Maggie's Farm

"I don't think anybody minds legal immigrant math, physics, and computer geniuses from China and India. Lots of them in NYC, taking jobs from decadent and lazy Americans"

I think they do and that statement is totally inaccurate. Those "geniuses" are indeed smart and motivated, but that doesn't make them more valuable then a smart motivated American. What does is that they will work 80 -100 hours a week of 40 hours pay and lower pay then the job pays American workers. They aren't doing jobs Americans can't or won't do they are simply willng to work like slaves to make their employer billionaires. Yes the American worker in those fields should also be trying to make their employer billionaires but not as slaves. The H1B trade is a slave trade that is displacing smart American math, physics, and computer geniuses. We don't "need" immigrants. We have too many people and can't even employee them all. We have smart educated Americans who can do these jobs what we need is a moratorium on immigration and end to the H1B (and related visa programs) and to revoke their visas and send them home. That single step alone will employee over 1 million American high tech workers. What we need is laws to fine employers who hire illegals and a real effort by federal, state and local law enforcement to find and deport illegal aliens. And last we need to end welfare and all federal aid and subsidies that attract ilegals and enable Americans to be "decadent and lazy".

Indeed! I worked 80 hours a week as well. BUT, I got paid for it and I don't mean overtime pay my pay was commensurate with that requirement and it was the contract I agreed to. I might add that I worked with many H1B workers who were paid less and worked more then myself. But you are begging the question. If H1B workers and many immigrants legal and illegal are only here to take American jobs at lower pay the question is why should Americans want this? I understand why employers want it but why should the majority of Americans who vote want it? And more importantly shouldn't the citizens decide this question? Not just employers, politicians and other special interests. I think we can't continue to ignore this problem. I also think that the misinformation, such as Americans aren't educated or smart enough to be engineers and computer experts is intended to confuse potential voters for the benefit of the special interests. Ask the thousands of American engineers who have lost jobs to the H1B's if they are too stupid or too lazy to compete for the job or were simply laid off because H1B's could be exploited for less money. Ask the taxpayers in the small Texas towns that are going bankrupt because of the influx of illegal aliens, whose hospitals are closing because the emergency room bills are not paid, whose children are becoming ill with exotic diseases all thanks to uncontrolled and illegal immigration. Why wouldn't it make sense for the government/politicians to put the interest of citizens ahead of the interest of people who crossed our border illegally for the sole purpose of stealing from our overly generous welfare system.

Frigate you are naive and don't even know what you don't know.

I haven't misrepresented the law. My father in law was also an H1B and the company could have easily hired someone local for his job. He worked here for 43 years until he passed away. Every year his boss had to justify his employment and every year he did that he kept a citizen from being hired. So the law isn't followed and what I represented was the reality/facts. I have known perhaps 50 to 60 H1B employees and everyone of them could have been American citizens hired right out of college instead of H1B's right out of college.

I'm enough of a libertarian to agree with your point. But that wasn't my point. I don't care what the employer pays, for all I care they can pay the minimum wage. My point is they should not have the option to hire anyone but a citizen to work in this country. The myth is that they must hire Indians or Chinese because no American worker can be found to do the work. That is not true. They hire H1B workers because the worker is willing to put in 100 hours a week in trade for living in the U.S. and gaining citizenship. My issue with this is I don't think corporations should be driving our immigration policy.