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Saturday, April 28. 2018
Death is as natural a part of life as is birth. All the same, the idea that a government algorithm out to determine what you are able to do for a family member, on their own nickel, seems dangerously totalitarian to me: A British Toddler’s Socialized Medicine ‘Death Sentence’ Sends Shockwaves Around The World
You can argue that some people have difficulty accepting terminal illness. True, some people do. However, there is a freedom issue missing here. The Brits do not value freedom in the way that we American rebels do.
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Paullie "The Beard" Krugman assures (ASSURES) us that bad care by the NHS is a LIE because it's run by the government.
I wonder if he's made a statement on this little guy.
See also: https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2018/04/25/real-reason-britain-wont-release-alfie-evans-italy/
which is in today's links below.
The death panels are in Obamacare as well. We have not seen them as openly used yet (with a few exceptions, we had one of these Alfie cases here a couple of years ago where the hospital was going to pull the plug on an elderly person, but the hospital got sued and fortunately the woman recovered before they could shut off the machines), but you are constantly being asked questions about whether you smoke, drink, what your other habits are, etc. which are all going into your database for when you are analyzed by the death panel one day and given a thumbs up or down. Note that we also now know that these genealogy outfits are a front for the government collecting your DNA, so that is doubly bad because they are now going to be analyzing the health history of related persons from that database.
Those who are pushing for assisted suicide and euthanasia will have a field day when the baby boomer bubble reaches old age and the nursing homes are full.
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary..."
In theory I accept that the end of life comes to all and when you get certain illnesses/conditions that your days are numbered. However having been given that news myself some years back and I assure you I am still here, I don't know if it is wise or appropriate for the government or anyone to declare that your life is ending and no further care should be given. To me it is little different from those rare but worrisome cases where a family member "helps" mom die while taking care of them or sometimes outright kills them because they have their eye on the inheritance. Little different because it is about the money and with better care the person may well live longer. But who should decide these things? I know in cases where the daughter helped her mother die quicker while she was spending all her money the daughter got jail time for it. They even had the nerve to call it homicide! So if the state helps you along and causes you to die quicker because of money that is different... why?
The idea of a State administrator making end-of-life decisions for a stranger, in contempt of family wishes, is something that I find morally repugnant. It usurps every historic notion of bloodline and family. Having worked with many citizens of the UK over the years I mourn the passing of their once great culture. It's painful to watch it plumb these new depths of depraved thinking to create these horrific milestones.
The end of life is the end of [b]your/b] life. The concept of free ownership of one's life is the main tenant that established the USA. The notion that the authority of The State in a supposedly free, supposedly advanced culture (that in many ways bears more similarities to the USA than any other) is chilling.
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The end of life is the end of your life. The concept of free ownership of one's life is the main tenant that established the USA. It is given to us by our Maker. The notion that the authority of The State in a supposedly free, supposedly advanced culture (that in many ways bears more similarities to the USA than any other) could have the power to condemn a child to death, is beyond chilling. It doesn't matter what his odds of surviving were.
More evidence of something I've said many times before - the US is a nation of immigrants or descendants of immigrants, the people who looked around at the Old Country and said to heck with this, packed up their bags and moved. They may not have had much, they maybe were moving to some place where they had no job, no family, didn't even speak the language, but they had hopes and ambition and were willing to take a risk. The Old Country? Those are the people and the descendants of the people who were too afraid to take that risk. It really shouldn't surprise anybody that those people are somewhat more easily cowed into submission than the average American, the gumption's been selectively bred out of them.
If a society turns over all its medical costs to the public, I can't be too shocked when the public, which has limited resources, rations care. But this situation goes far beyond that. The parents had found another medical facility that would have shouldered the financial burden. The state seems to be saying that it doesn't matter whether the money has run out, it's just important to take the life-or-death decision away from the parents.
Texan - see the article by Kira Davis linked to above.
It is essential to keep the people on the socialist plantation in order to milk them. If people have the freedom to look/go elsewhere the system fails.
This is why socialist countries build walls and restrict their citizen's movement and choice.
Agreed. The state is a blood thirsty ghoul. Which only seeks power and control. Horrible what happened here.
Under UK law, it’s illegal to seek healthcare outside of the NHS.
Ostensibly (this was explained to me by UK citizens, who didn’t necessarilly agree with that law, mind) this is because when you seek healthcare outside of the NHS that care isn’t performed to the high (cough, cough) standards of the NHS and therefore you possibly cause the NHS higher cost later on to correct problems caused by said treatment.
Or that’s how the NHS (and thus the law) reasons in the UK.
And on the face of it, it kinda makes sense, IF the NHS offered great care and had the capacity to fill the full need for healthcare services in the UK, neither of which it can, but both of which it claims to do.
I’m not sure how a similar situation would work in say the US. If you have health insurance, does your insurer have a clause that you’re not going to be get insurance coverage for problems that arrise from procedures performed by doctors not authorised by your insurer? That’d be a similar provision.
As to euthenasia, it’s happening all over Europe on a daily basis, whether it’s legal in the specific country or not.
Where it’s on the face of it illegal it’s just covered up by listing the cause of death as something else, something suitably vague, and quite often the next of kin are unaware and neither they nor the patient ever gave their consent, or they were tricked into consenting by specially trained “end of life counselors”.
They tried to do it with my mother TWICE before she died, once while she was in a coma we had to threaten to call the police when her doctors were determined to remove her from life support because (and that was the stated reason) “we need the bed for someone with a better chance of survival”, second time was shortly after she was diagnosed with cancer when they wanted to talk her into accepting a lethal injection so they could reduce the cost of keeping her alive (they didn’t say it in so many words but that’s what their statements boiled down to).
JTW: Under UK law, it’s illegal to seek healthcare outside of the NHS.
That is incorrect. You can buy both private insurance and private care in the U.K.
The Brits do not value freedom in the way that we American rebels do.
Well if they don't, then the obvious question is what exactly they do value that led them to this point.
They never had that freedom, remember.
While they may feel something’s wrong, they never experienced what it’s like not to be constantly pampered and baby’d by the government, not to have someone standing over you deciding what’s best for you and telling you you should listen to your betters rather than deciding things for yourself.
They simply don’t know better, and with the BBC and the other government controled and sponsored media constantly telling them how bad it is in the US, which most of them never have or will see for real, they simply are convinced that anywhere that does have those freedoms is a land of savages where everyone is dirt poor except for the small super rich elite who rule with an iron fist.
And that’s true for not just the US but most of Europe. Heck, even my sister who’s been to the US numerous times and seen for herself how it’s there believes it.