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From First minor with coronavirus in New York City dies:

The vast majority of people who have died from coronavirus had underlying conditions, according to the CDC. New York City's numbers reflect that as well. Of the 790 people who have died from COVID-19 in New York City, all but 13 had underlying conditions. The city department of health's definition of "underlying conditions" includes diabetes, lung disease, cancer, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/liver disease.

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Underlying conditions should include chronic smoking (including pot) and vaping.

#1 Andrew Stanton on 2020-03-30 15:39 (Reply)

This study does not agree, and yes I was quite surprised as well. https://www.qeios.com/read/article/554

#1.1 Dbltap on 2020-04-01 00:46 (Reply)

A lot of people have hypertension, diabetes, or asthma who don't think they should be regarded as being at death's door with only C19 to push them through. I wonder how flexible the term is going to become.

#2 Assistant Village Idiot on 2020-03-30 16:33 (Reply)

I agree. My gut feeling is this excuse is put out there to soften the blow of this pandemic and to take some of the blame from everyone involved. There is almost no one over the age of 50 or so that does not have underlying health issues. They may not know it but they likely still do have issues. I have numerous relatives who lived into their 90's and they all had health issues long before they turned 60 years old. And yet they lived long and happy lives.

#2.1 Anon on 2020-03-30 18:10 (Reply)

I have wondered as well if it includes those with ]well-controlled comorbidities like hypertension and type II diabetes though I believe I have read that both of those raise inflammation and reduce immune response even if controlled.

#2.1.1 Dennis on 2020-03-31 00:54 (Reply)

Ask and ye shall receive. Found this article this morning that seems to answer the geezer susceptibility question:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/30/what-explains-coronavirus-lethality-for-elderly/

#2.1.1.1 Dennis on 2020-03-31 12:31 (Reply)

Dying with Coronavirus is hardly the same thing as dying from Coronavirus. They could have easily picked up the Coronavirus from the hospital. So, still no CV deaths proven to be from CV.

#3 FRP on 2020-03-30 18:22 (Reply)

And what will you call "proven?" That sounds like you could redefine any death as non-C19. In fact, it sounds like you already are.

#3.1 Assistant Village Idiot on 2020-03-30 21:08 (Reply)

Exactly, only 12% of the deaths in Italy are directly from CV. The other 88% had from 1-3 other serious medical conditions that could very likely have been the cause of death. No one knows so they mark them all down under the “death with CV” column which makes everyone believe they were killed by it which is certainly not true.

#3.1.1 FRP on 2020-03-30 21:37 (Reply)

Surely it's almost never 100% one or the other. That does mean it will be hard to compare apples with apples from one area to the next, but that's a reason for caution, not stark denial.

#3.1.1.1 Texan99 on 2020-03-31 08:37 (Reply)

You don't die from a gunshot wound to the chest you die from bleeding. So gunshots wounds are no big deal.

#3.1.1.2 Anon on 2020-03-31 10:41 (Reply)

More hysteria from the MSM.

#4 snopercod on 2020-03-30 20:48 (Reply)

So can I take the absolute disgusting view of this virus? It will lower Medicare costs long term as many long term ill patients who need much more than average treatment in terms of costs will not survive. I try to look at impacts and costs, in all terms not just in terms of death.

Maybe some of that money could then be used for better uses, but who am I kidding. Government savings means time to spend it on something else that is worthless and ask for more money for the things that will actually make it better.

Granted until Americans start to take better care of themselves, eat better and exercise there will be a new batch of at risk patients to take their place soon enough.

#5 Shawn M (Link) on 2020-03-31 10:33 (Reply)

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