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Tuesday, September 13. 2016

A diagnostic question

Hillary's health has little to do with the election in my view, but I am curious about what this movement is which alarmed the press. Any ideas? A tic, a movement disorder, an odd startle reflex?
Posted by Dr. Joy Bliss in Hot News & Misc. Short Subjects at 18:22 | Comments (35) | Trackback (1)

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At first, I thought she was trying to be funny, but she wasn't able to control her reactions. I think it's a mini-seizure that she's trying to pass off as humor. Why do her handlers not look either amused or freaked out (the reporter sure looks surprised.)?
#1 Marinza on 2016-09-13 18:33 (Reply)
I'm no doctor, but it looks like all those people shouting at her at the same time induced a small seizure.

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Also, I think the press is spooked because they didn't realize until yesterday that they are genuinely being lied to when it comes to their candidates' health.

From the clip on Sunday, Hillary appeared to be adjusting something in the area of her lower back using her right hand. When the van pulled up and her people tried to coax her into the vehicle she refused for a moment, almost falling backwards twice, still using her right hand to fiddle with something. Then they hooked their hands under her arms and pulled her forward, at which point her legs gave way completely and they just pulled her into the van, feet dragging.

Right before she was put into the van, something small and metal fell out of Hillary's right pants leg. Exactly what fell out of her pants leg? A clip? For what?? An ostomy bag, as one RN guessed? Was her bulletproof vest clipped in and uncomfortable? What is going on here?

It doesn't seem like Hillary has Parkinson's, but it is not at all clear what is happening...just that something is.

Is it that she
#2 JM01 on 2016-09-13 18:38 (Reply)
"Hillary's health has little to do with the election in my view..."

I'm inclined to agree.

(Consider the health of FDR who still managed to steer your country successfully through a world war being waged in two separate theatres. I'm not comparing Clinton to FDR here, only noting that being in bad health and crippled by polio didn't stop him from getting on with the job at time that was far more perilous and unpredictable than today. Mind you, it did probably kill him though.)
#3 JJM on 2016-09-13 18:47 (Reply)
FDR was revered, admired, and everyone knew of his limiting physical condition.

Hillary is devious, secretive, dishonest, with all the charm of a train wreck, whom if her last name were not Clinton, she'd be a slip and fall lawyer somewhere in Cicero, Illinois.

If she were lucky.
#3.1 Scullman on 2016-09-13 19:47 (Reply)
I'd say you're half right. It didn't stop him from being one of the most destructive presidents in our history.
#3.2 Jack Walter on 2016-09-13 22:44 (Reply)
FDR =Very Poor example. Few people knew he was unable to walk and essentially wheelchair bound.

And while he may have been a master communicator, he was lousy at governance and wartime leadership! His policies extended the Depression for seven years longer than necessary (Harding solved an early '20's Depression equally as bad as the 30's , by cutting federal expenditures by 50% and reducing taxes).

And he literally lost the war to the Soviet Russians (who, don't forget were as responsible for starting the war, as Hitler was.) His poor decision-making as a war time leader cost the US thousands of lives and billions in US treasure and ended up leaving half of Europe under the yoke of Stalin, costing Eastern Europe millions of lives .

FDR's losing the peace gave rise to a 50 year Cold War with all of its consequences, including the Viet Nam debacle.

NO, FDR was a rotten wartime leader. He just had a great PR team!
#3.3 B48 on 2016-09-14 00:38 (Reply)
His brain, though polluted with Collectivist Leftism
(as Jack Walter mentioned),
did not have neurological issues
as Hillary does
which, with all the drugs she has to take
to control the symptoms,
virtually turns the brain into jello.

YOU want that in a President?
Or WORSE: that doesn't MATTER to you?!?
You must be a Democrat.
#3.4 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 05:07 (Reply)
Yes. Despite his physical limitations, FDR managed to make the Depression Great. We are still suffering from the path of destruction he carved through our Republic's institutions.
#3.5 NJSoldier on 2016-09-14 08:15 (Reply)
That's a very much "it depends" situation.
FDR was physically limited, but had lots of assistance, and kept his situation as invisible as possible. It didn't interfere significantly with the performance of his duties.

If conspiracy sites are correct, and this is Parkinson's, I'd be less inclined to agree with your POV. If she's got some neurological issues going on, is prone to seizures, or taking medication that makes her prone to seizures, then I'd also disagree.

However, if her claims are all correct, and it's just bouts of pneumonia and dehydration (though Sunday's episode was neither - that was something else entirely because it was only 77 degrees and not humid in NY at that time), then I'd agree her health isn't an issue.

I haven't cared one way or the other until this weekend. That scared me. Mostly for her and her associates, but also from a decision-making standpoint. What happens if she freezes in a crisis situation?

Sure, you can say Eisenhower, FDR, JFK - all had some health issues. But calling up people who largely hid their health issues from the public, and were still widely loved, doesn't make what they did RIGHT. In fact, it tends to make me question their motivations, and while they may be widely viewed as "successful and loved" (I do not agree with that assessment of any of them, except Ike to a small degree), one shouldn't use past mistakes to justify future ones.
#3.6 Bulldog on 2016-09-14 09:33 (Reply)
CONSPIRACY sites?!?

Man, you really DO belive the garbage the MSM spews out!
#3.6.1 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 10:55 (Reply)
No, frankly I think she was just startled then exaggerated it for humorous effect. It was one of the rare moments where she actually acted like a human rather than a robot.
#4 LWS on 2016-09-13 19:29 (Reply)
"startled"?
AT EXACTLY *WHAT*?!?

It takes ALOT of DENIAL
to try to see nothing wrong in that vid.
#4.1 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 05:11 (Reply)
There was another, longer clip of the incident. She had been focusing on answering a question to a man in front of her then the cute girl who is surprised by HRC's reaction in the GIF attached to this blog entry asked her a question quickly. The impression I got from watching the longer clip was that HRC was not expecting the sudden question coming from that direction and she jerked initially when the hot girl asked her question. Then HRC started with the head jerking, mocking her own initial reaction. That's just my take on it. It came off to me as HRC genuinely having a bit of fun.

BTW, I support Trump. I just think this incident is about on par with the recording of Mooch saying "why'd he do that?"
#4.1.1 LWS on 2016-09-14 09:17 (Reply)
Some of these clips do make her look like she's having a seizure, but unfortunately they're always edited and looped in a way that deliberately exaggerates the effect, which leaves me less convinced than I might otherwise be. On the other hand, she never tells the truth when a lie will do, so my operating assumption often is that the truth is the opposite of whatever she says.
#5 Texan99 on 2016-09-13 20:32 (Reply)
Agreed that these vids are often manipulated and Hillary's default response is mostly to deflect and deceive.
#5.1 Exasperated on 2016-09-14 08:02 (Reply)
Most people, e.g. doctors and nurses, with medical training that have seriously considered her past medical history and recurrent recent symptoms recognize that Hillary suffers from some type of neurological disorder. It could be Parkinson's disease or some form of epilepsy.
#6 R. Shearer on 2016-09-13 20:34 (Reply)
I would certainly agree that neurological disorder is distinctly possible but I wouldn't necessarily say that epilepsy is an exclusion criterion for being president though.
#6.1 Jones on 2016-09-13 22:41 (Reply)
It is painfully apparent none of you knuckledraggers recognize a Reptilian Mating Nod when you see one. Haven't any of you been to Key West?
#7 Talnik on 2016-09-13 21:08 (Reply)
"she was just startled then exaggerated it for humorous effect."

bingo! she had done that same "trick" before & got a "laugh" -- BUT, her poor "humor" judgment made her think it was "funny" & it was inappropriate & not funny in a different situation.

also she has pneumonia:) she recently looked PUFFY & probably had started the big initial dose of methylprednisone (for swollen vocal cords?) plus antibiotics, & that initial prednisone rush combined with feeling sick-ish: suddenly syncope. also, she's probably evil.
#8 schweinerei on 2016-09-13 22:08 (Reply)
No individual event should be definitive. The aggregate is what matters.

A neurological tic or even a collection of them would be the least of our worries. Even if real and temporarily ( a few seconds or so) disabling, they pass. Deteriorating conditions are what matter. I was not convinced at first. I am growing concerned.

As for FDR, many adults knew he was increasingly wheelchair bound but it was an era in which people didn't mention such things. Children did not know, or knew only by rumor that "something" was up. And most adults certainly did not know the extent of his incapacity.
#9 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2016-09-13 22:35 (Reply)
I'd be careful about using FDR as an example as well. I read an account from Churchill about meeting him either before or in the early days of WWII, and being impressed with his upper body strength at that time. This was also before the polio vaccine and mass immunizations for childhood diseases so it was likely not that unusual for an otherwise healthy adult to have after-effects from a childhood encounter with polio, mumps, or measles.

I was having lunch last Saturday with the group of guys that operate and maintain equipment at the railroad museum I volunteer for. They were joking that during the last run of the season they were going to have a party for all the crew members that turned 70 this year - I'm one of the 'youngsters' in the group at 55! Everyone now knows reasonable healthy and active adults in their sixth and seventh decade of life, even ones who have survived encounters with cancer or heart problems. I don't know who Hillary's people think they are fooling. She does not give the appearance of someone who is in good health for her age.
#9.1 Christopher B on 2016-09-14 07:35 (Reply)
For such wealthy people, both she and Bill have aged remarkably badly.

Honestly, I haven't looked closely at a photo of Hillary Clinton in years. When I watched that clip on Sunday I was concerned, and looking at other photos of her only has me more concerned. She looks like hell.

Hillary kept a low profile this summer and mostly stuck to dinner party fundraisers; yet even though this 'grueling' schedule gave her pneumonia we're supposed to think that she's in robust health? Really? There's something going on here.
#9.1.1 JM01 on 2016-09-14 08:46 (Reply)
What becomes overwhelmingly apparent with HRC is that in this matter of her health, along with so many other events in her life, she is trying to manipulate us rather than simply telling us the truth. I know enough medicine to know that no one can make a fair diagnosis based off the media reports. And I know enough about people to know that someone who ruthlessly, persistently insults my intelligence cannot possibly ever have my interests in mind.
#10 ama on 2016-09-14 02:52 (Reply)
Lie and deny are the Clintons' default responses
#10.1 LWS on 2016-09-14 09:24 (Reply)
Right. To quote Judge Judy, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining". I have no faith that Hillary would voluntarily disclose a health condition that might make some people question her fitness for the Presidency.

So all we are left with is obfuscations, suspicions, and one really weird video clip.
#10.2 JM01 on 2016-09-15 10:47 (Reply)
"Hillary's health has little to do with the election..."
REALLY?!?

1) Benghazi may be "old news" to some...
2) The ethical character of a person
"deleting thousands of classified emails"
may be too abstract an issue for others.
3) BUT: not knowing if the next President
might have brain-disabling disorders
and up and die in a moment?!?

LITTLE TO DO WITH THE ELECTION?!?

Not for anyone who cares about the future of this country.
#11 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 04:54 (Reply)
Please see this video on YouTube
TITLE: "Hillary's 9/11 Crisis: Analysis of the Zdenek Gazda Video"

(don't know if this site allows hyperlinks)
#12 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 05:22 (Reply)
A Dr. Wolf's opinion in the article:
"Here’s what an actual doctor says about that Hillary collapse video and it’s not good"
#13 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 06:54 (Reply)
Oh, an actual doctor? They're so rare these days, I'm amazed you found one.

And they all agree, of course. So there's no need to look for any other possible explanations.
#13.1 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2016-09-14 14:06 (Reply)
Another YouTube video of note:
"Malzberg | Prominent Muslim American MD: Hillary Didn't Pass Out From Dehydration"
#14 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 07:52 (Reply)
This doctor begs to differ with the DNC:
YouTube: "Hillary Clinton - Ground Zero Analysis"
#15 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 07:56 (Reply)
In the most recent example where she is dumped in the van after leaving the 9/11 ceremony early it appears to me that she does not feint as her head stays up but in fact the problem is her ability to move. You can see here legs "stutter" and out of control and being held up and carried along by her staff and Secret service. She seems to be having a neurological event and not pneumonia or feinting. What is distressing is that her staff seems prepared and unconcerned as if this happens often. They quickly take action to shield her from view rather than the more obvious response which would be concern for her health if this were out of the blue.
#16 GoneWithTheWind on 2016-09-14 10:44 (Reply)
If you go to the linked video referenced in #15 (above yours), you will see a very detailed analysis of the event.
#16.1 kauf buch on 2016-09-14 10:58 (Reply)
Yes - the (non) reaction of her staff may be more disturbing than her collapse.
#16.2 NJSoldier on 2016-09-14 11:51 (Reply)
I can see how a gaggle of millennial news girls chirping in her face could be triggering, but there's something seriously wrong with Hillary. With the media all-in on the communicable pneumonia diagnosis, I can see her bowing out of the debates and letting Obama keep campaigning on her behalf.

NKVDknickerbocker 3 point plan:

1. Sell infectious pneumonia lie.
2. Keep Hillary in hiding. A few very short appearances when she's pumped full of prednisone or whatever.
3. Use Obama, celebrities & MSM to drag her over the finish line.
#17 forest on 2016-09-14 10:53 (Reply)

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