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Global Warming Today: Meat Is Murder Or Something

Livestock (and pets and circus animals ) are private property.

Having successfully removed the right to life (abortion), liberty (got a permit for that?), the next step is eradication of right to property.

My question is why don't the anti-industrialites give up their carbon spewing homes, vehicles, computers and luxuries, jets, if it's so dire to save the planet? Walk the walk.

Or is it because one volcano eruption negates that tiny 1/2% of
emissions removal, and the main goal is totalitarianism?

#1 fjord on 2016-03-07 09:19 (Reply)

fjord: My question is why don't the anti-industrialites give up their carbon spewing homes, vehicles, computers and luxuries, jets, if it's so dire to save the planet? Walk the walk.

Because individual actions will not significantly help, because the problem is due to the design of humankind's energy infrastructure.

fjord: Or is it because one volcano eruption negates that tiny 1/2% of emissions removal, and the main goal is totalitarianism?

Humans emissions of CO2 dwarf those of volcanoes.

U.S. Geological Survey: Do the Earth’s volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? Research findings indicate that the answer to this frequently asked question is a clear and unequivocal, “No.” Human activities, responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions in 2010 (Friedlingstein et al., 2010), release an amount of CO2 that dwarfs the annual CO2 emissions of all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes (Gerlach, 2011).

#1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 10:01 (Reply)

"Because individual actions will not significantly help, because the problem is due to the design of humankind's energy infrastructure."

They why the hell are they trying to cramp my life with ridiculous restrictions? Hypocrites.

And many of the same people who worry about this hypothetical danger absolutely refuse to accept the ONLY credible non carbon energy source (unlike wind, solar panels etc which are basically toys) that is reliable and scalable: nuclear.

To many of them just want to go back to a pre industrial fairy tale utopia.

#1.1.1 jay on 2016-03-07 10:23 (Reply)

These are the same arguments the left makes about cutting any budget or benefit. That it would only be a 'drop in the bucket' of the $$ that the feds spend every year, so why even bother?

Those drops add up. Eventually, it fills the bucket.

Making excuses for these people gets you nowhere. Why bother? Just admit that they are hypocrites. Instead, you ignore it and pretend like it doesn't matter.

#1.1.2 MissT on 2016-03-07 10:56 (Reply)

1. Arguing from assertion is a fallacy.

2. What wrong with CO2?

#1.1.3 Dale on 2016-03-07 12:01 (Reply)

Dale: 1. Arguing from assertion is a fallacy.

Please note the citations to the relevant research.

#1.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 12:11 (Reply)

catastrophic flood basalt volcanism has been associated with numerous extinction events, including the P–Tr and the K-Pg events.

warmal coldists such as yourself conveniently conflate weather with climate, a common mistake for nonscientists.

#1.1.4 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-03-07 12:51 (Reply)

Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: catastrophic flood basalt volcanism has been associated with numerous extinction events, including the P–Tr and the K-Pg events.

But volcanism does not explain the current warming trend. Greenhouse warming does.

Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: warmal coldists such as yourself conveniently conflate weather with climate, a common mistake for nonscientists.

Climate scientists are quite aware of the distinction.

#1.1.4.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 16:24 (Reply)

Actually greenhouse warming does NOT explain global warming. If it did there would not have been the cooling cycle of the 70's and the most recent one which began in 1998 and continues even now.

#1.1.4.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2016-03-07 17:34 (Reply)

GoneWithTheWind: If it did there would not have been the cooling cycle of the 70's and the most recent one which began in 1998 and continues even now.

NOAA shows a rise in mean surface temperature of about 0.2°C from 1970 through 1979, and about 0.24°C from 1998 through 2015. However, the atmosphere is not the only place heat is stored in the Earth's climate system. Most of it is stored in the oceans.
https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/heat_content2000m.png

#1.1.4.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 18:03 (Reply)

Well than how do you explain this NOAA data:

http://realclimatescience.com/2016/03/noaa-radiosonde-data-shows-no-warming-for-58-years/

#1.1.4.1.1.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2016-03-07 21:32 (Reply)

The author seems to be lining up data from 100 mb with radiosonde data from lower in the atmosphere. The stratosphere has generally cooled over the last half century, as expected with the greenhouse effect.

#1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 23:27 (Reply)

Nope. The author has noted that the land sites and lower altitude measurements are impacted by the heat islands of towns and factories and have slightly warmer readings over time while the higher altitudes are unaffected by these heat islands and are better historical records.

Hey there's some good news: The Californiia Sierras got 3 more feet of snow yesterday and the storm continues. Thank you El Nino. Of course it's not global warming or global cooling it is just weather arriving in multi-year cycles just as at has for the last 10,000 years or so.

#1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2016-03-08 00:20 (Reply)

GoneWithTheWind: Nope.

http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2016-03-07060229-1-768x320.png

#1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-08 09:41 (Reply)

according to warmal coldists, cooling is a sign of warming.

#1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.2 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-03-08 01:15 (Reply)

Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: according to warmal coldists, cooling is a sign of warming.

A cooling stratosphere is a direct thermodynamic entailment of the greenhouse effect.

#1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-08 09:46 (Reply)

Here's the data showing the relationship:
http://www.zachriel.com/blog/Cooling_Stratosphere.gif

#1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2016-03-08 10:33 (Reply)

Livestock (and pets and circus animals ) are private property.

Having successfully removed the right to life (abortion), liberty (got a permit for that?), the next step is eradication of right to property.

Huh? Having successfully made an unborn infant private property, the left made killing it a trivial matter. This makes it no different a policy and practice than subjecting an animal to whatever humanity wants to do with it.

Slaughter is a proudly reoccurring theme among rightists who, having never thought about it, wish to dully signal their epicurean philosophy. It's interesting that you have to spin the issue exactly 180 degrees out of phase in order to issue a blanket assertion you trust justifies all other slaughter while damning human abortion.

Animal agriculture is a barbaric relic at odds with the western enlightenment. Life is not to be usurped and squandered.

#1.2 Ten on 2016-03-07 10:24 (Reply)

jay: They why the hell are they trying to cramp my life with ridiculous restrictions? Hypocrites.

Because individual actions won't address the problem, pointing to individual actions doesn't indicate hypocrisy. The energy infrastructure has to be upgraded. Market signals are an important component of that process.

jay: And many of the same people who worry about this hypothetical danger absolutely refuse to accept the ONLY credible non carbon energy source (unlike wind, solar panels etc which are basically toys) that is reliable and scalable: nuclear.

Nuclear has a spotty record at best.

jay: To many of them just want to go back to a pre industrial fairy tale utopia.

Some. But the vast majority of experts in the field recognize that humanity needs more access to energy not less, if more of the world is to enjoy the fruits of modern society. It will take economic growth and technological innovation to solve the problem.

#1.2.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 10:33 (Reply)

It's a fact. Access to affordable energy is the only way to move populations out of poverty. That will do more for the planet than all the elitists/activists schemes.

#1.2.1.1 rocdoctom on 2016-03-07 11:19 (Reply)

[i]"My question is why don't the anti-industrialites give up their carbon spewing homes, vehicles, computers and luxuries, jets, if it's so dire to save the planet? Walk the walk."[i]

Indeed. Their ideology needs far more Ed Begley Jrs and far fewer Al Gores.

I have personally adopted the following policy (here adapted to Leonardo DiCaprio):

First, Leo, you and your chums reduce your footprints to the same level as mine.

Then we all carry on reducing together from there.

#1.3 JJM on 2016-03-07 12:56 (Reply)

Nice shot, JJM. I'll sign your pledge.

#1.3.1 jma on 2016-03-07 14:15 (Reply)

I agree. To quote Sr Joan Chittister, "...what we do not live we do not have a right to require...".

#1.3.2 Frances on 2016-03-07 19:21 (Reply)

I agree. To quote Sr. Joan Chittister, "...what we do not live we do not have a right to require...".

#1.3.3 Frances on 2016-03-07 19:23 (Reply)

QUOTE:

The Horrific Destruction Of Libya——-It’s On You, Hillary!

The turmoil in Libya predates the U.S. intervention.

The U.S. has tried three basic strategies. Invasion and occupation of Iraq, with devastating consequences. Hands-off in Syria, with ensuing devastation. Aerial support alone in Libya, with ambiguous results thus far.

#2 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 10:05 (Reply)

What are the devastating consequences of the Iraq invasion and occupation?

You apparently have an interesting definition of "ambiguous."

#2.1 mudbug on 2016-03-07 10:29 (Reply)

mudbug: What are the devastating consequences of the Iraq invasion and occupation?

Hundreds-of-thousands dead, millions made refugees, destabilization of the region, trillions of dollars wasted, erosion of American credibility, to name a few.

mudbug: You apparently have an interesting definition of "ambiguous."

The future of Libya is still uncertain. It could devolve into further violence, or stabilize. There are indications it could go either way. U.S. influence over the result is marginal, but there are significant internal efforts to reach some sort of accord.

#2.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 10:37 (Reply)

You could make a similar case against WWII if you only look at one side of the equation. On the other hand, there were several positives that you left out: blood thirsty dictator toppled, safe haven for terrorists deprived, UN resolutions resolved, independent democratic government established that doesn't threaten its neighbors, to name a few.

I'm not sure why you think the credibility of America was eroded. We said we were going to do something and we did it. It's Obama who has not followed through with his promises.

QUOTE:

The future of Libya is still uncertain.

Brilliant! There is no government, no industry, ISIS is starting to make inroads (Al Qaeda has been there for years). US influence over the the result is not marginal, it's minimal. Most of (all?) of the Western embassies there have shut down - even before Benghazi.

#2.1.1.1 mudbug on 2016-03-07 12:02 (Reply)

mudbug: On the other hand, there were several positives that you left out: blood thirsty dictator toppled, safe haven for terrorists deprived, UN resolutions resolved, independent democratic government established that doesn't threaten its neighbors, to name a few.

None of those have been accomplished. Much of Iraq is overrun by the Islamic State, even more blood thirsty than Saddam, a safe haven for international terrorists, and a destabilizing force to other nations in the region. The Iraq War was an unmitigated disaster.

mudbug: There is no government

There are two primary governmental entities that are in peace talks. The country may yet disintegrate, but that is far from certain. ISIS remains a serious threat.

#2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 12:22 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Which bloodthirsty dictator that is threatening his neighbors is still in power in Iraq? The rest happened after Obama took over and declared ISIS was the JV team and nothing to worry about. Obama's fecklessness has also increased Iran's influence in Iraq. We know how stabilizing Iran has been.

ISIS remains a serious threat.
ISIS was not a factor before Hillary declared, "We came, we saw, he died!" Now we have to worry about ISIS taking over the oil fields and if they take them, there is very little we'll likely do under this administration since they are very reticent about attacking oil transports since they might be driven by civilians.

#2.1.1.1.1.1 mudbug on 2016-03-07 13:15 (Reply)

mudbug: Which bloodthirsty dictator that is threatening his neighbors is still in power in Iraq?

ISIS holds power over much of Iraq and surrounding countries.

mudbug: The rest happened after Obama took over and declared ISIS was the JV team and nothing to worry about.

The Bush Administration negotiated the terms of Iraqi sovereignty. The U.N. mandate ended in 2008, and the U.S. agreed to withdraw their armed forces by the end of 2011.

mudbug: ISIS was not a factor before Hillary declared, "We came, we saw, he died!"

Extremism metastasized in the anarchy that resulted from the bungled U.S. occupation of Iraq.

#2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 16:29 (Reply)

You can't be serious!

ISIS was allowed to flourish because we all but left Iraq (thank you Obama).

Obama withdrew from Iraq prematurely saying that Iraq didn't agree with the Status of Forces Agreement - but there wasn't much effort to come to one (thank you Obama).

Toppling Gaddafi was was the bright idea of Hillary and Obama as part of the "Arab Spring" (I'm still waiting for the 'spring' part). The Obama administration was clueless about the Arab Spring just as it was clueless about what to do in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Iran.

#2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 mudbug on 2016-03-07 17:04 (Reply)

mudbug: ISIS was allowed to flourish because we all but left Iraq (thank you Obama).

The U.S. left Iraq because that was the agreement they had with the Iraqi government. ISIS flourished because the U.S. occupation failed to find political solutions to the problems of Iraq. The Shias used the nascent majoritarian institutions to seize power. The Sunnis were shut out, while corruption undermined the government and military.

mudbug: Obama withdrew from Iraq prematurely saying that Iraq didn't agree with the Status of Forces Agreement - but there wasn't much effort to come to one (thank you Obama).

The U.S. insisted that their forces would not be liable under Iraqi law, while the Iraqi government could never have agreed to such a condition.

#2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-07 17:23 (Reply)

He didn't make even a token effort to negotiate an SOFA. He went at it perfunctorily, then used the lack of a deal to justify pulling out, as he'd always said he would do. When he really wants a deal to happen, he takes the approach he did to the Iran deal.

#2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Texan99 on 2016-03-07 22:34 (Reply)

Texan99: He didn't make even a token effort to negotiate an SOFA.

An agreement was easily achieved — if the U.S. was willing to let U.S. personnel be tried under Iraqi law for any crimes they might commit. The Iraqi legislature would never have approved the agreement otherwise, and an Iraqi executive order may have still left U.S. personnel legally exposed. No agreement was possible under the circumstances.

#2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-03-08 09:49 (Reply)

14,000 wind turbines, abandoned, rusting, slowly decaying.
Derelict wind turbines are a real problem, an old enough problem that Sonny Bono was a prominent activist against the blight of derelict turbines, and an area where consent to build should include escrow for removal costs at end-of-useful-life.

But there should no need to make up numbers or pull them out of our ear. The number 14,000 has no basis in reality.

Many articles about abandonment of wind turbines mention Hawaii's Kamaoa Wind Farm, from which all of the towers and turbines have now been been removed, or the Tehachapi pass in CA, where newly-built increase in the grid capacity has been impetus for subsidy-seekers to replace non-working turbines with larger higher slower-moving turbines.

I think the 14000 number must be an extrapolation to the whole country from the figure once mooted of 4500 wind turbines abandoned in California --- but when that expert surmised 4500 abandoned in California at such highly visible places like Tehachapi, San Gorgonio, and Altamont passes, he also said of the 4,500 "it is estimated that 500 are still standing". So "abandoned" in his parlance meant EOL, replaced, or dismantled, not necessarily a giant eyesore left as a monument to folly.

#3 Douglas2 on 2016-03-07 12:18 (Reply)

RE Student Claims Sorority Rush Counts as Hazing Because it’s Stressful

once upon a time the guy from Delta House would stand a ladder against your window and watches your lingerie pillow fights. now he can claim to identify as a girl and participate in them.

#4 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-03-07 12:39 (Reply)

RE What the haters miss about the joys of New York living

"We know we live in the greatest city in the history of the world."

-- said everyone trying to convince himself he lived in the greatest city in the history of the world.

#5 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-03-07 12:54 (Reply)

Inside Bob Dylan's Historic New Tulsa Archive: 'It's an Endless Ocean'

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/inside-bob-dylans-historic-new-tulsa-archive-its-an-endless-ocean-20160303

#6 feeblemind on 2016-03-07 15:34 (Reply)

Great picture of the Reagans; thank you for posting as we hear of Mrs Reagan's passing.

#7 Frances on 2016-03-07 19:24 (Reply)

Hillary IS the most transparently corrupt politician in the US.

#8 Sam L. on 2016-03-07 20:03 (Reply)

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