were ushered out. And then, huge, statistically impossible vote dumps occurred, giving Joe Biden the lead.

This pattern, which occurred only in the states where Biden had to reverse the results, and hadn’t occurred in previous elections, points to a coordinated effort to steal the election.

This effort likely involved manipulation of the vote by Dominion Voting Systems. According to a forensic audit of its machines and software in Michigan, ”the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.”

#43 Sixtyville on 2021-01-06 11:46 (Reply)

TRUMP...Cross the Rubicon.

#44 indyjonesouthere on 2021-01-06 18:22 (Reply)

The courts - dismissed all of these lawsuits - they did not investigate the allegations - they just dismissed them
The courts - state and Supremes have caused much of the frustration of the overlords telling the peasants to shut up. You and your lawsuits are unworthy of our time.
There is a ton of evidence of fraud - but if you turn a blind eye to it .. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

#45 T on 2021-01-07 12:10 (Reply)

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Tuesday, January 5. 2021

Republican senators who refuse to certify Biden’s victory are inflaming doubts they helped kindle.