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Most likely very few American blacks care about it at all, but there is a noisy group in New Orleans who want to get rid of a statue of Andrew Jackson, hero of the Battle of New Orleans. While the entire impulse to erase history seems crazy to me, there is not a single reason to hold anything against Jackson.
His post is grimly amusing, but I think he misses three points: 1)These "rioters" are rent-a-mobs," paid rioters and 2) rioting is fun, especially when you feel you have some sort of legal immunity and 3) I do not know any American blacks who would act like that.
You only know upper class blacks like Obama. When I was growing up in Dorchester, I knew (and feared) lots of blacks like that. "Like that" is probably the entire black underclass, some 10 million to 15 million. Derbyshire's advice is good. Take it.
I can't say that I'm a fan of Andrew Jackson. After all, he pretty much the start of the racist Democrat Party. I do appreciate his saving New Orleans from the British in 1814, though, which is why his statue is in Jackson Square in the first place.
I also support keeping the statue of Lee in Lee Circle. Lee was not a proponent of slavery and I don't believe he even owned any.
IIRC, there is also a statue of Gen. Beauregard. He doesn't seem like such a bad character (even though he was against reconstruction):
As a lifelong Democrat, Beauregard worked to end Republican rule during Reconstruction. His outrage over the perceived excesses of Reconstruction was a principal source for his indecision about remaining in the United States and his flirtation with foreign armies, which lasted until 1875. He was active in the Reform Party, an association of conservative New Orleans businessmen, which spoke in favor of civil rights and voting for the recently freed slaves, hoping to form alliances between African-Americans and Democrats to vote out the Radical Republicans in the state legislature.
There are a lot of Confederate statues in New Orleans. A lot when you consider that New Orleans fell very early in the Civil War so didn't participate in it very much. It would be a shame for them to be taken down.
Native Americans would feel differently, especially descendants of the Five Civilized Tribes who were forcibly removed from their lands by Jackson and removed to Indian Territory (later Oklahoma). This despite having successfully defended their sovereign rights the "legal" way and winning in the U.S. Supreme Court on the issue.
President Jackson famously (although perhaps apochryphally) stated, "Chief Justice John Marshall has made his decision, now let him try to enforce it!" Whether he in fact said it, he continued to violate the tribes' rights unabated by the Supreme Court ruling.
That being said, most Native Americans are not into the grievance industry and probably wouldn't care one way or another about Jackson's statute in NOLA.
Another wrinkle would be that these tribes practiced slavery, had slaves and in the main sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War. (Although they had their own internal splits between tribal members who suppported the Confederacy and those who supported the Union.)
I read, a while back, a comment from someone academic who was quoting current college students. They said that students were astonished to discover that there was slavery elsewhere in the world. They thought that only America had ever had slavery, and was uniquely to blame.
That one kinda haunts me.
The Elephant's Child
Of course, the first slaves in America were the Irish. But nobody talks about that.