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Dating today: You put it on the upper right; it's Tuesday the 19th. OH! That's not what you meant. Silllllllllllllllllllllllllllly me.
Their Happiness Hurt My Feelings: Suck it up, buttercup! GET. OVER. IT. Vice: “White Supremacy Led To the Climate Crisis” PROOF?????? Vice ought to be placed in a vise, to squeeze out the supidity. (I'm on a ROLL.) Trump Hatred: The Left is driving itself CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY! (Keep it up, Buttercups.) "White Supremacy Led to the Climate Crisis"
Do they even realize that by saying that they are agreeing that "whites" ARE supreme! The irony. LOL Why is it that many of the same people who claim that white people are causing their problems get all upset about 'white flight'.
Would that not make the neighborhood better? That is the contradiction at the heart of identity politics. Identity politics is based on the idea that biology is a determiner of one's nature, that is, one's true nature. All blacks think and act alike, all women think and act alike, all gays think and act alike, and so on, it's inherent in their nature and to the extent that they don't think and act alike, well, they're victims of a false consciousness foisted upon them by those evil oppressors known as straight white males.
Oddly, straight white males themselves are not a legitimate identity group since their nature is not inherent, they can choose how to think and act! Now you tell me - how am I, as a straight white male endowed with free will and able to decide for myself what to think and how to behave, not a superior being compared to the lesser beings who have no free will and must think and act according to their biology? "Social distancing is state-mandated humiliation."
Of course it is. That is why I refuse to stand on the vinyl footprints and follow the arrows to shop in one direction in the stores. Has anyone else wondered how the stores so easily got these various stickers when everything is shut down or experiencing a shortage? That is a very interesting observation, on the origins of the one way aisles. They have removed them from the Kroger store I shop for food in. Nobody was pay attention to that stupidity. At least we have that going for us.
I've been thinking about the psychological damage of social distancing.
We are becoming conditioned to view every man, woman and child (and possibly cat) as a deadly threat to our existence. The other day I was walking along a canal trail, with a range of hikers, bicyclists, dog walkers--people did even make eye contact. No greeting. No acknowledgement. This is not healthy I think it is more like superstition and ignorance. While it may be reasonable to say that touching people or objects will likely transfer germs and viruses, it is a stretch to think that 6 feet is a magic distance that protects you from airborne germs and viruses. MAYBE if everyone carried that 6 foot radius bubble around with them it might have some value but it seems obvious that if you sneeze, cough, exhale, shed as you move along that the germs and viruses will tend to hang there where you were and now as you are 7 plus feet away that area where you sneezed is safe for occupancy. The 6 foot rule is pure superstition like a baseball player wearing a old shirt or hat or like throwing virgins into volcanoes.
Ditto for the face mask. The cloth face masks that are popular and pretty much all that is available to the general population is worse than useless. It's effectiveness at screening out germs and viruses is about 8% on the high side which is pretty much useless. But it's ability to hold germs and viruses and effectively transfer them to the owner is outstanding. A perfect environment, warm, moist and comforting for your own little petri dish of germs and viruses. And to make it even better for this you must reuse it, unless you have access to an unlimited supply of masks. I think it is natural for people to want something that can help and grasping at straws seems to be a natural human trait. If everyone wears face masks, any face masks, that alone cuts transmission of the virus by 75-80%. 75% is from a study that just came out yesterday, the 80% figure I've seen in Korean medical stories on the virus.
Korea requires everyone to wear a mask every time they are out of their homes, and issues two KF94 masks per week for FREE to each person. Korea understands well the benefits of masks, having previously gone through the SARS and MERS epidemics (as well as having to deal with toxic "fine dust" pollution which increasingly comes into Korea from Mainland China). KF94 masks, which last about 3-4 days of wearing, are cheap (in Korea, 1,000 won apiece if you have to buy them, which is about 1 U.S. dollar--I know because we have some at home with the price sticker that our friends have given us), and are basically the Asian equivalent of an N95 mask. KF94 masks also don't have the alleged "fit" problem, so long as to take time to make sure and press the thin metal strip at the top so that it fits snugly on your face. America should be doing the same thing and that would knock this virus out much more quickly, but so far--crickets. But even cloth masks give significant protection if EVERYONE is wearing them, that's the key. The most significant protection is to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus to others or coughing or sneezing and putting the virus on fomites. The secondary protection is it does stop to a certain extent, the virus from being breathed in, or you putting your contaminated hand on your face, which is the primary way you then get infected with the virus. Positive effects of near universal mask-wearing can be seen in Korea, Hong Kong and to a lesser extent, Japan (which for some reason until recently thought they were somehow exempt from the spread of the virus, but it is now starting to take off). In an ideal world, the fed or state governments would stockpile enough of these N95 respirator masks to make them available to everyone. Prophylaxis at the base of the pyramid, even if compliance were only partial by the general public, would undoubtedly have saved tens of thousands of lives especially among the most vulnerable (including front line workers).
"Korea requires everyone to wear a mask every time they are out of their homes"
Then move to Korea and leave the rest of us the hell alone. "face masks, that alone cuts transmission of the virus by 75-80%."
This is a classic example of the error that statistics often cause. What a face mask does is decrease the percentage of a contaminate that you inhale. Ideally a n95 mask reduces that by 95%. There are a lot of complications that actually lower that substantially. But even if you achieve 95% reduction in a particular contaminant, like the Covid-19 virus, that means you still inhale 5% of the virus that was there to begin with. 5% or even 1% is more than enough for you to become infected. In other words the mask does not protect you! But it still gets worse. Even the 95% standard assumes that the virus is connected to a blob of something that the mask can filter out. The mask cannot filter out a virus it can only filter out blobs or droplets of stuff that may contain virus. So just another reason that the mask does not work The cloth masks are far less efficient and are almost laughable in their inability to filter out contaminates. I'm not going to defend mandatory mask-wearing, but I do think it's reasonable to argue that masks may help, even though they clearly can't cut risk to 0%. From a society-wide standpoint, reducing the rate of transmission by even a third can have a huge impact.
I still believe anyone who feels too threatened to go out unless everyone is masked shouldn't go out.
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Texan99
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2020-05-20 08:50
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On one hand:
During March and April emergency medical personnel across the country wore masks that were homemade out of t-shirts and scarves when N95s were in short supply because they knew these were just efficient enough to keep most of them alive. On the other hand: Another ignorant opinion of some guy on the internet. I'm sure you've got the vote of the flat earthers, anti-vaxxers and whoever else things this virus is a hoax wrapped up.
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Hugh Evan-Thomas
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2020-05-20 09:11
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The uneducated know X
The educated know Y The experts know X Viruses are almost always spread via aerosols, so they are attached to those "blobs or droplets" that masks filter. Not a lot of free floating viruses. Also, while 5% or 1% of what you encounter may be enough to infect you, that's mostly true if you're exposed in an ideal (i.e., clinical) manner. Since we routinely encounter infectious agents, and don't get infected, the body has considerable measure to prevent infection. I think you mentioned something about statistics. Anyway, that 95% drop definitely improves the chance not to get sick.
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DrTorch
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2020-05-20 13:50
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So then the masks work and there is zero reason to care what others choose to do. Case settled.
By the way as I understand the science it has been stated that most covid cases are the result of transfer from some object by your hands to your face, eyes, nose, mouth. But, hey, I'm not an expert so what do I know.
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OneGuy
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2020-05-20 14:00
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I think the stickers and signs are stupid. But they can easily be made for very little money. With a couple hundred dollars you can be printing these out by the thousands at home. Printing shops were probably considered essential in most states, and any business that has a marketing dept. can come up with these in a day.
White supremacy and AGW (climate crisis) were created by the cultural Marxists and government money. They never spend their own money but hang out at the taxpayer trough auctioning off their "studies" expertise.
Central Missouri has no observable social distancing. Floor markings are considered gang signs. Social distancing is no big deal. It's a minor inconvenience that will reduce as we go forward. When I visited NYC and walked on the High Line last year no one made any eye contact. But when I walk the Goffstown Rail Trail even now everyone is friendly and there are brief chats and exchanged greetings. It's more crowded now, but more crowded times were always less conversational before as well.
Outdoor transmission seems to be negligible and such practices will gradually diminish. We didn't know that at first, and the details are still not fully clear, but that seems to be emerging understanding. Indoors it is still an issue. If you think indoor distancing doesn't matter I suggest you go up to NYC and ride the subways just to prove your point. Of course it matters. Just because you don't get sick every time doesn't mean it provides no value. I have never had an accident where I would have hit the windshield, so one could say that wearing my seatbelt has been a useless inconvenience all these years. But we know that seatbelts are actually a big deal. I don't think it is likely that grocery stores and other retailers have been storing up markers for their floors and parking lots, just waiting for their chance to tell us all what to do.
The psychological effects are unknown, certainly. But we already have cultures where people get up close to talk to you and cultures where people keep distance and I don't know of measurable effects anyone has detected from that. It is very hard on grandmothers not to hug their grandchildren, certainly, especially in the context of generally diminished interaction and travel. But this will pass. We may as a culture just move to ten percent more distance on average. OG, your information about masks has some correct elements but is somewhat faulty. Slate Star Codex had an extended post on the research and the disagreements in late March. I tend to follow the advice of players who have actual skin in the game, like hospitals, rather than even well-meaning people from farther out. Would you go into the quarantine ward on a hospital dealing with a highly infectious and deadly disease with only a homemade face mask? Of course not. Why? Because they are ineffective, not just a little ineffective but grossly ineffective.
Perhaps they do "some good". But I recently read two facts: 1. That millions of virus can sit on that tiny surface of the POINT of a pin. 2. That studies have show that the human body will most likely be infected with as few as 7-15 virus. Given that it is on it's face ridiculous to say or believe that these cheapo face masks will protect you. They do not. If you walk into the exhale/mist/sneeze of an infected person and actually breathe than you will likely inhale about a billion times more virus than you actually needed to inhale to get infected. But the good news is your mask caught (and held for later dispersal) 8% of the virus. The mask (or the PPE) must be 100% effective. The bottom line is that masks, gloves and 6 feet of social distancing does not protect you and the experts know this but allow us our little illusion. My question is: do the politicians and other little Eichmann's know this and still force these little useless indignities on us for their own reasons? When they arrest people for lack of utilizing these fictitious artifacts do they know they are intentionally and eagerly breaking their oath of office and violating our constitutional rights? Unlikely you went and read the research I directed you to, given the time stamp. You just repeated what you thought you knew. It contains some elements of truth, but you are still missing pieces.
I tried to be polite the first time. I am a firm believer in being polite. I said nothing that was impolite.
QUOTE: Would you go into the quarantine ward on a hospital dealing with a highly infectious and deadly disease with only a homemade face mask? Of course not I wouldn't but ... My niece is an emergency room physician in a city in Los Angeles County and there were a periods of time in March and April when N95 masks were not available at all because of the number of patients and hoarding. N95 respirator masks are normally used once and then discarded. Doctors were using one mask for several days and even then that supply was iffy. At this time she was using a homemade mask -- ordinary scarves and I know this as a fact because I made several for her. These were used in an highly infectious hospital environment because that is all she had available. She was not infected. N95s are now available, but when they weren't they did with what they had to do. Don't talk like you have any idea what you're talking about because you don't. The lack of N95 masks is attributable to several things:
1. Almost no N95 masks were being produced in the U.S. although the federal government had been repeatedly warned of the danger going back to the early Obama administration. The N95 mask stockpile was also depleted during the Obama administration and not restocked. 2. Most of the world's supply of N95 masks is made in China (and to a lesser extent Mexico). When Wuhan hit, the Chinese government quietly stopped export of most of these masks as well as other PPE out of the country, knowing it would need them. 3. Speculators, mostly Chinese, then also started buying up the mask supplies in much of the rest of the world, because they knew there would be a scarcity and they could make money reselling them in China and other places. (This is a common practice known as "daigou," where overseas Chinese make money by buying up desirable items in Western countries and then resell them for profit in China.) I personally watched this happen in a pharmacy here. I walked in and saw an employee selling the store's entire mask supply under the table for cash to a woman (to be fair she looked like a Filipina immigrant, not Chinese). I should have taken a video on my phone and turned them in, but didn't. This is why you could not find any sort of masks in American pharmacies and other stores starting from late January on. This is also true at all American hardware stores, since all respirators and masks were similarly sold out from mid-January on. "Don't talk like you have any idea what you're talking about because you don't."
Got a little attitude there don't you! Actually what I said was 100% correct. As for your niece I sympathize with the medical community. But understand that a hospital is infectious all the time and everywhere. But mostly it is germs and viruses that healthy people can endure and even going without a mask in those conditions would be no big deal. Except for the quarantine ward and prior to covid 19 the medical folks wore masks to protect the patients. That is patients that might be in such poor health that even a simple cold bug might put them at risk. Or patients who had open wounds or were undergoing minor surgery. Interestingly the study I quoted that discovered that the cloth masks only filtered out 8% of germs and viruses from the air breathed gave a higher rating to exhaled germs. Still under 25% but better than the protection factor for the wearer. If you are saying that the masks do "some good", I already addressed that. If you still believe that inhaling 92% of the germs and virus is acceptable by all means wear the mask. Perhaps you like the mask, I have one with the flag on it (just in case a superstitious store owner requires them). My point is still true; the cloth masks are more dangerous than no mask. You can throw bones on the ground and divine that I am wrong but it won't change the facts. Good luck, stay safe. I'll let your BS speak for itself.
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Hugh Evan-Thomas
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2020-05-19 19:31
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Than you, I shall return the favor.
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OneGuy
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2020-05-19 19:56
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You've got some credibility issues that are more serious that your ignorance of medical practices. Once you start misrepresenting anything, as you just did with Justice Blacklock, you'll find no one will take you seriously again, because who has the motivation or time to fact check you?
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Hugh Evan-Thomas
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2020-05-19 20:15
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I quoted the Justice exactly.
Your reference: "ignorance of medical practices" makes me think you never read what I wrote. The subject was not about medical practice it was about the dictates to wear a mask even though those in authority know they are not effective. "you'll find no one will take you seriously again" This is a blog! No one takes any of this seriously.
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OneGuy
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2020-05-19 20:33
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What's your problem? you don't read anyone else's comments or even your own sources.
You presented quotes out of and without context. I can't accept anything you say at face value without fact checking, and I don't have the time to waste on you.
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Hugh Evan-Thomas
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2020-05-20 09:01
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OK Karen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=495&v=aR3uA2eLgbk&feature=emb_logo
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OneGuy
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2020-05-20 14:01
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QUOTE: My question is: do the politicians and other little Eichmann's ... know they are intentionally and eagerly breaking their oath of office and violating our constitutional rights? Even though invoking nazis is an automatic loss in debate, I'll play your game, since working with constitutional law is my job. What constitutional rights do you think are being violated by a government's quarantine orders? “All government power in this country, no matter how well-intentioned, derives only from the state and federal constitutions. Government power cannot be exercised in conflict with these constitutions, even in a pandemic.” “…When properly called upon, the judicial branch must not shrink from its duty to require the government’s antivirus orders to comply with the Constitution and the law, no matter the circumstances.” James D. Blacklock Justice Supreme Court of Texas.
The politicians work for us. They have forgotten their place and believe that they rule over us. I am too old and tired to fight this injustice but make no mistake we are very close to seeing some citizens take back their rights by force. That would be a shame and entirely unnecessary if the governors and mayors had simply not overstepped their authority. You can see police on TV and Youtube videos egregiously using force to enforce these poorly thought out dictates of power hungry governors. These actions are going to harm the rule of law and law enforcement for years after this is over. Think about the incredible stupidity to have five cops wrestle a single individual on the beach to the ground and handcuff him and take him to jail all in the name of protecting him. The stupidity runs deep in our politicians. If there was any justice there would soon be a shortage of tar and feathers. But more likely some stupid person in authority will shoot some poor sucker for the crime of being outside without a hall pass. Then I suspect there will be rioting and mayhem all in the name of "protect and serve" don'tcha know. It is very dishonest of you to present a quote out of context to alter its meaning by implying that there were facts that weren't before the court. In the real world a judge would tear strips off you for this.
A challenge to local quarantine laws was presented to the Texas Supreme Court which refused to hear the challenges. Justice Blacklock wrote the decision on May 5, 2020 to deny the petition. Any reason -- apart from the obvious -- why you chose not to mention that? Blacklock wrote: QUOTE: Just as other government officials must not exceed their rightful power in extraordinary circumstances, this Court also must not do so. I therefore concur in the denial of the petition. Here's some other language you "neglected" to quote: QUOTE: the petition is presented without supporting affidavits and with no record on which the Court could base its inquiry. Unlike you, I'm not trying to hide anything. I don't mind citing the actual case: IN RE SALON A LA MODE, ET AL., --- S.W.3d ---- (2020) https://www.beldar.org/2020/IN%20RE%20SALON%20A%20LA%20MODE%20ET%20AL.pdf Justice Blacklock gives a good layman's explanation of how constitutional issues are decided in emergencies. No one, not me, not the Texas local governments, no one on this forum would disagree with his short summary and the short opinion is worth a read for that reason alone.
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Hugh Evan-Thomas
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2020-05-19 20:10
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Yeah I read the whole thing myself. The key part of it was what I quoted. If I had tried to quote the entire thing the comment system wouldn't let me.
Do you disagree in any way with what I quoted??? Do you believe that citizens are serfs? Do you think the governor is a Lord or King? The governor is acting on an emergency decree and therefore is required to insure that his mandates and dictates are reasonable and address the emergency only and don't stray into something he has no authority to do. Most of the governors who are in trouble because of their overstepping their authority mandated things that make no sense at all. Worse they have doubled down and arrested people who were merely exercising their constitutional rights.
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OneGuy
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2020-05-19 20:44
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https://calmatters.org/health/coronavirus/2020/05/california-shutdown-lawsuits-newsom-dhillon-coronavirus-shelter-in-place-executive-orders/#lawsuits
Thanks for the laugh, this is funny:
“ QUOTE: Unjustly confined” Armstrong v Newsom Samuel Armstrong, a Los Angeles County resident, is suing the state on behalf of himself and “all others similarly situated” — which is just about everyone. He argues that the statewide shelter-in-place order violates the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution that prohibits detention “without due process of law.”
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Hugh Evan-Thomas
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2020-05-19 20:20
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re China slaps tariff on Australian Barley
Not sure what China hopes to gain by this. Their lack of awareness as to what they are doing to their international reputation is astonishing. OTOH, maybe they don't care? Perhaps they calculate ham-handedness and intimidation will carry the day, and other countries will be quick to see the light and fall in line? Re DeBolshevik will pull swimmers from the water. Not sure what he hopes to gain by this. His lack of self-awareness is astonishing. I can only speculate he fears that if his dictates are not obeyed, it will make him look like a impotent fool. One wonders, even in deep blue NYC, how much political damage he is doing to himself? QUOTE: All of it happened, awkwardly, on Zoom. The dating scene is booming — it has just gone virtual.... I looked into the masked face of a friend She's on a Zoom date and the guy she's dating is wearing a mask????? >> Gallup: Trump Approval Rating
Followed the LINK and could not find ANYTHING supporting high approval ratings for T. Where's the beef ?? Re: China slaps tariff on Australian Barley
Not sure what China hopes to gain by this. Their lack of awareness as to what they are doing to their international reputation is astonishing. OTOH, maybe they don't care? Perhaps they calculate ham-handedness and intimidation will carry the day, and other countries will be quick to see the light and fall in line? It's more serious than that. China buys an enormous amount of minerals from Australia. In fact, Australia's entire economy is based on ore exports to China. If those exports stopped, millions of Australian men would be thrown out of work. It would cause a depression. The sad thing is that there's really no easy remedy. Australia will have to respond, using the normal procedures: Kick the aborigines off the payroll. Fire at least sixty percent of government employees. Cancel all public pensions. And establish food banks, so that no one goes hungry. After twenty years, industry will begin to re-establish itself. |