Maggie's Farm

As usual, this line of reasoning is spectacularly wrong. The body burns sugar converted from carbs. The body stores fat not converted from...fat.

Metabolism slows when abundant fat is about; that's its purpose.

In a diet devoid of fats, the body requires very regular carbs and it burns them efficiently and more importantly, healthily. Fat has no nutrients save that it converts, eventually, to burnable energy. I dropped ten pounds temporarily not exercising but cutting meat, cheese, and processed foods while adding vegetable, fruit, and grain bulk.

For some reason ostensible individualists and other otherwise clever and resourceful free-thinkers pound their chests over meat. Sad thing is that it's the conventional neo-emerging 'wisdom' of meat-loving such folks that's wrong. Scrounging the news for those occasional pieces like this one that encourage an otherwise indefensible lifestyle that includes torture and death in the wholly artificial factory farm culture isn't a sound argument for health or stable weight.

If you want to lose weight and be far healthier, cut meat, cheese, and processing. Consume plants, fruits, grains. And if you want the real research - free from the effects of corporate 'studies' - for one resource I refer you to NutritionFacts.org on YouTube and elsewhere.

The real science is out there, Bliss. Maybe rethink having your backyard barbeque and NRA badge do your dietary thinking for you. The contemporary American meat culture is not natural, it's not healthy, it's not scientifically validated, and it's not moral.

I said the American meat culture wasn't natural, Mike, because it isn't. You miss that?

I mean American meat culture (as in factory farming, et al) not survival-based hunting.

Are you aware of what that entails?

Assertions are not information, Bliss, and as that arrogant, abusive, and courageously anonymous dick Mike illustrates in this thread, poses are not positions.

The only thing 'debunked' herein are the proofs by assertions some of you deploy, apparently hoping that what used to work shall continue to work.

Problem for you is that neither the odd press outlier nor the usual barrage of any outdated conventional wisdom constitute a reasoned, informed view. Stir in the influences of statist industry in this case, and suddenly the overall narrative becomes as transparent as MF's masthead about independent, questioning individualism.

What this 'informative' 'debunking' really constitutes is increasingly paralleling the trajectories of wives tales - rooted in the incompleteness of pop anecdote and the vagaries of an indeed meager science.

Your notion that ice cream and pizza nutritionally outrank the average vegan's diet is as idiotic on its face as the science increasingly shows it to be by the research. Oh, I get the allusions you, personally, always make to a fatalistic primitivism - whether physically or psychologically - but try and realize that many of us know that that stance really isn't much of one to build a ideology of sorts on.

Conventions fall all the time: Whether religiously or practically, Progressivism is dying a(nother) inevitable and needed death and eventually someone is going to catalog how and why. Old cosmology is in crisis as a new cosmology takes its place. 30 years ago quantum mechanics overruled old Newtonian physics, at least at the level of the quantum.

So it goes. The original American conservationist's vastly healthier and only occasionally meat-included diet changed, if you'd care to notice - we're in the Carl's Jr age now. Today it's flatly unhealthy and yes, it tortures animals as a matter of course - as a matter of competitive corporate survival, actually. I find that wrong.

I also find it remarkable that a community with the sensitivity to regularly cite biblical wisdom offers the foolish defense you tacitly do for such an industry, such a failing contemporary lifestyle, such bleak physical consequences, and such amorality toward living beings whose sensitivities to oppression, cruelty, terror, and pain are not predominately less than our own.

Consider a few racks of pet neighborhood dogs and cats hauled for slaughter and I think you get the picture. Deer, of course, are okay to treat that way, and everybody just knows cows were born to go under the knife...after going under the heel, the pipe, the medical torture, the jail, and- well, you get the idea.

I suspect a reality in which we ourselves were hung by a back leg with a hundred of our peers from an industrial conveyor to bleed out through our throats for half a minute before dying would eventually incur some righteous pushback. Even among those who couldn't understand our screams.

Killing was given to man as a consequence of his Fall, not as a condition of his inherent goodness, compassion, and mercy.

That's a nice screed, Mike. A nice pile of attacks and falalcies.

Except that Gregor has more professional credibility than all that nonsense, doesn't he, Mike?

For one.

http://www.drgreger.org/about

You're one of those blustering types I predicted. Sad.

All of those negative symptoms have been cataloged by studies as typical for meat-based diets. Myself, I find my entire function far higher with the plant-based diet. Weight falls, tone improves, and all areas of noticeable health improve.

Now meat and cheese taste incredibly heavy, greasy and flat. There's no flavor except that assault to the mouth you'd expect from grease. I always loved eggs, and although I miss the morning breakfast ritual of bacon and eggs or biscuits and gravy, I don't miss their aftereffects at all.