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Wednesday, December 11. 2013Order heroin, crack, and other fun drugs, online and delivered to your workplaceCraig's List has it all. I am told you can search "Diesel," "Dog Food," or "Pain Relief," and if you sort through the listings you can find whatever you want. Heroin, Meth, coke, crack, Ecstasy, pot, Oxycontin, etc. I do not want this stuff, but lots of people do. Yes, they deliver to your door or workplace in manila envelopes, but they do not take credit cards. Thus the successful government war on drugs, ongoing since the Nixon administration. Prohibition never works. This is an ordinary Black Market similar to the Black Market for booze during Prohibition (when Joe Kennedy got rich with his Boston mobster buddies). I am opposed to drug prohibition, and I am opposed to substance abuse as a terrible life plan.
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I'd extend the war on drugs back to the 19th century progressives in their zeal to save adults from coca based tonics and opiate based nerve tonics.
Wibbling aside, all it does is boost the price and enrich the criminal. Who do you think is getting rich off the current prohibition. Not the ones you see in the movies. The financiers come from some of the finer neighborhoods and older families. Not to mention the 3 letter agencies.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Del-doc-32-busted-sold-drugs-for-Bitcoins.html#RK3Zk6GVUKh6cPV5.03
The state prohibits murder, theft, drug abuse, child porn, ponzi schemes, embezzling, but somehow these things never stop. Law is an ineffectual delusion.
I'm opposed to calling it "substance abuse," a term that shows we've given up on any clarity of thought about what constitutes a "drug" and what constitutes "addiction."
Drug abuse is behind most of the violent and property crime in this country. The question is; if we end the war on drugs do we do nothing or replace it with something we think might be more effective? This IS NOT simply abut those poor souls who by choice or by chance are hoked on drugs. It is about the couple million new users every year who can only become hooked on drugs because it is available and pushed onto them. What do we do to stop the 15 year old girl or boy who today isn't hooked on drugs but will be tomorrow? Do we do nothing? Kind of a let people make their onw decisions and who are we to interfere. Can you really do that? I can't. Do we continue to spend billions perhaps exceeding a trillion every year to deal with the consequences of these drugs? We can no longer afford it. What about the children born to parents on drugs? We can see them everyday in the news; committing crimes, entering into prostitution, killing or being killed. Do we have any responsibility at all to stop this or are we content to simply spend a trillion on welfare every year to keep it going? If we agree that the war on drugs isn't perfectly successful what is your option and does it involve a white flag? Do you have children and if you do and one of them is killed tomorrow by a drug crazed robber is that simply the cost of a free society and burying our head in the sand. Perhaps you don't think it will happen to you or yours but it wil certainly hapen to somene. Everyday half a dozen kids and adults are killed in some drug fueled incident. Everyday children turn to prostitution to feed their newly acquired habit. Is the cost of being an ideological libertarian that we must allow these things to happen. Isn't there something we can do other then allowing the weak or unfortunate to simply follow their deadend choice to use hard drugs and the resultant choice to inflict violence on our population because of their drug use? Is giving up the ony option?
Drug abuse is behind most of the violent and property crime in this country. The question is; if we end the war on drugs do we do nothing or replace it with something we think might be more effective? This IS NOT simply abut those poor souls who by choice or by chance are hooked on drugs. It is about the couple million new users every year who can only become hooked on drugs because it is available and pushed onto them. What do we do to stop the 15 year old girl or boy who today isn't hooked on drugs but will be tomorrow? Do we do nothing? Kind of a let people make their own decisions and who are we to interfere. Can you really do that? I can't. Do we continue to spend billions perhaps exceeding a trillion every year to deal with the consequences of these drugs? We can no longer afford it. What about the children born to parents on drugs? We can see them everyday in the news; committing crimes, entering into prostitution, killing or being killed. Do we have any responsibility at all to stop this or are we content to simply spend a trillion on welfare every year to keep it going? If we agree that the war on drugs isn't perfectly successful what is your option and does it involve a white flag? Do you have children and if you do and one of them is killed tomorrow by a drug crazed robber is that simply the cost of a free society and burying our head in the sand. Perhaps you don't think it will happen to you or yours but it will certainly happen to someone. Everyday half a dozen kids and adults are killed in some drug fueled incident. Everyday children turn to prostitution to feed their newly acquired habit. Is the cost of being an ideological libertarian that we must allow these things to happen. Isn't there something we can do other then allowing the weak or unfortunate to simply follow their dead end choice to use hard drugs and the resultant choice to inflict violence on our population because of their drug use? Is giving up the only option?
Oops. It first responded that there was a serendipty error and when I tried again the post was duplicated... serendiptiously.
Is drug abuse more common in European countries without a war on drugs?
I think that avoids the issue. I am suggesting that I agree that the war on poverty has failed (at least the way we attempted it) but what then is our plan B? If we simply decriminalize it do we continue to spend billions to deal with the problems it creates? Hey if we simply stop wasting all the money AND end the war on poverty I just might go along with it. But I suspect everyone who is asking to end it wants to continue to spend untold billions dealing with it. Lets test all welfare recipients and if they test positive then they are off welfare forever. Let's end "treatment" since it doesn't work any better then the war on drugs did and simply let people stick needles in their arms till they overdose. Lets disband all the federal, state and local drug task forces and actually fire the people (again saving money). I am honestly thinking that you and others who want to stop the war on drugs are right but let's not do it by halves. So no war on drugs but if you used drugs you are forever unqualified for medical or welfare. This could cut the federal budget by about a trillion and cut the costs of medical by a couple hundred billion or so. Let's do it.
I voted for Nixon over JFK and detested Teddy and most Kennedys but the "Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger" tale is simply not true.
"In an exclusive excerpt from Last Call, his history of Prohibition, Daniel Okrent writes that long-held beliefs about Joe Kennedy’s bootlegging business are bunk." http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/04/26/the-kennedy-bootlegging-myth.html My father used to tell the story that he and a handful of other men were hired to off load cases of scotch from a small boat while standing waist deep in the ocean off a private beach in Marblehead. He swears this was Joe Kennedy's bootleg scotch. I don't know exactly when but it was during prohibition.
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