We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
On September 6, 1620, our Pilgrim Fathers and Mothers set sail from Holland, where many Puritans had fled, to England to furnish the boat and pick up more passengers, and headed to what was called "North Virginia" - New York harbor, specifically.
They left too late in the year. The leaky Speedwell slowed them down, and the Mayflower herself was an old tub. On November 9 they made landfall in Cape Cod (a mere 2 degrees off course), but found heading south to NY was treacherous with the autumn storms, so they gave up that effort and returned to the Cape, anchored in Provincetown Harbor, and began exploring Cape Cod (and stealing caches of Indian corn) until deciding on Plymouth as the spot to settle down for the very hard first winter.
Only 50 of the 110 on board the Mayflower survived the first winter. Had they anticipated that catastrophe, they never would have left Europe. Samoset and Squanto appeared in March (Squanto spoke English, and had already been to England, and probably to Spain too), and helped them figure out how to live, farm, hunt, and fish, in rugged New England. Plymouth, fortunately, had many large, abandoned Indian corn fields so it wasn't too difficult to get the spring planting underway.
How differently history might have developed had they ended up where they had intended in the environs of the soon-to-be wealthy Dutch mercantile colony of New Amsterdam.
The illustration you chose almost makes me weep. It was the illustration in my gradeschool textbook, lo those many years ago, when illustrations were few and far between in any textbook.
Someone did a financial analysis of the value of that $24 dollars Minuet blew on Manhattan. I wish I could find it. The value of the money, if invested wisely since 1626, would exceed the real estate value of all of Manhattan now. Hint: stay away from tulips.
No justice, no peace! Dutch-Americans should demand reparations from the Indians. Forty acres of Foxwoods and a Columbian mule oughta do it.
roger de hauteville
anyone interested in their pilgrim genealogy should visit http://www.themayflowersociety.com/
you get a postcard every birthday with nifty mayflower sketches if you join :)
EXCELLENT! Let's hijack a thread about Pilgrims/Puritans/Cape Cod/Mass. into one about Manahattan.
I highly recommend "The Island at the Center of the World: The Epic Story of Dutch Manhattan and the Forgotten Colony That Shaped America" by Russell Shorto. You can find it easily enough on Amazon so you don't need no steenking leenk.
According to Shorto (and I find him quite convincing) the "$24" thing (in and of itself a bit of nonsense conjured up centuries after the fact) was, essentially, a payment made to purchase peaceful coexistence with the natives. It wasn't buying real-estate, it was buying safe access. IIRC the natives didn't have many/any permanent settlements on Manhattan Island.
Gift-giving was looked at differently by the Indians. A gift was an offer of friendship, alliance. If it was not reciprocated with a return gift, the natives would conclude "Oh, they don't want our friendship. We should take our gift back, because we don't have that close a relationship after all." This seemed appalling to the Europeans, but actually, it's quite a sensible system.
Assistant Village Idiot
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