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Sunday, March 6. 2016
In 1973, French novelist Jean Raspail wrote a prophetic book predicting
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It's hard to say for sure. I would say that it is probably true. But what isn't said is that this unwanted and anti-Europe immigration dooms European countries to serious internal strife. War. civil war, uprising, terrorism, etc. for perhaps a hundred years. The outcome of these wars will determine Europe's future.
The problem is the leaders cannot see this. Merkel either doesn't see it or simply prefers to hold on to her power rather than take the steps to avert it. A lot of lives will be disrupted and a lot of people will die and suffer. If those who oppose this act more quickly then a lot of that can be avoided. If they wait until the number of immigrants grow beyond management and they become firmly entrenched then open warfare may be the only option.
We have been lucky enough to visit Bavaria a few times in the last few years, but we just cancelled a trip for May Day because of all this. I read "Camp..." last year and have followed this situation closely, but just cannot understand what Frau Merkel was thinking.
Even the collapse of Rome didn't mean the end of Western Civilization. The current refugee crisis is certainly dire, but hardly an existential threat.
One reason for the turmoil in the Middle East is fear of modernity. The culture of the West is so pervasive, it tends to assimilate everything before it.
Wishful thinking there, Lefty-Prog Zack!
There's already been 50 years of Western Civilization and culture imposed on the ME and yet, those savages in the Fertile Crescent still prefer Sharia and its attendant social system, together with that 7th Century death cult masquerading as a religion.
Women are stilled stoned for adultery, including being raped and teen-aged boys beheaded for listening to Western music. Guess they didn't teach you (or more likely you didn't learn) anything about the Dark Age that followed the collapse of Rome, in your Transgender Studies classes, eh?
OLd Codger: There's already been 50 years of Western Civilization and culture imposed on the ME and yet, those savages in the Fertile Crescent still prefer Sharia and its attendant social system, together with that 7th Century death cult masquerading as a religion.
What you observe is the strong reaction to modernity. There would be no need for a reaction if modernity wasn't perceived as a threat; children marrying whom they want, the young wanting a better life for their own children, and people wanting more of a say in the political process.
Not everyone in the Middle East subscribes to a 7th century concept of society. There are strong currents of democracy, which have led to revolutions throughout the region, as well as a movement towards secularism, which has led to a strong cultural reaction by conservatives. While the revolutions have been largely unsuccessful, you can't simply say those facets of society that have pushed for reform don't exist, or have had influence. Change is coming.
Strong currents of democracy? Where and of what kind of democracy?
Voting is hardly a badge of democracy, if its a sham designed to prop up the Imams of that false religion that dominates every aspect of the lives of people raised in an "honor culture" designed to promote the tribe rather than the individual.
Props do not make "democracy" out of a totalitarian system with theocratic gilt.
Earl T: Strong currents of democracy? Where and of what kind of democracy?
It's hard to imagine you haven't heard of the Arab Spring. There are strong democracy movements in most countries of the Middle East. Tunisia has made important steps towards democracy. In Tripoli, people protest against militias and for democracy at the risk of their lives. Egypt had a revolution, and while the military is in control, there will be no turning back to the old ways.
Earl T: Voting is hardly a badge of democracy, if its a sham designed to prop up the Imams of that false religion that dominates every aspect of the lives of people raised in an "honor culture" designed to promote the tribe rather than the individual.
Voting is not sufficient for a working democracy, which is one reason why Bush's invasion of Iraq was an abject failure. However, people throughout the Middle East are working towards a more democratic future.
Well, yes, but even the Progressives hate modernity. Hate the center of life being the individual rather than the clan, tribe or ethnicity. Hate that the economic, political, social and religious/ideological spheres have been separated with each individual free to mix and match as they see fit rather than some religious, political or civic leader imposing upon others. Modernity means giving up their slaves, women being free citizens, and the fall of the religious nut as leader.
The teachings of Christ, much to the chagrin of the Church leaders, promotes the individual as being center. Islam on the other hand, promotes the Islamic leaders as being center to society.
Interesting that the two groups who despise modernity have set themselves on course for a head-on collision, assuming secular socialist Europe doesn't capitulate.
JK Brown: Well, yes, but even the Progressives hate modernity.
Everyone has trouble adjusting to a changing world, but Progressives, by definition, are working towards change.
JK Brown: Modernity means giving up their slaves, women being free citizens, and the fall of the religious nut as leader.
You do realize that womens' suffrage was a central platform of the Progressive Movement and that it was strongly associated with the abolitionist movement?
The move to a EU was a huge mistake fomented by elitists who will never suffer the consequences of their manipulations. These "refugees" will not accept any part of Western culture except the benefits hard earned by those who have fought for Western ideals focusing on individual rights, now long weakened by creeping socialism.
Last night I happened upon a documentary on "the dancing boys" of Afghanistan (and Pakistan, India, etc.), which was part of a series about sex slavery and abuses of the lower classes throughout the countries where Islam thrives. Good luck, Europe. As if the Western influenced civilizations don't have sufficient problems with these proclivities as it is.
jma: These "refugees" will not accept any part of Western culture
You're right! The Irish Jews Italians Catholics Romani Japanese Mexicans Chinese Muslims will never accept any part of Western culture.
The big difference with all the groups you crossed out - none come with a built-in social order / legal system as part of their religion. A system that is the complete opposite of western culture and values.
NJSoldier: The big difference with all the groups you crossed out - none come with a built-in social order / legal system as part of their religion.
Quite the contrary. For instance, Catholics were thought to be invaders in thrall to a foreign prince. Blacks worked with outside agitators to overthrow Southern culture. Asians, of course, were inscrutable but nefarious. And do we really need to recount the blood libels against the Jews?
So don't feel alone. You are part of a long tradition of xenophobia.
"You are part of a long tradition of xenophobia"
Classic virtue signaling. Why is it the left cannot have a discussion about anything without name calling. The purpose of this is to scare off anyone who might disagree AND to signal to your left wing friends how superior you are to the rabble out there in fly over country.