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Chautauqua Institution’s Destruction. Chautauqua Institution was once a fine place to visit, many years ago.
I found out that my grandfather worked one summer during his college years at set-up for Chautauqua Circuit events. Trump, Iran and the New Guns of August - A serious conflict in the Strait of Hormuz is more likely, and closer, than people think.
It would take about half an hour to render the Iranian Navy into the newest "coral reef starter" in the Gulf and maybe a hour more for a couple of squadrons of A-10s to happily hunt down and obliterate those little mosquito boats employed by Iran to mind-f**k soft-brained Western "powers." Won't een mention the measured time the mullahs would be on, as their Persian hordes rise up to sweep over the major Iranian cities, if they try to fight their way out of the TRUMP box. TRUMP's got this. Trust the Plan! QUOTE: Mueller Digging Through Trump's Tweets To Make Obstruction Case Bird Dog: Justice or vengeance? "Be careful of the law. It's a twisty, cranky old thing, and you may flout it a dozen times, but once it has you in its grip, you'll find it never lets go." — warning given to Ross Poldark Last gasp for the Mueller "investigation", proving once again that President Trump has committed no crimes.
Actually it has become a rather silly sideshow. How does losing feel, kiddiez? 😂😂😂 "Be careful of the law reality. It's a twisty, cranky old thing, and you may flout ignore it a dozen times, but once it has you in its grip, you'll find it never lets go."
FIFY. P.S. The longer Trump's Presidency survives The Assault of the Incompetents, the better the odds of its continued survival, and the better the odds of some of the noisier lefties (e.g., Brennan) doing time. And isn't it odd that after a fair amount of time fruitlessly investigating what's out of sight, Mueller is now forced to examine Twitter "evidence". Damn, they have Trump right where they want him! There is super code lingo in Trumps tweets. It’s how he has been communicating with the Russians! You can’t get anything past Robert Mueller.
B. Hammer: There is super code lingo in Trumps tweets. It’s how he has been communicating with the Russians!
Sometimes he just says it out loud. Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton's email. Hours later, Russian agents try to hack Clinton's email system. "Hours later, Russian agents try to hack Clinton's email system."
What, Hillary's Lotus Notes "Maginot" version?!?
#3.2.1.1.1
Bill Carson
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2018-07-27 12:13
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Clinton handed over her server to the Justice Department in August of 2015. Therefore, the FBI had possession of Hillary's server at the time of Trump's speech. If it was even turned on and if it were attached to a network (unlikely), it would certainly be on a private LAN in the FBI and thus not accessible to anyone else. Are you therefore alleging that Clinton or one of her minions put those emails on another computer before the FBI took hers and didn't tell them about it?
#3.2.1.1.2
mudbug
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2018-07-27 12:18
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mudbug: Are you therefore alleging that Clinton or one of her minions put those emails on another computer before the FBI took hers and didn't tell them about it?
The Russians wouldn't necessarily know whether those emails were still contained in her personal email or not. Of course, it was all just an incredible coincidence.
#3.2.1.1.2.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 12:29
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Z: The Russians wouldn't necessarily know whether those emails were still contained in her personal email or not.
Try not to be stupid. Do you think that Russians didn't know that the FBI had her server and that the email were still missing? The FBI investigation was the biggest story of the last year and a half. Z: Of course, it was all just an incredible coincidence. So you're saying they tried to hack a computer that was in the FBI's possession and was certainly not on the Internet? If the Russians are that stupid then why should are wasting our time worrying about if they had or will "hack our elections." On the other hand, you don't appear to be trying hard enough not to be stupid. Try harder!!!
#3.2.1.1.2.1.1
mudbug
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2018-07-27 12:44
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mudbug: Do you think that Russians didn't know that the FBI had her server and that the email were still missing?
The FBI had actually recovered most of the emails, either from fragments, or from other emails accounts. So you are going with the incredible coincidence theory. mudbug: So you're saying they tried to hack a computer that was in the FBI's possession and was certainly not on the Internet? No, they attacked email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office, and seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton Campaign. So you are going with the incredible coincidence theory. mudbug: If the Russians are that stupid then why should are wasting our time You apparently don't understand most email scams and hacks. It's a numbers game. Most attempts may fail, but the costs are low, and the payoff potentially very high. But you are going with the incredible coincidence theory.
#3.2.1.1.2.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 12:56
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Pretty cute. We now know that the FBI has 99% confidence that Hillary's email server was hacked by at least five foreign agencies. It would be surprising if one of those agencies was not Russian. We knew at the time of Trump's speech that the security on her server was "amateur hour." We also knew she accessed her server while on foreign soil. So it's logical to presume that the Russians already had access the emails on her server. In fact, it would be a stretch to believe otherwise.
There's nothing that you've said would support the assertion that Trump realistically urged the Russians to hack Hillary's server rather than just a joke that the Russians probably already had her emails. Essentially every computer on the net is probed every minute of the day by someone. That Russians, Chinese, or Pakistanis would be doing that is not surprising.
#3.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1
mudbug
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2018-07-27 13:36
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mudbug: We now know that the FBI has 99% confidence that Hillary's email server was hacked by at least five foreign agencies.
It's quite possible her server was hacked, but do you have a citation to support your claim?
#3.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 14:14
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mudbug: There's nothing that you've said would support the assertion that Trump realistically urged the Russians to hack Hillary's server rather than just a joke that the Russians probably already had her emails.
So, Trump was suggesting that the Russians release stolen emails to politically damage Clinton. Is this somehow better? Isn't this just an attempt at collusion in plain sight?
#3.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.2
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 14:16
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Collusion. LOL.
Keep beating that dead horse, kiddiez. How does losing feel? 😂😂😂
#3.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.2.1
drowningpuppies
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2018-07-27 15:52
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"Hours later, Russian agents try to hack Clinton's email system."
You keep claiming this, but we have yet to see the proof. I think it is just more hand waving from the Zachborg troll farm. You say you rely on "demonstrable facts", let us see them.
#3.2.1.1.3
B. Hammer
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2018-07-27 12:43
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B. Hammer: You keep claiming this, but we have yet to see the proof. I think it is just more hand waving ...
It's hardly handwaving, but a part of a detailed federal indictment of Russian agents. U.S. v. Netyksho et al., #22
#3.2.1.1.3.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 12:50
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Oh, that is rich! I'm no lawyer, but an indictment is not proof. Unless you believe in guilty without the benefit of a trial? I am sure that a good lawyer, would make mince meat of the statements contained in #22. Really? How convenient to write, "..on or about July 27, 2016, the Conspirators
attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts..." For the first time? Good luck proving that. The FBI didn't even examine the computers. The DNC wouldn't let them!
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1
B. Hammer
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2018-07-27 13:33
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B. Hammer: I'm no lawyer, but an indictment is not proof.
No, but it does represent probable cause, which is more than just "hand waving" as you claimed.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 14:18
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Huge difference between probable cause, and proof.
I have not accused you, today, of hand waving! Why so sensitive?
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.1.1
B. Hammer
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2018-07-27 14:40
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Oops, I guess I did. Anyway, you are hand waving past my question.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.1.1.1
B. Hammer
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2018-07-27 14:42
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B. Hammer: I'm no lawyer, but an indictment is not proof.
And it is consistent with which we do have direct evidence, such as the Podesta hack, Guccifer 2.0 being a Russian agent, and a pattern of cyber-warfare against open democratic systems across the world.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 14:21
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#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.1
drowningpuppies
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2018-07-27 16:03
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Looks like Guccifier is a dead end, Zach. Looks like Guccifier is another DNC\Clinton Crime family operation. Read the drowningpuppies link.
No evidence of Trump Russia collusion. Plenty of evidence of Clinton Russia collusion. #walkaway
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2
B. Hammer
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2018-07-27 22:35
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B. Hammer: Looks like Guccifier is another DNC\Clinton Crime family operation.
Guccifer 2.0 had a problem with his VPN and accidentally revealed his actual location, a desk at the Russian intelligence agency. B. Hammer: Read the drowningpuppies link. Drowningpuppies is an admitted troll, so his comments have been blocked by our spam filter for most of the past year.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-28 08:47
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The kiddiez are annoyed at losing arguments based on logic and facts.
So how does losing feel, kiddiez? 😂😂😂
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1.1
drowningpuppies
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2018-07-28 09:47
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Another dead end. A defense attorney is going to make mince meat of CrowdStrike - another DNC Clinton organization. What will the jury decide when they find out: 1) Obama Appoints CrowdStrike Officer To Admin Post Two Months Before June 2016 Report On Russia Hacking DNC. 2)The FBI Never Looked At The DNC’s Servers — Only CrowdStrike did. 3.) Comey Contradicted The DNC’s Story On The FBI Asking To See The Server. 4) CrowdStrike Co-Founder Is Fellow On Russia Hawk Group, Has Connections To George Soros, Ukrainian Billionaire. And 5) CrowdStrike Is Funded By Clinton-Loving Google $$.
#walkaway
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1.2
B. Hammer
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2018-07-28 12:57
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B. Hammer: A defense attorney is going to make mince meat of CrowdStrike
Most of the evidence is independent of CrowdStrike. For instance, the URL used to spoof Podesta's account is known and is linked to Russian agents. Keep in mind that this is part of a pattern of aggression by Russia against open democracies around the world. Pretending it isn't happening doesn't make it go away. B. Hammer: Obama Appoints CrowdStrike Officer To Admin Post Two Months Before June 2016 Report On Russia Hacking DNC. It was a presidential commission of experts in cybersecurity to make recommendations concerning cybersecurity, and the commission made its final report in December 2016. B. Hammer: The FBI Never Looked At The DNC’s Servers Physical access to the servers is not required to trace Internet communications. Guccifer 2.0 IP has been tied to Russian military intelligence.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1.2.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-28 13:32
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“Keep in mind that this is part of a pattern of aggression by Russia against open democracies around the world. Pretending it isn't happening doesn't make it go away. “
I don’t dispute that. The question is, did Trump collude? I don’t think so. There is zero credible evidence. What I have a very strong feeling about is that a sitting President, Obama, colluded with Hillary Clinton, along with the Russians, using federal resources, to smear a rival candidate. And there is an ongoing coup, from deep state operators, and world ‘leaders’ to take down the duly elected President. A presidential commission? Who appoints the commissioners? Hand waving! One can bounce their IP address all over the place. Even so, that doesn’t prove collusion with Trump.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1.2.1.1
B. Hammer
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2018-07-28 15:01
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B. Hammer: I don’t dispute that.
You denied that the Russians tried to hack Clinton's email hours after Trump called for “Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.” B. Hammer: The question is, did Trump collude? Trump Jr. certainly wanted to collude when they agreed to meet Russians who claimed to have dirt on Clinton as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump." It's likely Trump Sr. knew of this at the time. Either way, it is clear that the Trump campaign was open to collusion with the Russian government. B. Hammer: A presidential commission? That's right, essentially a short-term public service position within his field of expertise.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1.2.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-29 10:58
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“You denied that the Russians tried to hack Clinton's email hours after Trump called for “Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”
Wow. Here I thought you are more intellectually honest than that. I finally am of the same opinion of you of drowningpuppies. Desperation much?
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1.2.1.1.1.1
B. Hammer
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2018-07-29 14:47
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B. Hammer: Here I thought you are more intellectually honest than that.
Fallacy of diversion. The Atlantic: A new indictment charges that Russians tried to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails on July 27, 2016—the same day that Donald Trump publicly asked them to do so. On the one hand, the indictment represents probable cause, and is consistent with Russian activities in the U.S. and other open democracies. On the other hand, we have your hand waving.
#3.2.1.1.3.1.1.2.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-30 08:39
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The Russians found that Hillary's "yoga" and"wedding" emails had all been automatically copied to a "country-not-russia". The russians were too late for an "exclusive hack", because it was so easy.
"Hillary Clinton’s emails, “every single one except for four, over 30,000 of them, were going to an address that was not on the distribution list,” Texas Congressman Louis Gohmert said on Friday. And they went to “an unauthorized source that was a foreign entity unrelated to Russia.” The information came from Intelligence Community Inspector General Chuck McCullough, who sent his investigator Frank Rucker, along with an ICIG attorney Janette McMillan, to brief Strzok." Super-sleuth Strzok immediately applied his amazing capability to protecting Hillary's classified email: "Gohmert: Well then, I’ll help you with that too then. Mr. Rucker reported to those of you, the four of you there, in the presence of the ICIG attorney, that they had found this anomaly on Hillary Clinton’s emails going through her private server, and when they had done the forensic analysis, they found that her emails, every single one except for four, over 30,000 of them, were going to an address that was not on the distribution list. It was a compartmentalized bit of information that was sending it to an unauthorized source. Do you recall that? Strozk: Sir, I don’t."
#3.2.1.1.4
jaybird
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2018-07-27 12:54
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jaybird: The Russians found that Hillary's "yoga" and"wedding" emails had all been automatically copied to a "country-not-russia".
Please provide a primary citation. According to the FBI, there was no evidence of a hack, though they considered it a possibility. The Russians did successfully hack the DNC and Podesta's email.
#3.2.1.1.4.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 12:58
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Zak, what do you not understand about the official congressional information from Congressman Gohmert, quoted above? Your bot-battery is running low. Maybe they don't allow you to have access to congressional hearings at your slave-troll-farm?
"Hillary Clinton’s emails, “every single one except for four, over 30,000 of them, were going to an address that was not on the distribution list,” Texas Congressman Louis Gohmert said on Friday. And they went to “an unauthorized source that was a foreign entity unrelated to Russia.” The information came from Intelligence Community Inspector General Chuck McCullough, who sent his investigator Frank Rucker, along with an ICIG attorney Janette McMillan, to brief Strzok." "Gohmert: Well then, I’ll help you with that too then. Mr. Rucker reported to those of you, the four of you there, in the presence of the ICIG attorney, that they had found this anomaly on Hillary Clinton’s emails going through her private server, and when they had done the forensic analysis, they found that her emails, every single one except for four, over 30,000 of them, were going to an address that was not on the distribution list. It was a compartmentalized bit of information that was sending it to an unauthorized source. Do you recall that? Strozk: Sir, I don’t."
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1
jaybird
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2018-07-27 14:40
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jaybird: what do you not understand about the official congressional information from Congressman Gohmert
By "official congressional information" you apparently mean something Gohmert claimed, but never supported, saying the information came from the Inspector General, though it is not found in the Inspector General's report. Do you have a primary source for the claim? It is certainly quite possible Clinton's emails were hacked.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-27 15:17
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To the Zakbot programmer,
Great software routine imitating the famous "Dead Parrot" sketch!! Getting a very simple computer to automatically respond that there is no proof that the parrot is dead, or that 5 countries hacked all but 4 of hillary's 30,000 (many classified) emails, must have been a fun software project. But your word-parsing routine needs work. The "Inspector General" your Zakbot refers to is not Obama appointee Michael Horowitz. He is the FBI IG who notoriously can see no Strozk/McCabe/Ohr/Page.Steel/Coie/Fusion bias, collusion or conflicts despite giving "get out of jail free" cards to all hillary henchpersons and exonerating hillary before even asking her any questions, while vowing to prevent trump from being elected despite believing there was "no there there". The information came instead from Intelligence Community Inspector General Chuck McCullough, who sent his investigator Frank Rucker, along with an ICIG attorney Janette McMillan, to brief Strzok." You need to reprogram your Zakbot so it does not treat "Inspector General" as an actual person's name. Are you working with Russian or Chinese AI research?
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1
jaybird
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2018-07-27 18:17
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jaybird: The information came instead from Intelligence Community Inspector General Chuck McCullough (
No. The information you provided came second-hand from Gohmert.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-28 08:37
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Zak, not a very good rendition of the Dead Parrot sketch.
Here's another opportunity. Please explain why hillary is not guilty of conspiring with the russians to affect our elections, by and with Fusion GPS, Steele and russian sources? Please do your Dead Parrot routine about why hillary wasn't bribed to the tune of $140 million to sell uranium to the russians. Did hillary's State Department lose $6 billion dollars? Is slick willie a serial raoist?
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1
jaybird
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2018-07-28 10:21
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To review, this thread was about Trump calling for Russia to hack and release official State Department emails. For the latest diversions:
jaybird: Please explain why hillary is not guilty of conspiring with the russians to affect our elections, by and with Fusion GPS, Steele and russian sources? No, for the obvious reason that the Clinton campaign never utilized the information in the Trump dossier. jaybird: Did hillary's State Department lose $6 billion dollars? Pants on fire!
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-28 10:36
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hillary colluding with russians to affect the election is completely proven. Her campaign and the DNC worked with Steele and Fusion GPS to contact russian "sources" to create a fake dossier used to affect the election. hillary's law firm perkins coie did the contacts and payments. the russians were likely connected to putin. case closed.
"missing" state department money: So Mr. Truth-finder, where did the money go? Into hillary’s pocket, or her “friends-of-bill” pockets, or the clinton crime foundation? Even Politifact, a biased “mainstream media fake news” creation, admits not knowing where the money went, evidencing “significant financial risk and ... lack of internal control over the department’s contract actions" and that hillary’s state department was “financially disorganized...opening itself up to fraud”. Like the old song, hillary and fraud go together like a horse and carriage. Having hillary around disappearing money is like inviting Bernie Madoff to take care of your parent’s IRA account. Again, where did the untracked money paid out under hillary’s state department, go? It gone, somewhere that it can't be found. Maybe for weddings and yoga lessons? Did some of it go to a hillary-defending troll farm? Who knows?
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
jaybird
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2018-07-28 20:09
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jaybird: hillary colluding with russians to affect the election is completely proven
Ignoring our response then repeating your position doesn't make for an effective argument. The Clinton campaign never used the dossier. jaybird: where did the money go? Ignoring our response then repeating your position doesn't make for an effective argument. QUOTE: Inspector General: Some have concluded based on this that $6 billion is missing. The alert, however, did not draw that conclusion... Instead, it found that the failure to adequately maintain contract files So there's no missing $6 billion. There's missing paperwork. That's why your Pants are on fire!
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-29 11:06
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politifact is a "fake news media" coverup creation funded by the "news media", they cover up for. Where is the money? exactly who got it? politifact is notorious for attacking Sara Palin's concern that federal medicare would decide what got covered, as "death panels", to attack elections. It is true that medicare denies procedures and treatment based on age. We can see what happens with government-controlled "death panels" from the Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans cases in governmemt-controlled england. politifact went out of its way to slander Palin for political purposes. Politifact is not trustworthy. Again, where did the "missing" money go, that the Inspector General could not trace or track down?
Why do you support the clinton rapist and bribery cuture? Why do you support the russian-supplied-steele interference in our election, paid for by the clinton crime organization/DNC? Do you deny russian "sources" connected to putin were directly involved in the so-called dossier used by clinton to attack our election? Didn't clinton's/DNC law firm perkins coie pay millions to get russian collaboration in this dossier?
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
jaybird
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2018-07-29 11:52
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jaybird: politifact is a "fake news media" coverup creation funded by the "news media
Are you saying the statement from the Inspector General is not accurate? Or are you just hoping to shoo away those pesky facts.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-29 11:56
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No, you misrepresent my questions to you. The quotes were from the Inspector General, who found untraceable money.
Please answer the questions: Where is the money? Exactly who got it? I feel honored by your "pants on fire" attack. Politifact is NOTORIOUS for its "pants on fire" sleaze attacks. This fake news soponsored site started out with a "pants on fire" attack on Sara Palin's concern that federal medical panels would decide what got covered, as "death panels", to attack Palin's election. It is true that medicare decides and denies procedures and treatment based on age. We know what happens with government-controlled "death panels", from the Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans cases in government-controlled england. Privately-paid-for medical procedures, and even leaving england for privately-paid-for treatment in the US were denied by british "Death Panels". Politifact went out of its way to slander Palin with its "pants on fire" sleaze for political purposes. Politifact is not trustworthy. Again, where did the "missing" money go, that even the State Department Inspector General could not trace or track down? Why do you support the clinton rapist and bribery cuture? Why do you support the absolutely clear russian-supplied-steele interference in our election, paid for by and in collaboration with the clinton crime organization/DNC? Do you deny russian "sources" connected to putin were directly involved in the so-called dossier used by clinton to attack our election? Didn't clinton's/DNC law firm perkins coie pay millions to get russian collaboration in this dossier? You have even less credibility than the parrot-shop clerk in the famous Dead Parrot sketch.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
jaybird
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2018-07-29 14:04
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jaybird: I think Bird Dog should have a limit on comments from any commentor of say, 3 comments.
Gee whiz. First you say our comments should be limited, then you demand we post again. jaybird: Where is the money? What money? If you are referring to the Inspector General's alert, according to the Inspector General the money was spent for government purposes.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-29 14:15
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jaybird: Why do you support the clinton rapist and bribery cuture?
Plurium Interrogationum. Try to rephrase it without presupposing your favored answer. jaybird: Do you deny russian "sources" connected to putin were directly involved in the so-called dossier used by clinton to attack our election? As far as is known, the Russian government did not sanction the information found in the dossier, nor was it collected in order to advance Russian interests. In any case, the Clinton campaign did not use the dossier.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2
Zachriel
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2018-07-29 14:21
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Zak, complete BS denial. How can you deny that known Russian government spies were Steele's alleged sources? Hillary DID USE the Russian-spy-sourced "unverified" sources, absolutely and undeniably. The fake unverified dossier was absolutely pushed to the biased clintoncronies in the FBI - Strozk, Ohr, Page, McCabe et al so they (admittedly) could prevent Trump from being elected. It is absolutely clear, and paid for by the DNC, hillary, and the hillary-DNC law firm perkins coie. Did Perkins Coie register as a foreign agent? Absolute undeniable collusion among hillarycampaign/DNC/FusionGPS/Steele/Ohrs/Strozk and others to defeat Trump using Russian agents.
In response to your refusal to answer, anyone can make a silly phrase sound important: "e pluribus unum, de gustibus non disputandum est" But your latin phrase does not answer who got hillary's "missing" state department money: AGAIN, Mr. Truth-finder, where did the money go? Into hillary’s pocket, or her “friends-of-bill” pockets, or the clinton crime foundation? Even Politifact, a biased “mainstream media fake news” creation, admits not knowing where the money went, evidencing “significant financial risk and ... lack of internal control over the department’s contract actions" and that hillary’s state department was “financially disorganized...opening itself up to fraud”. Like the old song, hillary and fraud go together like a horse and carriage. Having hillary around disappearing money is like inviting Bernie Madoff to take care of your parent’s IRA account. Again, where did the untracked money paid out under hillary’s state department, go? It gone, somewhere that it can't be found. Maybe for weddings and yoga lessons? Did some of it go to a hillary-defending troll farm? Who knows? YOU MUST KNOW WHERE THE MONEY WENT, since you are so vigorously claiming hillary didn't steal or divert it, or laxly let someone else steal or divert it. So, who got it?
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jaybird
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2018-07-29 16:33
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jaybird: How can you deny that known Russian government spies were Steele's alleged sources
Steele's sources were reliable in the past. jaybird: The fake unverified dossier was absolutely pushed to the biased clintoncronies in the FBI - Strozk, Ohr, Page, McCabe et al so they (admittedly) could prevent Trump from being elected. Asked and answer — several times. Try to respond rather than just repeating your talking points. The Clinton campaign didn't use the dossier. The FBI had the dossier, and while they investigated, they didn't take any public action. jaybird: AGAIN, Mr. Truth-finder, where did the money go? Asked and answer — several times. Try to respond rather than just repeating your talking points. If you are referring to the Inspector General's alert, according to the Inspector General the money was spent for government purposes.
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Zachriel
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2018-07-30 08:47
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Former FBI Director James Comey: The Steele dossier "was coming from a credible source, someone with a track record, someone who was a credible and respected member of an allied intelligence service during his career ... And so it was important that we try to understand it, and see what could we verify, what could we rule in or rule out.”
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Zachriel
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2018-07-30 09:04
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Bot battery!
That's great.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.2
Dave
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2018-07-27 22:46
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Dave, the Zaktroll is also "battery" in the sense of "assault and battery" on this site for anything to do with hillary, obama government sleaze, or global worming.
I think Bird Dog should have a limit on comments from any commentor of say, 3 comments. The Zakbots could of course just fabricate new names, but there may also be solutions to that problem.
#3.2.1.1.4.1.1.2.1
jaybird
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2018-07-29 12:00
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Bill Carson: The longer Trump's Presidency survives The Assault of the Incompetents
"I wish they’d decide once and for all which gang of hooligans constitutes the government of this country!" — from Zhivago Then CS-SR(s) makers have equipped it with a Rando Culture Reference Tool slash Human Emulator. Let's see if anyone falls for it.
Agreed regarding the Rando Culture Reference Tool slash Human Emulator, and waiting with bated breath to hear what Bullwinkle, Nelson Mandela and Tennessee Tuxedo warned of in regard to the possible erosion of the international rules-based order.
And we mustn't forget the "Screw N*(N-1)/2 Two-Player Game Theory Conformer" module - it's a humdinger!
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Bill Carson
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2018-07-27 12:21
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Yup. Problem with the Rando Culture Reference Tool slash Human Emulator is that algo running it has to be immensely deft because real human people persons have a natural internal gauge - the famed Bullshit Detector - that goes to eleven the instant some canned gaslighting comes along.
To wit: QUOTE: Trolling doesn't attempt to persuade, but to divert a discussion. That's why we[s] always try to stay on topic, and rely on demonstrable facts to support our[s] position. (Note the statistics provided in our[s] previous comment, along with a quote from the cited article.) http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/31988-Thursday-morning-links.html#c352927 ([s] added for multibot identification.) I mean, isn't that just precious? You can imagine the Basic 2.Beyond Infinity routine running that degree of utterly obvious diversion: Read real human people person, deduce fundamental argument, Google linguistic structure, and repost it as you own; just invert the references. Like I say, Bill, it's going to take some fine-tuning.
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Meh
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2018-07-27 12:49
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Yeah, Meh, the total unawareness/logical inconsistency embodied in your "We are not trolls" trolling example points to a lot of future fine-tuning for the CSR(s) folks. In any event it's gaslighting in the extreme.
Makes a man long for an ice-cold Manchurian, it does! Not gaslighting, yet somewhat related to the "queerness" of much of the CSR(s) output : a case in which the AI doesn't quite add up, requiring "operator intervention" from folks with a different type of bs detector.
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Bill Carson
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2018-07-27 13:39
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In that same passel of reality-inverting the CS-SR(s) went on to issue yet more dot matrix clattering from its Sanctimony Wallpapering Cache 1400 MkII, saying that when it's impeccable and righteous grasp of the whole of the universe of facts went challenged, invariably us filthy real human people persons would resort, and I quote, to handwaving or ad hominem.
Bet we never saw that coming, right Bill? Snort! Which means however, that when we sarcastically ridicule the infernal thing it completely misses us. No receptors. No processing unit for real human people personry, filthy or not. Explains the CS-SR(s)'s silence and at this point, silence is frikkin' heaven, my brother. Hey CS-SR(s). Your momma! See? Nothing.
#3.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
Meh
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2018-07-27 14:07
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From an earlier format I liked.
Sane person: This Hillary-parrot is dead. Zak: No, its just pining for the White house. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218 Sane Person: No, its dead. Zakbot: No, Mueller, Comey and Rosenstein will revive it !! Plus Gobal Worming. Plus open borders. Let all non-citizens around the world vote here by absentee ballot !!!! Its only fair that WE do this because of OUR american values. Surely WE can pay for this !!! WE are better than denying undocumented people living everywhere around the world, the right to vote in US elections. Obsma's doung a greaat job supporting the confiscation of property in South Africa!!! sputter (low battery) Sane Person: Trump is President. Zakbot: No, No, No. Russians!! Russians !!! Playboy Bunnies!! Orange Hair!!! Trump is going to mess up the Obama Economy !!! There's no proof hillary took $140 million bribes or defrauded the FISA court !!!! Sane Person: Zzzzzz. I'm not willing to pay to get past the NYT paywall, so I can't confirm what I believe to be true: I live in a big old Trump bubble.
Speaking of paywalls, I'm also not willing to pay to read what otherwise looks like a highly amusing WaPo piece decrying Trump's use of tariffs to promote a radical free-trade agenda. But I did get to read the piece about shooing SF tech workers out onto the lovely clean sidewalk so they'd order some healthful and economically stimulating restaurant lunch already. Classic. Mueller - and his Democrat enablers (elected and non-elected) - are dragging things out until after the 2018 mid-terms in hopes that the Dems will gain control of Congress and somehow make a bogus prosecution of Trump more possible.
noncitizen voting: The left wants to replace you voters in fly over country. You have become to independent thinking your money is yours and the constitution was intended to protect your rights (of course the constitution was intended to allow abortion but you are too unsophisticated to understand that). They want more malleable voters, voters who don't pay taxes and thus will vote for higher taxes. They want voters who are dependent on the deep state not voters who dislike the deep state. This is a vast left wing conspiracy to steal your country. You didn't see it when Ted Kennedy and the Democrats in congress began increasing legal and illegal immigration in the 60's. You didn't see it when we first gave illegals amnesty in the 80's. Do you see it yet? Today 44 million "Americans" were born somewhere else, how did that happen? Did you get to vote on that? I didn't. We've got 50 million people getting welfare and housing and they can't seem to find jobs and we are "importing" more poor and uneducated people... why? It isn't by accident, it benefits the left. These new "replacement" voters are the left's new plantation and they are going to use them to take your country from you. By the time you notice it there will be no way out.
Make no mistake, the left knows you will be really pissed when you finally figure out that they stole your country from you. Why do you think they are so desperate to disarm you? The left expects that this could all end in a civil war but they know what to do if that happens. Ecuador and Venezuela are their models for how to handle angry citizens. You haven't been paying attention, you had little interest in left wing politicians but they had interest in you. You have the wealth that they need to create their great American socialist country where everything is free (providing you vote for Democrats). It may already be too late to stop them. GoneWithTheWind: Today 44 million "Americans" were born somewhere else, how did that happen?
It's not historically anomalous. Similar percentages of people in the U.S. were foreign-born through much of the 19th century and into the 20th. GoneWithTheWind: Did you get to vote on that? I didn't. Perhaps you are not a U.S. citizen. The U.S. is a democratic, federal, republic. Regular elections are held to vote for representatives that serve in the legislature and presidency. GoneWithTheWind: we are "importing" more poor and uneducated people You mean the Irish Germans Poles Jews Italians Russians Chinese Muslims Hondurans Mexicans? "Similar percentages of people in the U.S. were foreign-born through much of the 19th century and into the 20th."
No where near this number. AND we didn't tax the citizens to support the non-citizens. My feelings about immigration might be different if we weren't paying them all $5000 a month from the taxpayers money. " Regular elections are held to vote for representatives that serve in the legislature and presidency." But they did this on the down lo. They lied to our faces and said they would improve border controls and stop hiring illegals and then in secret stabbed us in the back. I had to fill out an I9 and show my passport to work as required by law and still millions of illegals work and we know who, where and who hires them and still allow it. Our politicians lied/deceived us. This "push" to increase legal and illegal immigration was a grand plan conceived in the dark by Ted Kennedy and the Democrat party and the goal was to steal the country from American. "You mean the Irish Germans Poles Jews Italians Russians Chinese Muslims Hondurans Mexicans?" That must matter to you! It does not matter to me where they come from. What matters to me is the nefarious reason that they are being brought here. So stick your race baiting up your ass. GoneWithTheWind: No where near this number.
Populations were smaller a century or so ago. Percentage is what matters in terms of cultural friction and assimilation. GoneWithTheWind: AND we didn't tax the citizens to support the non-citizens. Many received free land to settle. GoneWithTheWind: My feelings about immigration might be different if we weren't paying them all $5000 a month from the taxpayers money. Turns out that native citizens are a net drain on the U.S. treasury too. Deficits are approaching $1 trillion per year. In any case, the long-term effect of immigration is positive. Children of immigrants are often among the most prosperous taxpayers in the U.S. GoneWithTheWind: That must matter to you! It does not matter to me where they come from. The point is that you're spouting the same insults as previous generations of nativists. Before it was the Irish. Today it is the Mexicans. "The point is that you're spouting the same insults as previous generations of nativists. Before it was the Irish. Today it is the Mexicans."
You forgot the Chinese. I would argue that they received more actual discrimination. The discrimination the Irish received was not against the "Irish" it was against the hordes. There were so many Irish immigrants in Eastern cities and no jobs. Even previous Irish immigrants who were already here and settled when the great Irish Famine caused massive immigration were perplexed with the influx. Predictably the new Irish immigrants without work and unable to fend for themselves became trouble. They adjusted and assimilated after a couple of years. More importantly they spoke English, the key to jobs and assimilation. I have no doubt that Mexicans do see discrimination. I can assure you that if YOU are not Mexican YOU will be discriminated against by the Mexicans who are here. Don't go into a Mexican community in the South West unless you know someone there to vouch for you. I have worked with many Mexicans AND many Americans of Mexican descent (there is a big difference and they choose to create that difference not I). I can count perhaps A 100 or so Mexican Americans who I can call friends. I have had Mexican American babysitters. I have worked for and with Mexican Americans. I have partied and relaxed with Mexican Americans. All of them were great people and I liked them. However that does not mean I should be in favor of illegal immigration AND I have no problem with being opposed to even legal immigration. The isn't discrimination it is simply love of country and an understanding of what is happening to our country. If we don't correct it I believe there will be major social unrest. Some call it a possible civil war, that may be too strong, but I think it will go very badly once it happens whatever it is called.
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GoneWithTheWind
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2018-07-27 17:39
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GoneWithTheWind: You forgot the Chinese.
No, we didn't.
#6.1.1.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-07-28 08:35
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Gee whiz, kiddiez.
That's "original". 😂😂😂 So how does losing feel? I used to wonder, with amusement, why it is socialists always seem to run out of toilet paper. After reading the many stories of socialist utopia in the US, added with the anti ICE camp story this morning, I have come to the conclusion that they just don’t like toilet paper. They seem to love living in squalor.
B. Hammer: I used to wonder, with amusement, why it is socialists always seem to run out of toilet paper.
Lack of functioning markets. Lack of functioning markets, eh? Why is that, do you think?
Sam L: Lack of functioning markets, eh?
We assumed the term "socialist" was being used in the sense of the government owning all the means of production, so it's by definition. There is a functioning market. Probably a store that sells toilet paper right up the street. Probably a functioning restroom close by. Of course, unless it is a fellow WOKE business, you might need to be a paying customer to use the facilities. The paying customer part, would be a huge problem for the ICE protesters. Being good socialist, they want someone else to pay for their life choices. The Socialists have not destroyed the means of production for toilet paper, yet, in Seattle. I'm sure they are working on it! Seems Socialism is very good at destroying what the FREE Market, has built.
re 78% Hillary Clinton, 12% Donald Trump... that's where I am on the "Extremely Detailed Map of the 2016 Election."
Mine is almost the mirror opposite Trump 79, Clinton 16. The Left's selective outrage is NOT "selected"; it is "curated".
"White Privilege": Stand by to be bombarded with crap. Not by VDH, though; by lefties. re 78% Hillary/ 12% Trump,
The good news is that you live in a 53% Hillary/41% Trump district Jaane Fonda? David Halberstam's feeder was a North Vietnamese agent. He won a Pulitzer for The Best and the Brightest
Guy on the radio said that if Trump personally cured cancer, CNN would have on people saying "Trump doesn't care about people with heart disease."
No they wouldn't. They'd be doing a live shoot down the street outside Sloane Kettering talking about all the cancer researchers, doctors, nurses, radiologists and support staff suddenly out of a job and how it's going to devastate the cancer treatment industry all thanks to mean old Mr. Trump. Guy on the radio don't know a thing about how the news media work, do he? Just as an example, one of the biggest unreported stories of the last few years is how, thanks to global trade and capitalism's ability to exploit labor and consumer markets, absolute poverty rates are the lowest they've been possibly in the history of the human race. Famine and mass starvation due to natural disasters may be a thing of the past, but what does the media report? Obesity Epidemic! Turns out everybody on the entire planet having plenty to eat is bad news. Who knew?
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