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Wednesday, September 7. 2016Wednesday morning linksCats are bird killers. These animal experts let theirs outside anyway. I’m an Adult Woman, and I Call My Mother Three Times a Day The Mammoth Pirates - In Russia's Arctic north, a new kind of gold rush is under way. (h/t NYM) College Students Told All White People Are Racist What Liberals Don’t Get: Blacks Often Hurt by Government Regulation The $15 minimum wage is racist SF official suggests taking slaveholders’ names off schools Connecticut Limits Free Speech Using Campaign Finance Rules Cillizza: Can we just stop talking about Hillary Clinton’s health now? Rationing Health Care in Great Britain No surgery for overweight people VDH: The Virtue-Mongers The wealthy, the influential, the intelligentsia, and the cultural elite all broadcast their virtues — usually at a cut-rate rhetorical price — to offset their own sense of sin (as defined by feelings of guilt), or in fear that their own lives are antithetical to the ideologies they espouse, or sometimes simply as a wise career move. Sin these days is mostly defined as race/class/gender thought crimes. Wearing a mask of virtue is done not to save one’s soul for eternity but to still feel good about enjoying privilege. Greenfield: American presidents were meant to retire. They were never supposed to use taxpayer money to set up cabals. It was unthinkable for them to solicit foreign rulers in a bid to return to power. VDH again: The Strange Case of Mexican Emigration:
Trump's call for high-skill immigration is no 'hate speech' Republicans for Clinton: Why we oppose Trump Canadian Partnership Shielded Identities of Donors to Clinton Foundation UN human rights office accused of 'bizarre' behaviour after condemning the 'free market' Human Rights office condemns freedom? Renewed Turkey-Kurds conflict has killed nearly 2,000 Syrian Army, Hezbollah Readying to Launch Large-Scale Operation at Border with Israel Trackbacks
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Woman talks to mom- Uh, big deal. So you're friends, seems like a great thing. Maybe nuclear family was overrated.
John Stubbs GOP NeverTrumps- He doth protest too much. No substance to his whining. Self-contradictory writing doesn't impress me. High skill immigration- Is immoral and myopic. It is exploitation of other nations' resources. Let them improve their own countries, like Wallace, Cromwell and the US Founding fathers did. Cats are bird and rodent killers. Birds are bird, fish, small mammal, bug and worm killers. Fish are fish, mammal, eel, amphibian and shrimp killers. Mammals are mammal, bird and fish killers.... And so it goes. How arrogant of us to think we can affect all of that by letting a pet cat out the door.
Domestic cats can represent an over-proportion of predators, as they rarely live strictly on wild game.
A well-cared for, neutered cat, in a rural area, probably doesn't represent an environmental problem. Birds and mice will breed away from the human domicile. On the other hand, if most every house in suburbia has a cat, there will be few song birds. Large feral populations or 'cat-lady' homes, can be seriously detrimental to the local environment, including causing disease and violence in an overly dense feral population. My understanding is that cat ladies keep them all inside with them.
Domestic cats are not native to most of the world.
Thus they all function as feral, invasive species when outside. Industrialized cows, pigs, lambs, and chickens, on the other hand, are so feral and invasive when outside that we keep them locked inside in stocks or pens of filth all their days and find other ways of basically torturing them until they die.
It's always amazing to see instinctive - and typically instinctive and unthought - dislike of cats coordinate with a generally inhumane attitude for anything but dogs and horses. Or pets. Pets are special. My wife and I have had four cats over the years. All girls, only one killer. Current class are all house-bound.
No, cats, who are mostly well-fed semi-domesticated animals have no need to kill birds in the numbers they do! And that kill ratio affects the ecological balance of any area where birds make a positive contribution, such as EATING FRIGGIN" ZIKA CARRYING MOSQUITOES!!!
The solution is to use simple devices on cats, which aid birds in discerning pending attacks. Such devices as a colorful and comfortable broad cloth collar can make a difference. Plus it helps prevent humans from discovering those nasty "gifts," cats bring in to show their affection for you! QUOTE: Greenfield: American presidents were meant to retire. They were never supposed to use taxpayer money to set up cabals. It was unthinkable for them to solicit foreign rulers in a bid to return to power. "Sure, Trump is authoritarian racist, but the Clintons have a foundation that provides health care to AIDS patients, so they're the same." If you didn't have fallacious and dishonest things to post, you wouldn't post at all.
Oh, well that's not such a bad thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3rncq9/confession_of_hillary_shill_from/ DrTorch,
You forgot to make a substantive reply. Gee whiz, Trump was a birther until, well, he's probably still a birther. He just won't talk about it any more. Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation provides life-saving medicine for millions of HIV and malaria patients. Try again. (Our comments represent our true opinion. If we are wrong, then you should be able to address the arguments, and we will honestly consider your response.) Z: Gee whiz, Trump was a birther until, well, he's probably still a birther.
Gee whiz, Clinton was a (the original) birther until, well until she was picked for Secretary of State.
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2016-09-07 11:02
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My mistake, it was supporters of hers who started birtherism. I do notice her refutation of the opinion that Obama was not born in the US started when Trump advanced it and not when her supporters did.
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2016-09-07 11:15
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mudbug: My mistake, it was supporters of hers who started birtherism.
Which they then dropped as there was no justification. It was then picked up by Republicans, who drove it for years, not merely by supporters, but by major right-wing media sources, as well as prominent Republican politicians, including the current Republican standard-bearer, Donald Trump. mudbug: I do notice her refutation of the opinion that Obama was not born in the US started when Trump advanced it and not when her supporters did. That is incorrect. It never had currency with any major figure in the Democratic Party.
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Zachriel
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2016-09-07 11:20
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A claim by an openly political group is no guarantee of fact...
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Jess1
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2016-09-07 13:21
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True enough, however, they don't just state their claim, but support their claim with facts. The fact is that Clinton never made any birther claims, while Trump did so repeatedly for years. Even now, he has refused to repudiate those views.
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Zachriel
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2016-09-07 13:27
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Because the evidence supports it.
Hmmm, you left out that relevant fact.
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DrTorch
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2016-09-07 13:32
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"Claims" =/= facts
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Jess1
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2016-09-07 14:36
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Jess1: "Claims" =/= facts
Once again we agree, which is why the citation provides evidence to support their conclusion. You might object to their argument, but simply waving your hands doesn't constitute an argument.
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Zachriel
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2016-09-07 15:05
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You've been shown to be wrong frequently, yet never change.
You post untruths regularly and repeatedly. Don't expect others to take their valuable time to address your manufactured lies. DrTorch: Don't expect others to take their valuable time to address your manufactured lies.
Yet you have time to wave your hands and cast aspersions. DrTorch: You post untruths regularly and repeatedly. Are you saying that Trump didn't question Obama's citizenship? Or that the Clinton Foundation hasn't worked to provide low-cost HIV medicine to millions of people?
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Zachriel
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2016-09-07 10:57
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Zack...you're delusional, at best. Just my opinion...others may feel differently.
Dale: you're delusional
World Health Organization: "The United States former President Clinton established the Clinton HIV/AIDS Initiative (CHAI) in 2002 to lessen discrimination and to close the gap in treatment access. This was accomplished by negotiating lower prices for lifesaving antiretroviral treatment (ARV) and by working with governments to improve the national health care systems required to deliver crucial medicines." Go talk to Haiti about how 'charitable' the Clintons are. I'll wait...
Ha! Clinton Crime Family Foundation negotiated something? WHO? And when? Where's the evidence, except for vague references on the CCFF website?
Now, OTOH, the CCFF's own tax returns show that the monies donated to the so-called Foundation are: Poorly accounted for; and used mostly (over 90%!!!) for salaries and office and travel expenses for Foundation employees and officers, e.g. Bill, Hill and Chelsea Hubbell-Clinton! B48: Where's the evidence?
Clinton Foundation helped 9 million with lower-cost AIDS drugs Clinton Makes Up for Lost Time in Battling AIDS B48: Poorly accounted for; and used mostly (over 90%!!!) for salaries and office and travel expenses for Foundation employees and officers Salary and travel expense are itemized on their tax returns, and distinguish between overhead and program expenses. The tax returns are audited by PricewaterhouseCoopers. Their program percentage is 88%.
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Zachriel
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2016-09-07 11:27
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Hillary isn't authoritarian? You're joking! She and her sycophants believe she is above the law (just like her husband was - "he's not above the law and he's not below the law" which means he must be the law). She, like Obama and others on the left, believe it is in their purview to dictate a person's conscience. She proposes to open immigration regardless of the law. She is against school choice. She routinely treats the Secret Service like crap (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/secret-service-agent-says-good/). The list goes on...
Hillary is not a racist? "F*ing Jew bastard!" - Hillary Clinton “I love this quote. It’s from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Gandhi, do you still go to the gas station?” asked Clinton. She and de Blasio joked about "colored people's time." mudbug: Hillary isn't authoritarian?
Clearly not. She's a center-left politician, and worked with both Democrats and Republicans when she was in the Senate. mudbug: Hillary is not a racist? Clinton currently has higher support among minorities, including blacks, than Obama did when he ran for president. the cat article is another example of people with too much time on their hands.
My dog is, at the moment, attempting to kill the groundhog (one of them) that has been invading my tomato patch and taking big bites out of the best beefsteaks. Everything is food to another. Circle of life. The "College Students Told All White People Are Racist" would've probably irked me as lately as last week.
But over the weekend, my 80 year old mother suggested to me that all white people are naturally racist. I began to realize just how pervasive the nonsense in the media is now. Because this is a woman who raised her children, all of them, to respect people regardless of their ethnicity, skin color, religion, etc. She worked hard to make sure we recognized the value of all people. When I was too young to remember, and living in Memphis, TN, she marched in Mississippi and Tennessee for civil rights. She was always proud of the work we did by volunteering in minority communities, and pushed us to stretch our limits. Somehow, over the course of the last 8 years, after watching different degrees of racial inequalities slowly melt away for the previous 72 years, she decided we are 'more racist' today than ever before. I can only blame the media. Because there is no way you can convince me that things are not better today than they were in 1964, or 1980. And I told her that I was sorry to hear her say she felt that way, because I don't consider myself racist - regardless of what others may believe. I don't have to live up to someone else's beliefs on what racism is or isn't. I have to live up to my own moral code, and my moral code is to not engage meaningless things like race. But since the government DOES engage these things, they certainly are issues which come up in conversation, and they certainly do become considerations even when I don't want them to be. So I can, with complete honesty, say that IF I am racist, it's only because the government has forced me to be so. Are we, as my mom suggests, all racist, and even more so than 10, 20 or 30 years ago? I'm sticking with no. But shining a light on a few issues is never a bad thing - as long as you don't use those issues to stereotype. But that's what seems to be happening. I'm coming to the realization that if something is in the news, many times it's not in the news because it's happening all the time. If something did happen all the time, it would be boring and not worth mentioning. It's more likely in the news because it's so rare, it's actually quite surprising. For an 80 year old woman, making that distinction is probably getting more difficult with age. Bulldog: Because there is no way you can convince me that things are not better today than they were in 1964, or 1980.
Things are certainly better today than in 1964, or 1980. However, the election of a black as President has brought out overt racist elements in society. This process is being repeated with the misogyny surrounding Clinton. You know: Two steps forward, one step back. Sure, it couldn't possibly be Obama's incompetence, or Hillary's criminality. No sir, ma'am! It's racism and misogyny straight up!
Too bad the 'identity' fetishists couldn't have found two competent specimens to advance their made up world. Erasmus: Sure, it couldn't possibly be Obama's incompetence, or Hillary's criminality. No sir, ma'am! It's racism and misogyny straight up!
Not everyone who is politically opposed to Obama or Clinton are racist or misogynist; but there is a clearly a strain of racism and misogyny that has found voice in response to their acquisition of power. The demographics of America are changing, and it makes many people very uncomfortable. Meanwhile, the Republican Party allowed this strain of bigotry to fester, such as the birther movement, and now it is a Frankenstein's monster devouring the Republican Party. That excuse has been used by Democratic campaigns consistently: "Oh no, it can't possibly be something any of us are doing to exacerbate division! It must be those evil racists and misogynists on the other side!" Unfortunately, the only evidence for this is mind-reading. I'm not sure what sort of evidence even could be offered for your claim.
It's just convenient for you to believe it, and as usual, not have the least qualifier that your heroes could be even 1% at fault. On the other hand, there has been evidence right from the start of Obama making racially divisive comments. He has inserted himself into police and criminal matters before he has seen the evidence, announcing his impressions and assigning blame. That is completely inappropriate for a president to do, yet he has continued throughout his presidency. As for the birther claim, you did not note that it was a Clinton supporter who started it off - which would be exactly the sort of measured response that indicated you actually wished to discuss things and arrive at the truth rather than simply attack anyone who disagrees with you. It is noted in the link, but both politifact and factcheck erred in declaring any connection to the Clintons false. They did not find any connection, but that is not proof that there is none. They should more properly have called it unsubstantiated. Much less fun when they are trying to sell fishwrap, but more honest. "False" should be used when there is actual counterevidence, not absence of evidence. Assistant Village Idiot: It's just convenient for you to believe it, and as usual, not have the least qualifier that your heroes could be even 1% at fault.
There's a lot of things wrong with Clinton, but such a discussion isn't possible when people keep making stuff up. Assistant Village Idiot: They did not find any connection, but that is not proof that there is none. Sure, because making stuff up and treating it as true is so much better. There's a difference between someone somewhere in the Democratic Party saying something, and a multi-year campaign of birtherism by major right-wing media, powerful Republican politicians, and the Republican standard-bearer. What 'overt racist elements' are you talking about? The BLM movement, which is decidedly anti-white? The fact that colleges are now offering black-only dorms? (It's like the 1950s all over again, but now they are CHOOSING to segregate themselves, so that makes it ok.) The fact that Obama jumps to the defense of hundreds of black criminals who were in jail for serious offenses and gives them pardons, but not the white criminals with the same history? The fact that Obama tells schools to stop disciplining black children in schools who disobey the rules? I could go on and on.
Obama has expanded the divide between races in this country. Instead of trying to be inclusive and heal the wounds in certain communities, he stoked the flames and gave these people a platform (BLM invited to the White House for example). Go back to 2007. Why are we worse off now when we've had a black president? Where was the outreach to ALL Americans? Instead, he created a bigger rift by insisting that criminal blacks were justified in their anger, their bitterness and their dislike of authority. MissT: What 'overt racist elements' are you talking about?
“If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say," about a Muslim Gold Star family. “He’s a Mexican,” on why a judge can't give him a fair hearing. "I have a birth certificate. People have birth certificates. He doesn't have a birth certificate," questioning the citizenship of America's first black president. And that's just the Republican standard-bearer, Donald Trump. Little of the Clinton Foundation money actually goes to legitimate charitable activities. About 85% of its charitable grants are simply to other "foundations" controlled by the Clintons, and are used for things like throwing conferences for the Clintons and keeping their political machine fed and housed as "employees." The "AIDS" efforts are merely a front, just like "breast examinations" are the front Planned Parenthood used to cover up the fact they are the largest abortion mill in the United States. The Clinton Foundation is one of the largest money-laundering operations set up in the history of the United States.
You can believe that - however flawed your logic is, and it is quite flawed.
But since you admit I'm correct, I'll simply say that it shows how terribly flawed my mother's point of view is. Yet I'll also point out that her point of view has become somewhat common currency - that we're all just a bunch of racists. Sorry, not buying it. Even if there were 2 steps forward for one step back (and there hasn't been - but believe what you want), things are BETTER. Which means on any relative scale, we're not all just racists. Because if we were, things wouldn't have improved. More importantly, the idea that a "transformative" president who was going to "bridge the racial divide" but has failed massively in that endeavor simply indicates that perhaps we were further along BEFORE he tried to be transformative. In other words, given my mother's point of view - her shift in the last 8 years, that is - Obama's so-called 'leadership' is the CAUSE of any step back. I know, you're 100% sold that it's a Republican/alt-Right conspiracy. Good for you. I'm not. There are elements that have played a role in it, sure. But the REAL gremlin that has caused the "one step back" you perceive is you and all your politically correct cronies baying over increasingly rare instances of racism and turning them into stereotypes. You really need to find another bridge to live under, you troll. Bulldog: Obama's so-called 'leadership' is the CAUSE of any step back.
No, his blackness is the cause. Imagine if he ever lost his cool! The angry black man. The move to undermine the legitimacy of Obama as president goes back to the first few weeks of his presidency. Do you want evidence? Would it make a difference? If you keep telling people that Obama is not the legitimate president of the United States, you not only alienate blacks and undermine democracy, but you create a dynamic where people don't understand why Obama hasn't been removed from office. Keep in mind that Trump is a birther. Bulldog: I know, you're 100% sold that it's a Republican/alt-Right conspiracy. No. Conspiracy isn't the correct term. Rather, instead of calling out birthers, and other such nonsense, moderates allowed the boil to fester until it has become a danger to the Republican Party, and to the political health of the nation. Bulldog: You really need to find another bridge to live under Heavens to Betsy! Maggie's Farm claims to be "politically centrist", and our views are really quite conventional. Obama and his party have taken every opportunity possible to inflame racial and ethnic tension and violence. This includes coordinating and backing the BLM movement and encourage them to riot, disrupt and attack police, and instructing the Justice Department to call police forces racist and demand their takeover and replacement. It is similar to what has been done by the Obama administration to destroy and destabilize much of the rest of the U.S., including destruction of the healthcare system through Obamacare, facilitating the invasion of America by illegals and refugees, and the degrading and taking over of the military by political correctness spies now installed in every unit whose function is to report on every act that is not in line with Obama policies. The purge of hundreds and hundreds of officers in the military who have refused to go along with Obama's directives, or who have been deemed to be politically incorrect and therefore summarily removed from command for the euphemistic "failure to inspire confidence" is shocking.
This dude is such an insufferable asshole.
Stop answering him. It's his entire life. Yeah, Zach is a well-paid collective troll. His/her/Its job is being an "insufferable asshole". Tough, but some unthinking, immature, basement-dwelling socialists have to do it!
Bonus: And it keeps them from joining so many protests riots.
MF used to be one of my favorite spots to learn and share the world around us. BD and friends always put much effort into their posts and offer a delightful menu of topics.
Since the Z invaded the space, this site has become intolerable to face. I am the last to criticize a healthy debate, but the first to discriminate against someone who makes unfounded, highly biased arguing a full time career. He needs to be restrained before he ruins a well designed and useful blog. Frankly, I avoid looking at the comments section, which used to be one of best around, because of this contentious person infiltrating every pore of every post. Out, out, damn spot! Yup. When I see his name on the blame line, I more often than not skip his comment.
Human Rights Office condemns freedom
"You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means." Inigo Montoya, "the Princess Bride" You have to remember what "Freedom" means in the POMO, neo-Marxist, Orwellian progressive mindset. Freedom does not mean a state of individual choice and receipt of the consequences of one's actions. In their tilted perspective, freedom represents a state where all of an individual's needs are provided by a benevolent government from cradle to grave (or bypassing cradle all together, as abortion on demand for parental convenience is one of those freedoms that the government must provide). And by definition, if the government does not, or cannot provide it, it is not a true need. They've reversed Big Brothers dictum. Instead of "Freedom is Slavery", they espouse slavery as the only true freedom. The arguments made by the advocacy groups for People of Color are very similar to the arguments those with Axis II Personality Disorders use, especially those with Borderline Personality Disorder.
In specific, the claims that "you can never understand," that you must "only listen," and the belief that "if you do not agree then you must not have understood" are common among those with Borderline Personality Disorder, especially in crisis. I hear them all the time. they are not merely disordered thinking and illogical. They offer (some) insight into the personality structure behind them. This is not surprising, as people with Personality Disorders often love advocacy work. They supply sleepless energy because they fear annihilation if they don't have externals to remind them of their value. However, it is the concentration of people with Cluster B traits in victim-rights groups that is alarming, as their personal psychological needs begin to take over the whole show. Environmentalists, union members, and religious groups will have some people like this, but never so many. Once such people have taken over the leadership positions, it is difficult for the more reasonable rank-and-file members to wrest control back. What usually happens is that the group then implodes, with the Personality Disorders immediately blaming the others and looking elsewhere for a new group. That's a very interesting comment AVI. Many thanks.
Question: What are Cluster B traits? From Der Wiki...
Cluster B personality disorders are a categorization of personality disorders as defined in the DSM-IV and DSM-5.[1] There are four recognized Cluster B personality disorders: Antisocial personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.7): a pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others. Borderline personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.83): extreme "black and white" thinking, instability in relationships, self-image, identity and behavior often leading to self-harm and impulsivity. Histrionic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.50): pervasive attention-seeking behavior including inappropriately seductive behavior and shallow or exaggerated emotions. Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81): a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. Yeah, I can see a good bit of that there in the BLM and other advocacy groups... Before I forget, H.R.5418 needs passage to prevent the U.S. control of the Internet from being passed to the U.N. by certain people on October 1st. This is critical to our national security as such action would allow the U.N. to control information flow. For more info:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr5418/text re I’m an Adult Woman, and I Call My Mother Three Times a Day
Mrs feeblemind's daughter calls her almost daily, but probably averages twice a day over the course of the week. Mrs. feeblemind says she calls so often because she grew up with a cell phone and she generally calls when traveling from point A to point B. I believe it also has to do with the fact that she is single and has no one to sound off to after work. My thinking is that she will call much less often after she is married. |