Maggie's Farm

I'll see your "evolution" and raise you "global warming". The science and the facts support evolution and not the biblical version of life. It is a religious belief which like many arcane religious beliefs most intelligent and educated religious people merely tolerate but don't embrace. AGW global warming is the arcane religious belief of the left. It wasn't formualted as a "religious belief" it was and is a scam. The religious aspect (97% consensus) was formed later as a way of avoiding the necessity of proof, i.e. it is true and you canot question their authority for that would be blasphemy. Global warming is cyclical just as global cooling is cyclical. The scientists know this but it is justtoo good a scam to give up. literally billions in funding has been given to scientists because of the AGW scam. Trillions have been taken by governments because of the AGW scam. They AGW movement was co-opted by socialist/communist years ago and now it is a political movement to destroy democracies. The AGW scam is collapsing around the world but the hardcore socialist and crooks are holding on to it. There is too much money and power at stake to give up a good fraud like this.

I expected nothing less from you. In other words "my religion is the true religion while yours is blasphemy". The funny thing is you don't see it.

There is no 97% consensus on AGW and never was. The warming and cooling cycles occur without and in spite of humans.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/21/understanding-the-unprecedented-warming-of-the-20th-century/

The IPCC has invented data to support the myth/fairy tale because they are part of the great fraud.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/21/rewriting-the-past-at-the-ipcc/

The so-called experts in climate science have consistently been wrong.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/dont-be-arrogant-listen-to-the-experts/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/1974-new-york-times-global-cooling-induced-climate-change-to-kill-us-all/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/18/smoking-gun-of-more-incompetence-in-climate-science/

The fraudsters have changed the data because quite simply the data for the last 20 years refuted their arguement.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/if-the-present-refuses-to-get-warmer-then-the-past-must-become-cooler-3/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/16/the-new-and-improved-giss-us-cheating-animation/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/13/100-of-us-warming-since-1990-is-due-to-fake-temperatures/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/global-warming-is-a-hoax/

There is no 97% consensus. Most scientists who are counted in this have simply said that they believe human activity may have contributed in some way to climate. That could be a 1% contribution or a .001% contribution and certainly doesn't equate to "cause". The fraudsters have conflated most of this and notable climate scientists have refuted what the IPCC and NOAA have published.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/11/20/quite-a-97-consensus/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/settled-science-update-14/

I doubt you will look at these links. I am sure I know what your response will be. My point has been that your belief in AGW is your religion and you take it on faith and cannot be talked out of it by facts.

Our current global warming cycle began about 1850. It has been a very modest warming cycle far less warming then the previous two cyclical warming cycles; the medieval warming cycle which began about 950AD or the Roman warming cycle which began about 250BC. What sets off this warming cycle is that the intervening cooling cycle, the medieval climate optimum beginning around 1250 AD was both well documented and quite cold. What that means is that because it was so cold even a return to normal temperatures could easily be spun as a warming or if there were political motives as a AGW. Second because it was well documented we have paintings, stories, and left over glaciers that can be used to clearly show that the earth has warmed.
But here is where the fun part comes in: At first global warming as we knew it began around 1850 after the mini ice age. But that simply didn't work for the Marxist socialist who needed it to be caused by humans and in particular by capitalism. So the starting period was ignored and the great warm period around 1934 was highlighted and fossil fuel was the cause. Again, that was a colossal fail because the earth inconveniently cooled during the 50's and 60's. So much so that climate hucksters back then claimed we were destroying the planet with fossil fuels which caused global cooling and a return to the ice age, LOL. It never seemed to gain much traction, a combination of easily refutable claims and lack of funding for scientists who would climb on the clobal cooling bandwagon for fun and profit. Then came another warming period which may have peaked in 1997. This allowed the chart genies to create the famous hocky stick because they could begin from a cool period and end at the peak of a warming trend. Sadly for the warmies the climate turned traitorous and has literally done nothing for the last 20 years. No warming, no cooling, nothing. So the "scientists" have taken to changing the prior years temperature subtracting as much as two degrees from prior data and adding a half degree or so to recent data. That is the great scam of the AGW crowd. Honest people will recognize and acknowledge it and dishonest people will not.
So, is there global warming? Yes, this is the 33rd warming cycle since the last great ice age. Is it caused by humans and more to the point by CO2 from fossil fuel? No, if you look at the evidence increasing CO2 is 100 times greater then can be explained by burning fossil fuel. The increase in CO2 is the result of greater volcanic activity and by lower CO2 absorbtion by the ocean. Increased CO2 most probably doesn't cause global warming and historically it is the result of both cyclical warming and increased volcanoe activity. CO2 is a very poor greenhouse gas and may account for less then one percent of normal warming with water vapor accounting for 98%. In short the AGW scam is a scam. It was originally a scam for more fundng for scientists and then coopted by politicians for higher taxes and more regulation and now is embraced by 3rd world nations as a soruce or "reparations" and embraced by communist nations as a medium of converting democracies to communism. What is your specific reason for pushing it. Are you a scientist seeking free stuff or a budding socialist/communist seeking revolution?

It is immaterial unless you are trying to claim that fossil fuels is the cause of global warming.

You still are unwilling to see the similarity between religious belief in intelligent design based on faith and the left's belief in AGW based on faith. OK, !'ll concede that point because the religious group really beleive it while the left warmies are knowingly commiting fraud.

The most recent twelve month period broke all records providing you only use the cherry picked data that NOAA and IPCC has altered to make that possible. In fact Arctic ice is approaching an all time record and there were ten times more record cold temperatures throughout the world this year then record warm temperatures. In my humble opinion the warmies are desperate, they see the handwriting on the wall, the scam is crumbling in front of their eyes, their fraudulent altering of historical data is there for all to see. Many, (not 97%) of the world's climate scientists actually are predicting that we are entering an ice age. I don't honestly know if we are or not but what I do know is that even if there were a true (as opposed to a fraudulent) warmng this year it proves nothing. Just as the first year of no increase in warming proved nothing and the second year and third year but now with 20 consecutive years of no statistical waring or cooling there is a trend. Hence the desperate need by the NOAA to change historical data (and current data) to "prove" AGW. It is a little like watching the North Korean propaganda machine desperately denying what we can all see is happening. At this point I suspect that even the warmies all know the jig is up. Without some significant warming in the next few years the lies and theories will collapse under it's own weight. So I think they are holding on, just to get one or two more years of multi-billion dollar funding, just two more years of EPA out of control regulations, just a few more unilateral anti-American treaties with communist nations, and two more years of terrorizing the American economy.

I'm guessing you are uninformed. I am politically on the right, tea party, constitutional right. I am pro-gun, pro-military, pro-police and pro-America. I believe in evolution and I believe in science and the scientific method for understanding our world. I know of a lot of people who believe in the same things. Not everyone on the right fits your preconcieved stereotype.

"Force" public schools to teach creationism! Do you mean just as the left wants to force common core on all public schools?

A lot of things are "forced" on students in public schools for political reasons. A lot of things are "forced" on citizens by an out of control federal government. Bring back local control to schools and end rampant federalism. Reign in the federal government and require it to live within the constitutional limits the founders intended.

I think you are wrong. I will agree that most of the people who want to stop teaching evolution in school lean to the right politically. But I think those people are a very small percentage of those on the right, perhaps 1 percent or so. Most people on the right are educated and believe in science.

Welcome to democracy.