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Wednesday, August 3. 2016
Is he a genius, a lunatic, or an idiot?
Please discuss. I have no answer. I vote for Mike Pence who I wish would slap some sense into The Donald who appears to be on some unhinged and uninformed ego trip. Politics is reality TV, but a certain kind of more serious reality TV which actually has effects on lives. I might be wrong...
He needs to know that he is a yuuuge target now. He signed up for that. Suck it up, Buttercup as Megan would say.
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Lest we forget, Mitt was vilified and demonized by the pathological left and the media, and he was practically a saint.
I'm not sure it matters what Trump says or does. What we do know is that being wonkish, refined and above it all gets you exactly nowhere.
Thanks, but I take no credit for it, nor did I see it coming. I don’t know what is going on. I live an hour north of Boston. I’ve seen maybe a dozen yard signs and a half dozen bumper stickers, Trump and Bernie having the edge. Everyone I work with is close mouthed. If the polls are to be believed, DJT seems to be holding his own. If Trump is soooo bad, I wonder why the Dem and media histrionics and why Hillary is not wiping the floor with him. It must be as embarrassing for her, as it was for the GOPe candidates, to be neck and neck with a “clown and blowhard”. Could it be that millions of people see through the hype and realize it’s theater, that he is doing what he has to do to manipulate the media.
I think it might be a mistake to think this election is ALL about Trump, granted few could have stood up to the onslaught and he could self fund. So as much as this might be about Trump, it is also about the Middle. The other candidates were ham strung by selling out to the Globalists and the Financialists; that is why the self funding was key.
"Everyone I work with is close mouthed." I'd guess that means they'll vote for Trump.
Idiot works for me. In my 35 years in business I've seen self promoters of every type. Some start off with some talent or privilege and some are honest about who they are. They never change. Trump can work a crowd but can't go on from there. He never could take the leap and work well with others to really go for the big deal. Always an outsider who doesn't understand how to get inside
WilliamE: You cannot win the presidency as a Non-Democrat in this country, unless you find some way to attack the media and get around them to get your message out. McCain and Romney tried to finesse the media and it got them nothing. ……………
Now you can win local or state elections that way, but when the full media gets going on one candidate it is impossible to be the nice boy and win. Look what Joe Biden did to Paul Ryan in the VP debates, look what CNN did to undercut Romney in the Presidential debate. It is a daily hammering on everything and anything. Making up lie after lie, that then is repeated over and over again in the media, baiting public figures, selective editing and quoting, misrepresentation, omissions, and so on......... Sitting there and being reasonable will get you no where.
You have only one option - Attack. The aggressor at least has the chance of setting the narrative. Yes you can fall on bombs and stub your toe, but at least you fight on your terms and it's probably cheaper. You force them to use their resources and efforts to defend themselves.
Just holding congress will accomplish nothing, considering Democrat presidents know that congress will do nothing to them if they appoint themselves king for 4-8 years.
Obama proved that. If Hillary wants to just let in 25 million people, (she can), ban guns (she can), set up a national police force (she can) and no judge or congress (at least a Ryan/McConnell run one) will stop her. To put it bluntly we now have one branch of government - The Executive branch.
So aggression is the only political move left, other moves that might change this situation are outside the scope of politics and elections.
I agree. I'll put up with his foot in mouth statements if he will fight for the people of this country and damned the old line politicians and PC idiots.
As noted by JJM, the answer is obviously yes. Another answer is he's obviously not Hillary.
Also, no matter what he says, even if it's 'hello' the media will carefully 'splain to us that it was either a code word or a dog whistle or an out and out blatant statement shown how racist, homophobic, ill informed, etc. he is, though his track record suggests different.
Remember his 'unhinged and uninformed ego trip' got him the nomination.
I suspect that his 'unhinged and uninformed ego trip' is the only thing that can counter the barrage of the democrat media etc.
Yes, of course he could have responded about Khan differently, but if he had done so, Khan's 2 or so minutes about his heroic son (I'm not contesting that) followed by 8 or so minutes of anti-Trump hatred would have stood as why the only real choice is (shutter) Hillary.
If Trump had made a conventional, politic, response lauding the Khan family for their sacrifice, pausing before adding a 'but', I suspect the elder Khan would still be views as a democrat hero.
However, since Trump stuck his foot in Khan's mouth it's come out that he, Khan, does not understand the US Constitution, has written numerous learned papers on islamic law, is a representative of the firm that does Clinton's taxes, helps rich middle easterners enter the US, etc.
Trump's latest gaffe as reported by the press (Latest I've read, I haven't checked the news for at least 10 minutes and in that time they've probably thrown a hundred more against the wall, hoping some will stick.) was to ask 3, count them, times why we can't use nuclear weapons. In my opinion it's a legitimate question, we, the public need to know that, have it explained, have it repeated often.
Hillary on the other hand, after the fact, would simply ask 'At this point, what difference does it make?'
So I have to admit yes. of course he is all of the above and then some, but he is OUR all of the above and he has my vote!
"Is he a genius, a lunatic, or an idiot?"
He's by an order of magnitude the best campaigner I've ever seen in American politics. He does it his way, and he makes it work. He plays the press like a maestro. They keep fooling themselves that his statements are gaffes, but they're not - they're attacks, constant, unremitting, successful and effective attacks; a sound strategy when one is surrounded by enemies (the Press, the punditocracy, the D'rats, and the GOP poobahs, all inveterately hostile). I particularly enjoyed the press outrage when they realized that they'd given him gobs of free coverage; but they can't help themselves ... and Trump knows it.
He had no trouble at all demolishing the other Republican candidates - as fine a lot of plodding, dull, unimaginative, uninspiring, and insipid nobodys as ever formed an anchor around a party's neck. And he demonstrated that they can't raise enough money to simply buy the election. (It's nice to see that every now and then.)
So, what is he? Just a modern P.T. Barnum? Well, there are worse things a candidate can be. Like, say, an unindicted felon.
Anybody who thinks Trump's just a buffoon and all this happened by lucky chance probably thinks the atomic bomb was built by accident, too.
Will he make a good President? I have no idea. Neither does anyone else. But as a candidate, his performance to date has been dazzling.
Yes to Tom and Jim! Trump's playing 3D chess while you old timers are still playing McCain/ Romney checkers, trying to be the nice guy, who always loses.
As for President who knows? Lincoln was roundly reviled as an ignorant, countrified gorilla and literally had to sneaker into DC prior to his first term. FDR for all his "experience" caused the Depression to last seven years longer than necessary and fell for Joe Stalin's tricks, condemning the US to 40 years of Cold War. JFK was a shallow playboy senator of little note, except he was handsome and Joe's kid. Wilson was a vile racist and scientific progressive oligarch.
The best, brightest and most prepared candidate? Nixon, by far and we know what that got us!
I'll take my chances with a successful non-politician like Trump. Trying to create a single real estate development gives you all the training in politics you'll ever need to know.
He's all that and more--looking forward to the spectical of his spontaneous combustion
Donald Trump is 70 years old, as successful developer/businessman and has no history of mental illness in his family. So lunatic and idiot are out. Genius? Maybe, but really he's not trying to join the professional politician club so he doesn't have to change his modus operandi. This really angers the media and the "professionals" as they use their club rules to maintain their privilege.
Can we all please remember just what Trump did to deserve his head being served up on a platter.
At the behest of the DNC outrage machine Ma and Pa Khan willingly dragged the body of their dead son onto the DNC stage to purposefully attack Trump.
Whatever "absolute moral authority" their Gold Star Parent status may have conferred vanished right then and there.
Now we learn that Mr Kahn is an unfettered Muslim immigration activist lawyer with extensive ties to the Saudis and the law firm with exensive ties to the Clintons.
Trump makes an inane comment about Kahns wife being strangely mute on the stage, and career political hacks like McCain and Gingrich head for the fainting couches?
Without even considering from whence the Khans came?
McCain and Gingrich = losing is a hard habit to break!
Gold Star parents are entitled to respect only until they use their status to attack others; just ask the DEMs about that Smith woman, who son was killed in Benghazi by the dilatory non-actions of BHO and his henchman in crime, Hillary.
I think he's neither a lunatic nor an idiot -- just someone who's in way over his head in this not-a-reality-game. I would be too! He IS a genius, not at academic things, but at persuasion -- that is, when his thin-skinned narcissism is under control. Hillary is pitching him juicy, down-the-middle balls, and he's arguing with the ump or a fan!
I suggest yall get on board and quit the too cute by half bullshit. All hands will be needed to defeat the traitors and globalists. If Trump cannot win this time no non- globalist, non-cronyist pol will be elected in our remaining lifetime. Just like to the Soviet Union of old, elections will be decided well in advance of the voting.
I view Trump as the only one of the Republicans who could beat Hillary, and Hillary must be defeated no matter what (Hillary delenda est). Yes, I believe the election of Hillary would be the "end of the Republic," as they say.
The reason a Republican cannot beat the Democrats is that they are too noble to soil their hands to get into a mud fight with the Democrats. They would rather lose than do something below their dignity. Democrats, on the other hand, have no problem playing every dirty trick in the book, manipulating/controlling the media, and rigging the votes. So the Republican will always lose as the game is presently structured.
Trump, however, doesn't play by the gentlemen's club rules of the GOP. He is fine getting into fist fights and slinging mud. He will go after Hillary tooth and nail, while the other GOP'ers frankly would have problems fighting back against "a girl."
The main problem I see with Trump is that the media is almost totally controlled by the Democrats (as demonstrated by the Wikileaks releases regarding the DNC). In the primaries, Trump got a lot of coverage because he was fighting with other Republicans--he had great entertainment value so long as he was bashing other Republicans.
Now that Hillary is the nominee, however, I suspect that the media are going to close ranks to support her. They will either continuously run stories vilifying Trump (whether true or made up), or just as bad if not worse, ignore him and deny him any coverage at all. Trump is going to have a hard time getting his true message out, whatever that is. I think you are already seeing this. He has to find a way around this.
I frankly think his best chance of winning is Wikileaks spilling the beans on something so awful that it can't be ignored by the media--like direct evidence of Hillary and Bill taking payoffs (or through their "foundation") in return for foreign powers getting benefits, for example. Assange is intimating he has this type of stuff, but it remains to be seen if that is true.
As for Trump as president, I am not as negative as a lot of people. I think as a business person he at least recognizes economics, about which our politicians seem to be intentionally clueless as our country is going bankrupt. I think he also has enough CEO experience to try find the right people to run his departments. And I think his ego will actually force him to try to do a "good" job as president.
The other advantage with Trump is I don't see him as being part of the political class that is running and ruining the nation. I actually think we need a bull in the china shop to wreak some havoc.
As for Hillary, you can kiss it goodbye if she becomes president. She will continue and strengthen all the policies that have messed this country up to a fare-thee-well in the past 8 years. She will pack the Supreme Court and will do her best to get rid of the First Amendment (this is much more of a threat than the Second Amendment).
As I may have mentioned here, my wife and I are seriously thinking of moving to another country (Korea) depending on this year's elections and what happens thereafter. As fragile as it may be because of their crazy cousins to the north, South Korea is actually going through an economic and cultural growth phase which to me is very reminiscent of Reagan in the Eighties. They have a conservative government, low taxes and relatively low cost of living, and are very cognizant of the dangers of deficit spending. Plus their government recognizes that the number one priority is effectively competing economically in world markets. They frankly have been eating America's lunch in recent years, especially in terms of technology and medical science development and the world entertainment industry.
Either Kasich (who might as well be a Democrat) or Rubio would have easily beaten Hillary.
That's what I thought about Romney and Obama. Obama is such a bad president, I was sure he was a one-termer and any Republican would beat him and Romney was better than most--he looks and acts presidential.
Now John Kasich, THERE's a man who would give the miscreants of the Left and the media the sternest of thrashings, verbally, of course, and always within the bounds of proper gentlemanly decorum.
Cicero / Ace of Spades
As bad a Kasich is, Rubio's not even eligible. How did we end up with Rubio, Cruz, Jindel and possible VP candidate Nicki Haley in the running this year who all are mere anchor babies, a term we allowed to fester because our politicians needed more uneducated voters to win races?
I think with the Wong Kim Ark case in the 1800s, it is clear that you become a U.S. citizen by jus soli if you are born here and your parents are legally here (Wong's Chinese parents were essentially the 19th century version of green card holders at the time of his birth). The issue that the courts refuse to address is what if you are born here and your parents are here illegally at the time of your birth.
I think both the legislative history of the 14th Amendment and common sense would tell you that children of illegals are also illegal and do not become citizens by virtue of being born on American soil, but that would throw the legal status of millions who think they are "Americans" out the window. I don't see the courts doing that, just because of the social disruption it would engender. And if course once you let the anchor babies stay, then you have to let their illegal parents and their siblings and their grandparents and their aunties and uncles and their cousins and so forth stay as well.
That's what happens when you do not take a strong stand at the beginning to protect and enforce your immigration laws.
Genius and patriot. Gulliver in the land of the Lilliputians.
Trump has a much better perspective on the situation than most of us here. In fact, Trump's thinking now what you will be thinking in 6 months or a year. In 6-12 months, you'll be dying for a wall; you'll be praying you could turn back time and stop fundamentalist Muslims from coming into the country---and drug dealers, and MS-13, etc. He can see where things are headed in advance. Churchill was like that, too. He could tell where everything was headed 'way before anyone else. The other politicians were smart people, but they didn't have vision. Vision is very rare.
How flip you are. Do you realize the danger Trump is in? It took the communists years to win the White House, and they're damned if they'll let a mere election stand in the way of keeping it. I believe he knows what he's in for, yet he's sticking it through because he's a brave and honorable man. He knows his life, family and property are all in danger, yet he feels it's his obligation to use his talents to fix this mess. He wants the old America back for the sake of us and all our grandchildren.
Uninformed? Nonsense. More informed.
That Mexican judge he got into trouble about was a member of La Raza, a hard-left Hispanic supremacist group that wants to take America back. Of course, Trump could never get a fair trial from a guy like that; only hypocritical idiots would ever suggest that. And why should Trump have to apologize for telling the truth? You apologize when you're wrong, not when you're right.
And this revolting Khan character at the DNC convention is tied to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Clinton Foundation, and the Saudis, and believes in the supremacy of Shariah law over the US Constitution: hand-chopping, gay-tossing, wife-beating, pedophilia-loving, sex-slave supporting 7th century barbarism. Khan can take his righteous indignation and shove it where the sun don't shine. Islam is compatible with neither our culture nor our form of government; it's a competing system that will destroy anything in its quest for total victory. It's a political system even more than it's a religion.
Those who are calling for Trump's head are the exact idiots the media is targeting: ignorant gulls who mindlessly parrot the DNC and don't bother to examine the facts refuting the media's lies. It's not as though there isn't a ton of original source material online---articles, interviews, videos---by which they can educate themselves; they're just too lazy to discover they're in great danger and too cowardly to want to find out.
And they're clueless about the Islamic Revival and the grave danger it presents to the west. They don't understand that the horrors happening in Europe today are the horrors that will be happening in our own neighborhoods tomorrow. It's already started.
And I won't make the obligatory noises about Kahn's son being a hero: a morally-cohesive and rational society has no need for constant virtue-signalling. Some things are just understood among civilized men.
And, yes, Rosie is a pig.
Please pray for Mr. Trump.
ahem: That Mexican judge he got into trouble about was a member of La Raza
No. Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, whose purpose "is to advance the cause of equality, empowerment and justice," which is an affiliate of the Hispanic National Bar Association.
La Raza is short for "La Raza Cósmica", from an essay by José Vasconcelos, which refers to the inclusive and hopeful mixture of ethnicities in Latin America.
Zach-baby, shut up. Or spend some time with La Raza; our legals from Mexico and Central America aren't at all fond of them and their protestations. Nor was Che.
ahem. very precise summary of why Mr. Trump deserves the presidency and the risks he's taking in running against some very dangerous thugs who want to maintain control of the Globalist Cabal. In my 55 years working often for the huge developers, I would say they have to have much more vision and pay far more attention to detail if they want to succeed as The Donald has. The numbers of contractors and politicians necessary to put up a large scale building requires skills most cannot fathom. None of the other players in this election have any of the experience Mr. Trump brings to the table. Glad-handers…every single one.
Jim, you also gave a good analysis of this man and this election. Few realize that 85 - 90% of the world's media are owned by six corporations -- all NWO elitists. However, try to stick with the U.S. of A. The Globalist Cabal is screwing up South Korea, too, and their population doesn't have the grit to fight it out.
".. whose purpose "is to advance the cause of equality, empowerment and justice,..."
So the fact that the organization's founder---Mario Obledo---said the following in a radio interview will come as a big, fat surprise to you:
Obledo: “We’re going to take over all the political institutions of California. In five years the Hispanics are going to be the majority population of this state.”
Caller: “You also made the statement that California is going to become a Hispanic state, and if anyone doesn’t like it, they should leave. Did you say that?”
Obledo: “I did. They ought to go back to Europe.”
Founder of Judge Curiel’s Group: Whites Should Go Back to Europe, California To Be ‘Hispanic State’
Nicely stated. I am so tired of the carping BS from the Cruz know nothings. I mean, compared to the internal enemies and traitors who should one prefer? If Trump does not win, we are truly doomed.
An obstacle that Trump has before him is that a lot of people think he's an idiot. In terms of getting elected it doesn't matter if he's an actual idiot or not. He has to overcome the reality of perception and that's going to be difficult when he doesn't have any control over the media.
Khan is a good example. By the time the truth is revealed about him it's no longer in the media outlets that a lot of voters see. So, it doesn't matter that Trump is eventually justified in attacking him. I'm not sure he believes that in politics perception can be more important than reality. This could be a big mistake, especially when then the media enjoy making you look the fool.
If there was one voter demographic Hillary's opponent had a lock on it was current and former military, politically ambitious Generals aside. And yet this asshat has gone out of his way to insult and denigrate the service of current and former military. He has crapped on POWs, crapped on the wounded and deceased, and made serious, yet unfounded, accusations of theft. And he has diminished the service of all by making claims of like sacrifice in his remarkably privileged civilian life. Why on earth would I believe a Trump Presidency will do anything to reverse the harm done to the U.S. Armed Froces in the last eight years?
This 20+ year man says f--- him, he's an idiot, and he's on his own.
To be honest, I'm beginning to look forward just as much to pissing on his grave as I am of Jane Fonda's.
A genius, a lunatic, or an idiot?
May I propose a fourth choice?
A breath of fresh air. A rough talking, media-spanking breath of fresh air.
Oh, also a fifth, our only chance for keeping that horrible personMrs Clinton, out if the Presidency.
Go Trump! Beat Mrs Clinton!
But you do pose an interesting question. Because Trump sure is like no politician we have had before.
This is one of the funniest threads on Maggie's Farm yet! Thanks!
I've never seen such a coordinated and sustained media attack on anyone like this before. Hillary's campaign manager made $millions from a Russian company, the Clinton Foundation donations / drug export ties, Obama sent Iran a planeload of cash - those are the headlines that were buried THIS WEEK!
Instead it is non-stop news on how Trump is bad.
At this point I'm voting for Trump simply because he has the right enemies.
If I have to choose from a genius, a lunatic, or an idiot, I say Trump is being an idiot when he ignores good advice from supporters who know what they're doing.
Case in point: he ranted on and on about how he could "hit" speakers from the D convention "so hard" for attacking him, even though he said a trusted supporter - a good GOP governor, he said - told him NOT to "hit" them, to keep his focus on Hillary, and not to "punch down."
What does he do? Hits away. It's one thing to call DeBlasio the worst mayor in the country, it's another to go on the offensive with the parents of a war hero, even if they were clearly a prop by the DNC.
I don't want a president who ignores good advice when he's feeling wounded.
And it ticks me off because I do NOT want the Clintons back in the WH.
The big question with Trump is does he believe in the rule of law or is it just the rule of Trump?
I know the Hitlary believes in the rule of Hitlary and those that follow her don't seem to have a problem with that, so for those who follow Trump another question that should be asked is a dictator so bad if that dictator happens to be "your" dictator?
As for me I oppose all dictators, left, right and indifferent!
Because when tyranny becomes law
Rebellion becomes duty!
He needs to stop giving speeches that sound like he is lecturing a classroom of sixth graders before I will even consider him. Whether he is an idiot or he thinks I am doesn't matter at this point.
The media keeps going on about Trump being off message and that is bad.
I would remind those here of the one time during the 2008 campaign when Obama went off message and spoke is true words.
After that slip, the media went after Joe the Plumber with a vengeance. But Obama's truth was telling.
We also saw before the 2012 election when Obama went off message with is whispered message to the Russian President to be passed on to Putin.
So, yes, Trump is unpolished, goes off the "professional" message. But other than being blunt, sometimes crass, what has that revealed about how Trump really thinks? Who will be making the big decisions, on-message Trump or off-message, extemporaneous Trump? How has that worked out with Obama?
Genius. You must watch his rallies and complete interviews. This idea that he is unhinged or saying crazy things just isn't true. Don't let the media cut and trim his words to make him sound nuts...watch it for yourself. Everything he says is rational and backed up by clips he will read directly from the press.
He did that today at his rally in Maine. Read a whole piece about terrorism and what is going on.
As for the Khan interview...watch it for yourself (the one with Stephanopolous - like he doesn't have an agenda!). The answers were nothingburgers. The only thing that was slightly out of line was the comment about the wife standing their saying nothing...
But everything else: very respectful of Khan and the son. The rest is made up stuff by the press.
People aren't talking because they realize their views won't change the conversation - and perhaps thinking to themselves that they might be a little more alone than they should be.
I think the people have finally realized who their enemy is. It's not Hillary or The Donald. It's the third actor in this cyclical drama, the one who has been awarded the historical position of neutral objective communicator, and has been successfully deploying that camouflage to avoid scrutinous thinking for the ages.
But we're onto them now - information technology has caught up and provided alternatives. They are the enemy, the purveyors of misdirection cloaked as homily. That's why people aren't talking about their vote. Worse than being ridiculed - Loose lips sink ships.
Genius, lunatic or idiot? I'd say egomaniac. Others who have worked with him describe him as shallow and self-absorbed. It's is becoming more and more clear his command of the issues even his own campaign is pushing, while maybe a directional improvement over Hillary and Obama, is pretty superficial. He talks a mean game, but not much there to back it up.